Ole Miss Tries To Stop 'Dixie' Chant

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This is ridiculous. The PC police are out in force. People need to quit being so sensitive.
 
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When we went down to play Ole Miss in '05 it was a great experience. I was amazed we won but I was more impressed with the "grove", the students all dresses up, and the southern traditions.

It was great to hear "from Dixie with love" and I didn't think anything of them chanting the "south will rise again" I highly doubt they really think the south will rise again. I took it as them just cheering for a southern team.

If that's considered racist.. The whole antebellum architecture in Oxford could be considered racist. They no longer have a mascot anymore, so when does the PC slippery slope ever end?

Could a volunteer be considered racist against Mexicans because they fought and took their land? I see a day when this is an issue. Sad to think about...
 
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I remember back in high school when we thought it was cool to have rebel flag license plates. When you mature, you start to understand that "heritage not hatred" doesn't fly.

In an extreme example, what if Germans started driving around with Swatstika license plates proclaiming that it was "heritage not hatred?" Or started dancing around to song's like "the 3rd Reich's Gonna Do It Again?" Or "What if Hitler Had Won the War?"

Now, I personally don't see the need for any sort of administration to try and end something like Dixie chants, and I don't support them doing so. At the same time, I scratch my head when I wonder why people would want to anyways because it's offensive to a hell of a lot of people.

Think about it, it's the promotion of a symbol that was used to keep blacks in their place at a time when that meant in the cottonfields or hanging from a tree. It doesn't matter whether or not that's the "true meaning" or what it means to you personally.
 
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Now, I personally don't see the need for any sort of administration to try and end something like Dixie chants, and I don't support them doing so. At the same time, I scratch my head when I wonder why people would want to anyways because it's offensive to a hell of a lot of people.

Think about it, it's the promotion of a symbol that was used to keep blacks in their place at a time when that meant in the cottonfields or hanging from a tree. It doesn't matter whether or not that's the "true meaning" or what it means to you personally.
yeah,i don't have a problem with the band playing dixie or whatever but it's a good decision that they decided to stop the confederate flag waving there.

you can fly the flag and be 100% not racist but no matter what you do or think personally it's gonna give off a "racisty" vibe
 
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I remember back in high school when we thought it was cool to have rebel flag license plates. When you mature, you start to understand that "heritage not hatred" doesn't fly.

In an extreme example, what if Germans started driving around with Swatstika license plates proclaiming that it was "heritage not hatred?" Or started dancing around to song's like "the 3rd Reich's Gonna Do It Again?" Or "What if Hitler Had Won the War?"

Now, I personally don't see the need for any sort of administration to try and end something like Dixie chants, and I don't support them doing so. At the same time, I scratch my head when I wonder why people would want to anyways because it's offensive to a hell of a lot of people.

Think about it, it's the promotion of a symbol that was used to keep blacks in their place at a time when that meant in the cottonfields or hanging from a tree. It doesn't matter whether or not that's the "true meaning" or what it means to you personally.


Ah, the old Confederacy-Nazi Germany comparison. As far as I know, the Confederacy never participated in the execution of millions of innocent people.

Besides, what is racist about the song "Dixie?"
 
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I remember back in high school when we thought it was cool to have rebel flag license plates. When you mature, you start to understand that "heritage not hatred" doesn't fly.

In an extreme example, what if Germans started driving around with Swatstika license plates proclaiming that it was "heritage not hatred?" Or started dancing around to song's like "the 3rd Reich's Gonna Do It Again?" Or "What if Hitler Had Won the War?"

Now, I personally don't see the need for any sort of administration to try and end something like Dixie chants, and I don't support them doing so. At the same time, I scratch my head when I wonder why people would want to anyways because it's offensive to a hell of a lot of people.

Think about it, it's the promotion of a symbol that was used to keep blacks in their place at a time when that meant in the cottonfields or hanging from a tree. It doesn't matter whether or not that's the "true meaning" or what it means to you personally.

