On Hopson's Last Shot

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SaintBruce said:
Actually it hasn't changed at all. When lawvol first mentioned this a couple days ago he said 5-8 seconds.
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Well, in the first page, he stated a "shot and a putback".

Regardless, my whole original point was to demonstrate that the philosophy behind Hopson's shot, at that time, was pretty standard. Jason Shay's interview yesterday stated the same thing in terms of the strategy. When down, you want to give yourself as much time and opportunity to win, which goes against the idea of winding the clock down for the last shot when losing.
 
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LawVol13 said:
Yes, but that has been glossed over multiple times by Unimane.
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No, I went back to the first page and it was time only for a shot and put back. The 5-9 seconds deal was added later and I addressed that, too. Anything else in another thread, I don't know.

Regardless, the point, again, was the strategy behind the Hopson shot and timing.
 
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Unimane said:
No, I went back to the first page and it was time only for a shot and put back. The 5-9 seconds deal was added later and I addressed that, too. Anything else in another thread, I don't know.

Regardless, the point, again, was the strategy behind the Hopson shot and timing.
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When this was discussed in the other thread, which you directed this thread at, I clearly stated that the shot should be taken between 5-9 seconds left.
 
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Unimane said:
No, I went back to the first page and it was time only for a shot and put back. The 5-9 seconds deal was added later.
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This quote is from a different thread and it was posted about 8 hours before you ever created this thread. Just sayin....
LawVol13 said:
Yea, I think you take a shot at a point that allows you to possibly rebound and get a putback. But that's probably taking the shot with about 5 seconds to go, not 12.
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Unimane said:
No, I went back to the first page and it was time only for a shot and put back. The 5-9 seconds deal was added later and I addressed that, too. Anything else in another thread, I don't know.

Regardless, the point, again, was the strategy behind the Hopson shot and timing.
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I will still say while he had an open shot, it's not a good shot because as I mentioned if he is a step inside the three, it's not a good shot.

Mid range shots have the lowest PPP and if you are that far out shoot a three.

With 12 seconds left I would have like to have seen him or JP attack the rim, but Hopson settled for a long jump shot with lots of time left instead of attacking for a closer look.

Pure speculation, but I think if Hopson was confident and wasn't afraid to go to the free throw line he would look to attack instead of settle for a long jump shot... meaning he settled for the jumper so he wouldn't get fouled even though he did get fouled in the end.

He looked very, very uncomfortable at the line.
 
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JZVOL said:
I will still say while he had an open shot, it's not a good shot because as I mentioned if he is a step inside the three, it's not a good shot.

Mid range shots have the lowest PPP and if you are that far out shoot a three.

With 12 seconds left I would have like to have seen him or JP attack the rim, but Hopson settled for a long jump shot with lots of time left instead of attacking for a closer look.

Pure speculation, but I think if Hopson was confident and wasn't afraid to go to the free throw line he would look to attack instead of settle for a long jump shot... meaning he settled for the jumper so he wouldn't get fouled even though he did get fouled in the end.

He looked very, very uncomfortable at the line.
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Well, the look was about the same length as the Florida shot.

I agree that he looked petrified on the line. Bobby was a picture of confidence Friday night, total opposite.
 
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Unimane said:
Well, the look was about the same length as the Florida shot.

I agree that he looked petrified on the line. Bobby was a picture of confidence Friday night, total opposite.
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Oh I know and really that's a bad shot. If you are that far out it needs to be a three.

The clock situation is splitting hairs to a degree when we are talking about seconds, I think they had time with 12 seconds to attack instead of settling for a long jump shot. I guess that is really my only issue.
 
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Unimane said:
Yes, they do. They do it all the time. Michigan State did it against Maryland as did Maryland on the next possession, Ohio State did it against us, all teams do it.

Let me put it clearly for those who don't understand basketball:

You do not hold the ball for the last shot when you are losing by one point. .

Go listen to the interview with Jason Shay. Listen to any coach. You take the first good look, try to score and play defense with the lead. The worst case scenario is that you miss the shot and have to foul, they hit two free throws and you get a second opportunity to extend/win the game.

Every coach in the world will tell you two is better than one, or that they would much prefer to play defense with the lead than hope to hit a last second shot to win in that scenario.

