Ole Miss Tries To Stop 'Dixie' Chant

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I really don't want to get involved in this discussion, but I will offer one thing to think about. The USA gets an inordinate amount of grief concerning the Atlantic slave trade, and one would think that it was only the Americans that were involved in it. Fact is, North America accounted for less than 7% of all the slaves sold out of Africa. Care to guess where the majority went? Brazil. Over 1/3 of all slaves from Africa went to Brazil. I find it fascinating that Americans continue to rehash this years' old argument, and there is seemingly always a movement to make people feel guilty about things they were no part of. There was plenty of complicity on the other side of the Atlantic yet there never seems to be any blame placed there. (Go to Ghana or Senegal if you don't believe it). FWIW.
 
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I'm not saying southerners should all still feel bad, I'm just saying owning slaves was never morally okay and it is good the North put a stop to it.
 
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This is what I find amusing about the whole racism argument and bs. I live in the south and know of black families that support what the confederate flag stands for, which is not racism. I know some that have even flown them. What I have never seen though is a white girl in the black miss America pageant, or a white kid getting scholly money from the united negro college fund, etc., etc...................
 
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EVERY race in history has been enslaved at some point!!!!!! You don't hear the rest of the world whining all the time do you?
 
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Average cost a slave in 1860 $500. The average cost of an acre of land in Tennessee in 1860 was $10/ac for crop land and $1/ac for woodland.Most Southerners chose purchasing land over slaves and had large families to work the land.

In 1860 The median value of a farm was about $300. The 1870 annual report of the U.S. Dept. of Agriculture lists average prices in Tennessee as mule-$106, horse-$85, milk cow-$24, steer-$15, hog-$4.50, and sheep-$1.70.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I'm not saying southerners should all still feel bad, I'm just saying owning slaves was never morally okay and it is good the North put a stop to it.
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I agree with you. Absolutely.

I just tire of the Al Sharptons of the world continually trying to instill (primarily) white guilt in people that had nothing to do with events that occurred over 150 years ago. If anyone does a little research you can find out that it wasn't just the USA that had slaves. Oh, and I fly to Brazil a lot, and there is no "race" there called African-Brazillians. Again.. FWIW
 
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Why people talk about stuff like this on a football forum is beyond me. :-\

I wonder if Maury Povich has a forum to take all this gabbing to?
 
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Vols N Shocks said:
Why people talk about stuff like this on a football forum is beyond me. :-\

I wonder if Maury Povich has a forum to take all this gabbing to?
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Yeah I agree. Sorry if I insulted anyone, that was not my intent by a long shot.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I love how you point to a bad moment in history to make the fact that the south enslaved blacks for so many years not seem like a big deal. Nothing about that was okay.
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You asked me why I called the Nazi Germany-Confederacy comparison absurd. I am not saying slavery was anything but wrong, nor am I one of those people who will make the argument that slavery really wasn't such a bad thing for the enslaved. However, I will reiterate that comparing Nazi Germany to the Confederacy is absurd.

From what I have read, you discount the forced removal of Native Americans as not that bad. I would love to rea your justification of that period in American history.
 
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I'm not saying southerners should all still feel bad, I'm just saying owning slaves was never morally okay and it is good the North put a stop to it.
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As A southerner I don't feel bad nor have I nor will I ever feel bad about slavery, as I had nothing to do with owning slaves. It could be said that anyone that is American and a direct decedent of slaves or a slave owner should be proud of that heritage as It would be a shame to have a country without black folks.
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
You asked me why I called the Nazi Germany-Confederacy comparison absurd. I am not saying slavery was anything but wrong, nor am I one of those people who will make the argument that slavery really wasn't such a bad thing for the enslaved. However, I will reiterate that comparing Nazi Germany to the Confederacy is absurd.

From what I have read, you discount the forced removal of Native Americans as not that bad. I would love to rea your justification of that period in American history.
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It isn't what America was about. They were looking to improve themselves, and the Natives happened to be in the way. Every nation will have things they aren't proud of, but it wasn't what the country was about. The Confederacy was created so that slavery could continue, that's the difference. That is why people up here always look at the stars and bars with complete disdain.

And the comparison to Nazi Germany wasn't to say it is as bad as Germany was. I think I originally brought it up to say how a phrase of the past could always be associated with something awful, even if the phrase wasn't so bad. What do you think of when you hear the phrase, "Sieg Heil?" The phrase itself means nothing bad literally, but it will always be associated with something awful.
 