I don't know where to begin with this post. Nazis tried to exterminate a race of people. The Confederacy fought for states rights. To compare the two is down right ludacris, and ignorant. The CSA didn't fight the war to keep slaves. If that's what you believe to be true, you need to read a history book.

Also, the Confederate battle flag was used strictly as a battle flag. It was later adopted by hate groups as a symbol of "white supremacy" which is complete BS. None of the flags used in the Civil War were used as hate symbols by the South.

Whoever thinks otherwise needs to read a history book.

Also, I could be mistaken, but I think the statement "The South will rise again" meant that after the war the South would rebound after being left in ruins by the Union Army.
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You don't have to go back to the civil war years to see the racism that is associated with South will rise again/Rebel/Confederacy mentality. Look at the uproar at Southern Universities, particularly Ole Miss, during integration issues. This might not have been the Rebel intentions 150 years ago, but it certainly was 50 years ago. I find the whole Confederate pride issue to be disgraceful and wish more people would just let it die.

An ESPN article about
ESPN - OTL: Ghosts of Mississippi - E-ticket
 
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I remember back in high school when we thought it was cool to have rebel flag license plates. When you mature, you start to understand that "heritage not hatred" doesn't fly.

In an extreme example, what if Germans started driving around with Swatstika license plates proclaiming that it was "heritage not hatred?" Or started dancing around to song's like "the 3rd Reich's Gonna Do It Again?" Or "What if Hitler Had Won the War?"

Now, I personally don't see the need for any sort of administration to try and end something like Dixie chants, and I don't support them doing so. At the same time, I scratch my head when I wonder why people would want to anyways because it's offensive to a hell of a lot of people.

Think about it, it's the promotion of a symbol that was used to keep blacks in their place at a time when that meant in the cottonfields or hanging from a tree. It doesn't matter whether or not that's the "true meaning" or what it means to you personally.

A few random points. I'll also add that I am a secessionist; if a group of people want to be free, they have that right. If they want to break away from their existing country and form a dictatorship, they have that right as well.

1) The overwhelming number of Germans that I have met carry a great deal of shame over the Third Reich, in spite of the fact that they are not Nazis and they weren't even alive when the war ended.

2) Germany has taken steps to outlaw symbols of the Nazi era; the "heil" salute is a federal crime (as one unlucky ex-NHLer found out a few years back), the swastika is illegal, and Holocaust denial is illegal.

3) Whereas the CSA was a confederation of secessionists who wished to split from the established country, Nazi Germany was headed by a group of aggressive expansionists who would slaughter thousands at the drop of a hat in the name of lebensraum. Then you start getting into the whole drang nach osten/westen stuff.

4) The United States government, and more specifically Woodrow Wilson, bears a great deal of responsibility for setting up WWII.

5) The American Revolution featured the following: A group of largely slave-owning secessionists who wished to remove their existing government fighting against a group of their overlords who were within a few years of emancipation within their own country.

Is it safe to say that the American flag is one of racism? The English promised emancipation to slaves who would fight with them against those perfidious secessionists, just as the Yanks would do less than 10 years later. The American flag is one carried into battle by secessionists who apparently wanted nothing more than to preserve slavery against a group that apparently wanted to outlaw it.

Obviously, only a damned fool would argue that the American Revolution was a war over slavery....but it's funny how modern history overlooks that aspect entirely while also overlooking everything that isn't related to slavery for the war that started in 1861.
 
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When we went down to play Ole Miss in '05 it was a great experience. I was amazed we won but I was more impressed with the "grove", the students all dresses up, and the southern traditions.

It was great to hear "from Dixie with love" and I didn't think anything of them chanting the "south will rise again" I highly doubt they really think the south will rise again. I took it as them just cheering for a southern team.

If that's considered racist.. The whole antebellum architecture in Oxford could be considered racist. They no longer have a mascot anymore, so when does the PC slippery slope ever end?

Could a volunteer be considered racist against Mexicans because they fought and took their land? I see a day when this is an issue. Sad to think about...

Nice post. PC is a tool of the ultra left. Ther aim to to do away with all regional cultures/traditions so people will be more apt to follow their agenda. This has been going on for the last 20-30 years now but it has never been more arrogant than now.
 
