On Hopson's Last Shot

#151
#151
Point is. Last night proved that we did it right. Man I wish that Heyward hits that shot. Man oh man
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#153
SaintBruce said:
How? Both teams lost. If Scotty makes his free throw with 12 seconds left and Hayward makes his shot with 3 seconds left who has a better chance of winning?
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I see where your going. Your comparing 1/2(chances) to 2/2. You would need to compare Heyward's Heave to JPs Shot.and if they both go in, we both win.
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#155
#155
As a coach you want the first open shot from one of your better shooters regardless if it that comes with 12 seconds or 5 to 9 seconds. I, as a coach, could live with one of my best shooters getting a quality look a little late (5 seconds or whatever) than having a forced shot with more time on the clock.

You don't want to just jack up a crazy shot or settle for a long jumper too early just in case you miss.
 
#156
#156
Yeh, in the end. But, they(butler) executed their O and found a shot with around 13 seconds that they wanted, Duke jus got a hand on the pass. Hell of a game nonetheless, but man!, he almost hit that shot!! Damnit!
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#157
#157
Even though Butler lost - I think they did it right. They took the shot at about :05 left. If they had made it they likely win - Duke would've only had a hail mary attempt. As it was they were still able to foul Duke and then attempt their own desperation half court shot.

The way we did it, even if we took the lead with over :11 left, MSU had too much time left to set up for a game winner.
 
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OrangeUTopia said:
Even though Butler lost - I think they did it right. They took the shot at about :05 left. If they had made it they likely win - Duke would've only had a hail mary attempt. As it was they were still able to foul Duke and then attempt their own desperation half court shot.

The way we did it, even if we took the lead with over :11 left, MSU had too much time left to set up for a game winner.
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With a rolling clock? And the time it takes them to inbound and go likely allows us to get back and set up our D for a "game winning" stop. We can (and have) go back and forth all day ab this scenario and that 1, we didn't POORLY execute is the point.
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#159
#159
I originally thought you should wait for the last 6 seconds or so, but I've changed my position after watching games and thinking about it. I agree with taking the first open shot (i don't think Hopson's shot was that open for him to take it) and then you have to TRUST YOUR DEFENSE.
 
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lylsmorr said:
I love how pretty much every response in this thread has "Well, if you knew anything about basketball" or "ask any coach in the country". There's no right or wrong here. It might have helped to get to half court then call timeout, or it might have been better to get the ball then run with it in hopes of a prayer shot with no defense to contest it(i.e. Evan turner against Michigan).
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I like how the prevailing thought is that no one who knows anything about basketball would disagree with the op's stance - and then when there is a person that is paid to analyze the game that doesn't go along with it, they are wrong.
 
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#161
Unimane said:
I didn't hear Kellogg and he would be the first basketball person I've ever heard say this, if so.

The whole thing is that this is not an opinion,not in the sense that it is and either/or, 50-50 decision among basketball coaches. It's standard operating procedure. If Duke comes down and scores, the only people questioning the shot are a few fans, not basketball people. Did they question Maryland in the Sweet 16? Of course not, and I think Maryland was almost too late with their shot.

Like I said, and I'm not trying to be a d-bag on this statement, ask any coach, any one. They will tell you the same.
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I still don't agree. I've played basketball my whole life; at every level that I played, this was not the "standard operating procedure."

Clark Kellogg played in the NBA and obviously doesn't think it's "standard operating procedure."

We've debated this ad nauseam, but I'll just say I disagree that this is some unspoken basketball law that descended from the basketball gods as you act like it is.
 
#162
#162
I think we should all just agree to disagree on the way you should do it. Some coaches foul when up 3 (Butler/Mst), some don't. Neither coach is WRONG, different coaches do it different ways. Right?
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#163
#163
kev20 said:
I like how the prevailing thought is that no one who knows anything about basketball would disagree with the op's stance - and then when there is a person that is paid to analyze the game that doesn't go along with it, they are wrong.
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Touche Kev!!
 
#164
#164
kev20 said:
I like how the prevailing thought is that no one who knows anything about basketball would disagree with the op's stance - and then when there is a person that is paid to analyze the game that doesn't go along with it, they are wrong.
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Funny how that works.
 
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#165
LawVol13 said:
Funny how that works.
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Yes, probably the same as a prosecutor and a defender both having law degrees and practicing in the field of law, but disagreeing about the guilt/innocence of a defendent. Funny how that works.

Just as Bruce Pearl isn't perfect as a coach, neither is Kellogg as an analyst. Waiting to shoot the ball until 5 seconds to go is putting all your eggs in one basket. We prided ourselves in being a very good defensive team this year. I would much rather take our chances on defense with a one point lead than try to run the clock down, turning down a couple good shots and forcing a shot.
 
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#166
NYC Vol said:
Yes, probably the same as a prosecutor and a defender both having law degrees and practicing in the field of law, but disagreeing about the guilt/innocence of a defendent. Funny how that works.

Just as Bruce Pearl isn't perfect as a coach, neither is Kellogg as an analyst. Waiting to shoot the ball until 5 seconds to go is putting all your eggs in one basket. We prided ourselves in being a very good defensive team this year. I would much rather take our chances on defense with a one point lead than try to run the clock down, turning down a couple good shots and forcing a shot.
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Reading comprehension obviously isn't a strength of yours.

I'm not arguing that one way is right and one way is wrong. I'm simply arguing that the notion that every basketball person in America only adheres to Unimane's way is garbage. But nice try at the little legal jab there; too bad it doesn't work because you couldn't figure out what the argument is.
 
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