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tvolsfan said:
It isn't what America was about. They were looking to improve themselves, and the Natives happened to be in the way. Every nation will have things they aren't proud of, but it wasn't what the country was about. The Confederacy was created so that slavery could continue, that's the difference. That is why people up here always look at the stars and bars with complete disdain.
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Unfortunately I think it is much more than that. Take Iraq for instance. We were liberators. The image of those people trying to pull down the statue of Hussein, and our tank crew looking on.. until asked to help with that task... was a good thing.... until... they Iraquis decided we are now occupiers... We INVADED them. People are so fickle when it comes to these things. The love the USA when they need us, but when we are no longer a convenience.. we are evil. Personally I am sick of that attitude from the rest of the world. But really, it is focused mainly on our government. I heard a funny story the other day from a fellow pilot that was talking to a woman in Poland about how much better she thought Obama is than Bush. He asked her why, and got the usual mantra about him (Bush) being a war monger.. blah blah blah. He pointed out to her that it was Bush that was going to put into place a missile defense system that would protect her country from an overagressive Putin. Obama.. cancels the program and says basically "You are on your own" Yet they still love him.. Go figure.

Anyway. Back to football, and the gators still suck
 
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Vol_4_Life said:
You asked me why I called the Nazi Germany-Confederacy comparison absurd. I am not saying slavery was anything but wrong, nor am I one of those people who will make the argument that slavery really wasn't such a bad thing for the enslaved. However, I will reiterate that comparing Nazi Germany to the Confederacy is absurd.

From what I have read, you discount the forced removal of Native Americans as not that bad. I would love to rea your justification of that period in American history.
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Yes, but you took my original quote about the Nazi's completely out of context. I wasn't actually referring to the CSA when I made that comment, but to the lynch mobs, the Klan, and other organizations of the early-mid 1900's, who mostly acted under the banner of the Confederacy.

Had the KKK or such similar organization been in charge, then it's not a real stretch of the imagination to think that there would've been similar purges of non-Aryans.
 
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Let them sing Dixie and wave what flags they want. This weekend Ole Miss fans will be Defeated by the Vols and wake up Sunday morning being able to only see Orange and agonize with pounding of Rocky Top still in their heads.
 
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tvolsfan said:
It isn't what America was about. They were looking to improve themselves, and the Natives happened to be in the way. Every nation will have things they aren't proud of, but it wasn't what the country was about. The Confederacy was created so that slavery could continue, that's the difference. That is why people up here always look at the stars and bars with complete disdain.
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People up here look at the CSA with complete disdain because (for the most part) they're idiots who have absolutely no concept of history or willingness to actually do a little bit of research instead of bllindly accepting what's been force-fed by a pathetic educational system.
 
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Ohio Vol said:
People up here look at the CSA with complete disdain because (for the most part) they're idiots who have absolutely no concept of history or willingness to actually do a little bit of research instead of bllindly accepting what's been force-fed by a pathetic educational system.
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You're going too far. People aren't that uneducated. They see a bunch of racists who had no problem using slaves, simply because there were a lot of people like that in the South. Not all of them, but certainly a lot.
 
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You're going too far. People aren't that uneducated. They see a bunch of racists who had no problem using slaves, simply because there were a lot of people like that in the South. Not all of them, but certainly a lot.
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Again you are one sided in your untrue opinions on the matter. In that day and time most Americans no matter which side of the Mason/ Dixon viewed Indians, Blacks and Irish from what we today would call a racist mentality.

Each of those groups were treated badly and discriminated against, with Blacks having the most worth until the war ended. Native Americans,Blacks and Irish were at the bottom of the proverbial totem pole in both the North and the South. If anyone from one those groups remains at the bottom 150 years latter they have only themselves to blame at this point.
 
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NashvilleUTVol said:
Again you one sided in your untrue opinions on the matter. In that day and time most Americans no matter which side of the Mason/ Dixon viewed Indians, Blacks and Irish from what we today would call a racist mentality.
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Maybe so. Only certain people were okay with enslaving them.

Each of those groups were treated badly and discriminated against, with Blacks having the most worth until the war ended. Native Americans,Blacks and Irish were at the bottom of the totem pole in both the North and the South. If anyone from one those groups remains at the bottom 150 years latter they have only themselves to blame at this point.
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Don't really know what you're trying to say there.
 
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tvolsfan said:
Yes it was. Slavery was absolutely the cause of the Civil War, no matter what positive spin you want to put on it. The South may have been full of good people practicing their rights at the time, but it was an immoral act and it needed to be stopped as soon as possible. You can argue that the Civil War was about protecting your state's rights, but the only right that mattered in that discussion was the right to own slaves.
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If you really think this is true answer these 2 questions:

The Emancipation Proclamation was enacted in 1863. The war started in 1861. If it was SOLEY over slavery why didn't the EP happen at the outbreak of the war?

Also, then the Union got around to the EP it was only active in rebellious states. Why?

The answer is that the union had no interest in ending slavery in the south. They did have a platform to stop the proliferation of slavery.

Also, very few people actually owned slaves but many a poor southern boy fought and died under the rebel flag.
Is it possible that the flag and all the pro Southern chants are in praise of the poor Southerners that took up the call to defend their homes from a foreign invader?

At the end of the day you choose to be offended by this historic symbol or not. The choice is yours.
 
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