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I remember back in high school when we thought it was cool to have rebel flag license plates. When you mature, you start to understand that "heritage not hatred" doesn't fly.

In an extreme example, what if Germans started driving around with Swatstika license plates proclaiming that it was "heritage not hatred?" Or started dancing around to song's like "the 3rd Reich's Gonna Do It Again?" Or "What if Hitler Had Won the War?"

Now, I personally don't see the need for any sort of administration to try and end something like Dixie chants, and I don't support them doing so. At the same time, I scratch my head when I wonder why people would want to anyways because it's offensive to a hell of a lot of people.

Think about it, it's the promotion of a symbol that was used to keep blacks in their place at a time when that meant in the cottonfields or hanging from a tree. It doesn't matter whether or not that's the "true meaning" or what it means to you personally.

So the song "The South's Gonna do it Again" by the Charlie Daniels band is about race? My god I have heard it all now!
 
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You don't have to go back to the civil war years to see the racism that is associated with South will rise again/Rebel/Confederacy mentality. Look at the uproar at Southern Universities, particularly Ole Miss, during integration issues. This might not have been the Rebel intentions 150 years ago, but it certainly was 50 years ago. I find the whole Confederate pride issue to be disgraceful and wish more people would just let it die.

An ESPN article about
ESPN - OTL: Ghosts of Mississippi - E-ticket


So how far back is far back enough to not be important anymore? The USA has changed more in the last 50 years that it did in the previous 150.
We have the legacy of slavery to deal with, we all know that. However, to deny a region of the country the right to cherish their uniqueness is sheer despotism. This is the USA and the South is a unique region with unique traditions and customs. The war of 1861-1865 was a part of our history. There were many reasons the conflict occurred but it produces some amazing men that are considered heroes.
If there were chants that were directed toward black Americans I would disapprove but the issue at hand is one of the South and in particular the state of Mississippi's unique past.
 
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Just don't take Dixie away! It is one of the best if not the best fight song in all of college football. It is special even to the visitors when The Pride of the South plays it. If students yelling "the South will rise again" troubling to some, it's fine to ask fans to stop singing it. Everyone had a fit when the rebel flag went away and now the school is much better for it!

If you go to the game in two weeks, you MUST go visit the James Meredith statue. It is directly behind the famous Lyceum and not far from the stadium. I promise it will send chills down your spine! It will also remind you how far we have come. :clapping:
 
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You don't have to go back to the civil war years to see the racism that is associated with South will rise again/Rebel/Confederacy mentality.

The reason racism is associated with the South will rise again/Rebel/Confederacy mentality is because people are too ignorant to look at the true meaning of these things, and choose to look at what they're told the "meaning" of it is...
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The reason racism is associated with the South will rise again/Rebel/Confederacy mentality is because people are too ignorant to look at the true meaning of these things, and choose to look at what they're told the "meaning" of it is...
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Yeah, it wasn't about slavery, it was about 'state's rights', right?
There is definitely a reason all of that stuff you mentioned is linked to racism.

And by this post, I'm not saying anything against the chant mentioned in this thread. I don't know anything about it and I don't really feel like reading the article.
 
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Yeah, it wasn't about slavery, it was about 'state's rights', right?

yes, this is correct. the Civil War was also fought to keep the Union together after the Confederate states declared secession. Keep in mind that many northern states had slaves as well...


There is definitely a reason all of that stuff you mentioned is linked to racism.

And as I stated before, the reason people have negative views of the South, the Confederate battle flag, etc. is because of what happened during the 50's and 60's with the KKK, and currently with Neo-Nazi groups. They've attached themselves to the Confederate battle flag and used it as a symbol of hate, when the flag originated as a battle flag of a country who succeeded from the Union.
 
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yes, this is correct. the Civil War was also fought to keep the Union together after the Confederate states declared secession. Keep in mind that many northern states had slaves as well...
How many? Four states that gave them up without much of a complaint? The Civil War was fought because the south wanted to enslave black people. Any other reason and you are just trying to put a positive spin on an ugly issue.