So, which "idiots" use this philosophy? Every idiot. Even church league idiots.
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Unfortunately, the outcome of the game destroys your argument. We take the shot at 12 seconds and MSU wins the game because we gave them the time to get a good shot. I don't think 1.6 seconds is what any coach in any league is looking for to take the ball the length of the court for a last shot to win the game. Get real--look at the outcome of the game and finally realize your argument makes absolutely no sense and no coach in the world would advocate for such an ending. Even a small child playing basketball knows better than that.
 
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at govolsxtra.com there is a news posting about whether brian williams will be the new leader of the team, etc. In that thread it talks about the lineup and who to expect for each position, and it says...

"and Scotty Hopson, provided he returns for his junior season..."

Whats that about?
 
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BasketvolsFan said:
Unfortunately, the outcome of the game destroys your argument. We take the shot at 12 seconds and MSU wins the game because we gave them the time to get a good shot. I don't think 1.6 seconds is what any coach in any league is looking for to take the ball the length of the court for a last shot to win the game. Get real--look at the outcome of the game and finally realize your argument makes absolutely no sense and no coach in the world would advocate for such an ending. Even a small child playing basketball knows better than that.
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No, the argument is the same one used by UT coaches and by nearly every other coach in the business. The idea is that, if Hopson misses, you foul immediately. Therefore, even if MSU hits their free throws, you have another possession in order to win the game, at worst, in overtime. Two possessions is better than one.

The outcome was not a result of this strategy. It was the result of a missed free throw and the inability to set up a defense as a result. Even then, MSU didn't get a great look because JP and Brian were there, but JP went to his feet, unnecessarily.

Your statement that no coach in the world uses this philosophy is patently false. In fact, it is widely accepted. Ask a coach, I have. A few, actually.
 
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oklavol said:
I think he should have worked for a better shot, there was a time. Wasn't a high percentage shot. I thought Prince or Chism had the hotter hand, and should have got the shot.
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Imagine the meltdown if Scotty passes on the look that WAS CLEARLY A QUALITY LOOK, and they close out, deny the perimeter, he panics, and has to a) throw up a shot now with no momentum/dribble and defenders doing what we call "BALL!! BALL!! BALL!! Or B) wait for someone to come get it, all the while being denied and hope they can create in the remaining eh, 6 seconds. It didn't work, but he had the look, and he took it. We should be happy he wanted to shoot it. Could another choice worked better? Possibly. Well never know. But what we will know is he's at least aggressive enough to shoot for the dagger when given the chance. Win some, lose some. There's plenty of blame to go around if that's how its gonna go.
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If it was such a quality look then why did he miss it? It wasn't an open shot, otherwise he wouldn't have got fouled shooting. The way that game was being called, he's fortunate he got the foul call. It's not hard to find people to take that shot either, it's hard finding people who make it.

I think on the previous posession JP worked his way in for a short bank shot. More of that was what I was wanting to see.
 
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5 big areas that Scotty needs to work on this off-season.

1. FT SHOOTING
2. BALLHANDLING
3. DEFENSE
4. COURT AWARENESS
5. DECISION MAKING

Other than those he's pretty good! :p
 
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oklavol said:
If it was such a quality look then why did he miss it? It wasn't an open shot, otherwise he wouldn't have got fouled shooting. The way that game was being called, he's fortunate he got the foul call. It's not hard to find people to take that shot either, it's hard finding people who make it.

I think on the previous posession JP worked his way in for a short bank shot. More of that was what I was wanting to see.
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This is exactly right. If it wasn't contested, then how was there a foul called?

Your other point is also right on the money; you drive the ball to the rim in that situation. One, it's probably an easier shot to make, and two, it gives us a really good shot at a putback.
 
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Unimane said:
No, the argument is the same one used by UT coaches and by nearly every other coach in the business. The idea is that, if Hopson misses, you foul immediately. Therefore, even if MSU hits their free throws, you have another possession in order to win the game, at worst, in overtime. Two possessions is better than one.

The outcome was not a result of this strategy. It was the result of a missed free throw and the inability to set up a defense as a result. Even then, MSU didn't get a great look because JP and Brian were there, but JP went to his feet, unnecessarily.

Your statement that no coach in the world uses this philosophy is patently false. In fact, it is widely accepted. Ask a coach, I have. A few, actually.
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Your argument works perfectly if there is 18-20 seconds left on the clock, not with 12 seconds left.
 
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