Ole Miss Tries To Stop 'Dixie' Chant

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pantone151 said:
The reason racism is associated with the South will rise again/Rebel/Confederacy mentality is because people are too ignorant to look at the true meaning of these things, and choose to look at what they're told the "meaning" of it is...
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Just curious....

What do you think it means to an older generation of minorities who grew up in the South in the 40s thru the 60s?
 
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please, people need to grow up. this is a part of ole miss tradition.. why is it that we are just hearing about this now... this just shows you how much times have changed and that one lil move will get you in trouble. let ole miss be ole miss.. hell thats why they r called the rebels!!! THE SOUTH WILL RAISE AGAIN
 
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I'm not sure why Ole Miss would want to do this cheer. The phrase itself may not be offensive, but it will always be associated with an ugly period in history, and I'm not sure why people would want to be linked to that. It would be like German fans starting off every international soccer game chanting "Sieg Heil."
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Just curious....

What do you think it means to an older generation of minorities who grew up in the South in the 40s thru the 60s?
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There is no doubt that its incredibly offensive to them. I'd be shocked if they felt other wise. However, when people start saying things such as "the war was fought over slavery alone" or "there is no other meaning to the rebel flag than slavery and hatred".. Those are incorrect statements.

tvolsfan said:
I'm not sure why Ole Miss would want to do this cheer. The phrase itself may not be offensive, but it will always be associated with an ugly period in history, and I'm not sure why people would want to be linked to that. It would be like German fans starting off every international soccer game chanting "Sieg Heil."
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ask anyone who studies the Civil War, or who is a proud Southerner... I promise NONE of them want that stigma that surrounds their heritage, and pride. I'm proud to be from the South. I love studying the Civil War, and learning about the South during the 1800's, especially the Antebellum era. I am not proud that some white trash hillbillies took the Confederate battle flag and tied it to the hatred of another race, but that wont stop my affinity for the South, and all things Southern. I wont apologize for something I don't believe in, nor condone.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I'm not sure why Ole Miss would want to do this cheer. The phrase itself may not be offensive, but it will always be associated with an ugly period in history, and I'm not sure why people would want to be linked to that. It would be like German fans starting off every international soccer game chanting "Sieg Heil."
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Or saying the pledge of allegiance in front of American Indians.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Uh.. No? Unless the pledge somehow became linked to us driving the Natives out.
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I do not disagree that we would be better off without it. I would not have a rebel flag if they gave me one. But that's not the only flag with some heavy baggage.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
No, but racist groups flying that same Confederate flag were responsible for murdering blacks who "didn't know their place".....but that's okay right?
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Stop trying to put words in my mouth and, while you're at it, stop using inane comparisons between Nazi Germany and the Confederacy.
 
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jed said:
We did (and it does), I live beside the trail of tears
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Not really the same thing. Americans obviously did take Native land, but it isn't like that was the country stood for. They were just trying to expand. They acted in ways that certainly weren't considerate of Natives, but the country wasn't created for the purpose of driving out Natives. The Confederacy was created for the sole purpose of allowing whites to enslave Africans. You can argue that it was about 'states rights' but the only right that mattered was the right to enslave Africans.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Not really the same thing. Americans obviously did take Native land, but it isn't like that was the country stood for. They were just trying to expand. They acted in ways that certainly weren't considerate of Natives, but the country wasn't created for the purpose of driving out Natives. The Confederacy was created for the sole purpose of allowing whites to enslave Africans. You can argue that it was about 'states rights' but the only right that mattered was the right to enslave Africans.
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Seems like you're splitting hairs.
 
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Not really. I'm sure almost all countries have done stuff that may not be looked at as morally right. How many countries were created for the purpose of allowing themselves to do something immoral?
 
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Maybe Ole Miss fans are just trying to show pride when they say the south shall rise again. I doubt there is any racism or anything like that going on. However, people up here probably look at that phrase the same way they look at the Confederate flag.
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
Stop trying to put words in my mouth and, while you're at it, stop using inane comparisons between Nazi Germany and the Confederacy.
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Your words are your own. I'm just pointing out the flaws in them.

Blacks were killed by racist groups like the KKK who proudly flew the confederate flag. You can't deny this.
 
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Lawrence Wright said:
Your words are your own. I'm just pointing out the flaws in them.

Blacks were killed by racist groups like the KKK who proudly flew the confederate flag. You can't deny this.
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And I'm calling attention to the inherent absurdity of comparing Nazi Germany and the Confederacy.
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
And I'm calling attention to the inherent absurdity of comparing Nazi Germany and the Confederacy.
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Why is it so absurd? There was no genocide, but blacks were considered subhuman in the confederacy, and they weren't treated like people should be. The Confederacy may not have been as bad, but it wasn't something to be proud of.
 
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Not really the same thing. Americans obviously did take Native land, but it isn't like that was the country stood for. They were just trying to expand. They acted in ways that certainly weren't considerate of Natives, but the country wasn't created for the purpose of driving out Natives. The Confederacy was created for the sole purpose of allowing whites to enslave Africans. You can argue that it was about 'states rights' but the only right that mattered was the right to enslave Africans.
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Ignorance once more why don't you study somemore before you act as if you really knew what your talking about.

The confederacy was not created to allow whites to enslave Africans. A truly remarkable ignorant comment. The slaves of the 1860's were slaves for generations and considered themselves Americans even if enslaved not Africans.

Slavery nor discrimination was created by whites or Southerners. If you are a black person reading this and you want to find someone to blame for slavery, your African ancestors are where you will find the answers. Slave trade as root to African Crisis
Educate yourself before posting garbage about the Confederacy being about enslaving Africans.
 
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Next thing you know they will want to take the "woo" out of Rocky Top. Freakin libs.
 
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NashvilleUTVol said:
The confederacy was not created to allow whites to enslave Africans. A truly remarkable ignorant comment
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Yes it was. Slavery was absolutely the cause of the Civil War, no matter what positive spin you want to put on it. The South may have been full of good people practicing their rights at the time, but it was an immoral act and it needed to be stopped as soon as possible. You can argue that the Civil War was about protecting your state's rights, but the only right that mattered in that discussion was the right to own slaves.
 
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NashvilleUTVol said:
Ignorance once more why don't you study somemore before you act as if you really knew what your talking about.

The confederacy was not created to allow whites to enslave Africans. A truly remarkable ignorant comment. The slaves of the 1860's were slaves for generations and considered themselves Americans even if enslaved not Africans.

Slavery nor discrimination was created by whites or Southerners. If you are a black person reading this and you want to find someone to blame for slavery, your African ancestors are where you will find the answers. Slave trade as root to African Crisis
Educate yourself before posting garbage about the Confederacy being about enslaving Africans.
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I didn't say whites invented slavery. I'm saying the Confederacy was created to protect the right to enslave others. Big difference.
 
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