And as I stated before, the reason people have negative views of the South, the Confederate battle flag, etc. is because of what happened during the 50's and 60's with the KKK, and currently with Neo-Nazi groups. They've attached themselves to the Confederate battle flag and used it as a symbol of hate, when the flag originated as a battle flag of a country who succeeded from the Union.
Succeeded? The flag stood for slavery. Without that issue, there was no secession. That is why people associate the flag with racism.
 
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yes, this is correct. the Civil War was also fought to keep the Union together after the Confederate states declared secession. Keep in mind that many northern states had slaves as well...




And as I stated before, the reason people have negative views of the South, the Confederate battle flag, etc. is because of what happened during the 50's and 60's with the KKK, and currently with Neo-Nazi groups. They've attached themselves to the Confederate battle flag and used it as a symbol of hate, when the flag originated as a battle flag of a country who succeeded from the Union.

Not singling your post out, but you hit on something that I was trying to point out in my original post.

My whole point was that it doesn't really matter what was the original intent of the rebel flag, or that Lincoln was as racist as anyone.

The point is that the symbol has taken on a life of it's own. It may not have been the historical intent of the meaning, but it still represents oppression to a large segment of Americans.

Seriously, how many of you arguing this are old enough to remember when Ole Miss chained the doors to keep out the blacks? Or when Medgar Evers was murdered in cold blood? Emmitt Till? Hell, Byron De La Beckwith spent the last twenty years before his conviction living just a mile away from me, and he sure flew the stars and bars proudly from his front porch, whistling Dixie at every opportunity.

The fact is that to a great segment of this country, it represents an evil in society that many lived through.

It may have been a hijacked symbol, but so was the Swastika. Using the fact that it's a historically inaccurate portrayal doesn't mean a whole lot to those who were forced to live through segregation- children having to watch their fathers swallow their pride when insulted because fighting back would've brought dire consequences. When being put in your place was an everyday part of life because of the color of the skin you were born with.

If everyone was so worried about the accurate portrayal of historical events, then who'd want to celebrate Christmas on December 25 since it wasn't likely the day Christ was actually born. It was symbolism adopted to represent his birth.

Now, the rebel flag or "the south's gonna do it again" may not be technically racist slogans on their own, but to the overwhelming majority of African Americans, that's what it represents.

I agree that PC is BS, hell, I'm a federalist myself. but what I'm saying is that I don't understand why people willingly adopt this because it's "ignorant" of recent history.

No, the south was not Nazi Germany, and I even said that was an extreme example. However, to deny the wrongdoings towards blacks in this region within many of our lifetimes is ridiculous.
 
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If you loose a war the winning side teaches the history as they see fit. The reasons for the War between the States has been clouded by slavery for far to long. Greed of the northern industrialist was the main reason for the Civil War, slavery abolition was the smoke and mirrors.

The Morrill Tariff of 1860
The Morrill Tariff act passed the United States House of Representatives by a strictly sectional vote during the first session of the 36th Congress on May 10, 1860. Virtually all of the northern representatives supported it and southern representatives opposed it. The tariff had been written for peacetime with the purpose of protecting of industrial manufacturing, located mostly in the northeast, from foreign competitor products.
In its first year of operation, the Morrill Tariff increased the effective rate collected on dutiable imports by approximately 70%.

The Morrill Tariff was met with intense hostility in Great Britain, where the free trade movement dominated public opinion. The new tariff schedule heavily penalized British iron, clothing, and manufactured exports with new taxes and sparked public outcry from many British politicians. The expectation of high rates probably caused British shippers to hasten their deliveries before the new rates took effect in the early summer of 1861. When complaints were heard from London, Congress counterattacked. The Senate Finance Committee chairman snapped, "What right has a foreign country to make any question about what we choose to do?"[7]

When the Civil War broke out in 1861, British public opinion was sympathetic to the Confederacy due to lingering agitation over the tariff. As one diplomatic historian has explained, the Morrill Tariff: [Johnson p 14]

"Not unnaturally gave great displeasure to England. It greatly lessened the profits of the American markets to English manufacturers and merchants, to a degree which caused serious mercantile distress in that country. Moreover, the British nation was then in the first flush of enthusiasm over free trade, and, under the lead of extremists like Cobden and Gladstone, was inclined to regard a protective tariff as essentially and intrinsically immoral, scarcely less so than larceny or murder. Indeed, the tariff was seriously regarded as comparable in offensiveness with slavery itself, and Englishmen were inclined to condemn the North for the one as much as the South for the other. "We do not like slavery," said Palmerston to Adams, "but we want cotton, and we dislike very much your Morrill tariff."

Many prominent British writers condemned the Morrill Tariff in the strongest terms. Economist William Stanley Jevons denounced it as a "retrograde" law. The well known novelist Charles Dickens used his magazine, All the Year Round, to attack the new tariff. On December 28, 1861 Dickens published a lengthy editorial, believed to be written by Henry Morley, in which he blamed the American Civil War on the Morrill Tariff:

If it be not slavery, where lies the partition of the interests that has led at last to actual separation of the Southern from the Northern States? …Every year, for some years back, this or that Southern state had declared that it would submit to this extortion only while it had not the strength for resistance. With the election of Lincoln and an exclusive Northern party taking over the federal government, the time for withdrawal had arrived … The conflict is between semi-independent communities [in which] every feeling and interest [in the South] calls for political partition, and every pocket interest [in the North] calls for union … So the case stands, and under all the passion of the parties and the cries of battle lie the two chief moving causes of the struggle. Union means so many millions a year lost to the South; secession means the loss of the same millions to the North. The love of money is the root of this, as of many other evils.… [T]he quarrel between the North and South is, as it stands, solely a fiscal quarrel.

Communist philosopher Karl Marx was among the few writers in Britain who took a favourable view of the Morrill Tariff. Marx wrote extensively in the British press and served as a London correspondent for several North American newspapers including Horace Greeley's New York Tribune. Marx reacted to those who blamed the war on Morrill's bill, arguing instead that slavery had induced secession and that the tariff was just a pretext. Marx wrote, in October 1861:

The Morrill Tariff and the Secession Movement:

The Morrill tariff was adopted against the backdrop of the secession movement, and provided an issue for secessionist agitation in some southern states.

The Morrill Tariff received considerable attention in the conventions of Georgia and South Carolina. On November 19, 1860 Senator Robert Toombs gave a speech to the Georgia convention in which he denounced the "infamous Morrill bill." The tariff legislation, he argued, was the product of a coalition between abolitionists and protectionists in which "the free-trade abolitionists became protectionists; the non-abolition protectionists became abolitionists." Toombs described this coalition as "the robber and the incendiary...united in joint raid against the South." Anti-tariff sentiments also appeared in Georgia's Secession Declaration of January 29, 1861, written in part by Toombs.

Robert Barnwell Rhett similarly railed against the then-pending Morrill Tariff before the South Carolina convention. Rhett included a lengthy attack on tariffs in the Address of South Carolina to Slaveholding States, which the convention adopted on December 25, 1860 to accompany its secession ordinance.

And so with the Southern States, towards the Northern States, in the vital matter of taxation. They are in a minority in Congress. Their representation in Congress, is useless to protect them against unjust taxation; and they are taxed by the people of the North for their benefit, exactly as the people of Great Britain taxed our ancestors in the British parliament for their benefit. For the last forty years, the taxes laid by the Congress of the United States have been laid with a view of subserving the interests of the North. The people of the South have been taxed by duties on imports, not for revenue, but for an object inconsistent with revenue— to promote, by prohibitions, Northern interests in the productions of their mines and manufactures.[13]
 
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Hate mongers continue to try and denigrate the South and wipe out what little southern culture and charm that's left. This is a case of Reverse racism pure and simple.
 
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Ah, the old Confederacy-Nazi Germany comparison. As far as I know, the Confederacy never participated in the execution of millions of innocent people.

No, but racist groups flying that same Confederate flag were responsible for murdering blacks who "didn't know their place".....but that's okay right?
 

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