Only program with 6plus national titles in 2 sports?

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bamasucks76 said:
I know!! Consensus means majoity agreed! If all polls and all selectors agreed then it would be undisputed not consensus! That is not what you asked! You are contradicting yourself!
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No, it does not mean that. In this case, "consensus" means that a consenus has agreed on the validity of the poll. So a consensus champion is one who was awarded the title of a consensus selector.

For instance: Alabama was the national champion of the AP, UPI, and NFF in 1961. Ohio State was selected by the FWAA. Both Alabama and Ohio State are consensus national champions for 1961.
 
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bamawriter said:
No, it does not mean that. In this case, "consensus" means that a consenus has agreed on the validity of the poll. So a consensus champion is one who was awarded the title of a consensus selector.

For instance: Alabama was the national champion of the AP, UPI, and NFF in 1961. Ohio State was selected by the FWAA. Both Alabama and Ohio State are consensus national champions for 1961.
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Oh ok....once again you contradict yourself.....we wanna use those standards for NC's. That means UT has more than 2 then right...........or are we using a different one for us!!!!

That is why I and the other poster compared NC's using the same standards. You keep changing around.....BUCKFAMA and BLOWTIDEBLOW!!!

YOU DONT HAVE 13 NC's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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bamasucks76 said:
Oh ok....once again you contradict yourself.....we wanna use those standards for NC's. That means UT has more than 2 then right...........or are we using a different one for us!!!!

That is why I and the other poster compared NC's using the same standards. You keep changing around.....BUCKFAMA and BLOWTIDEBLOW!!!

YOU DONT HAVE 13 NC's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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How is he contradicting himself? Seems he has been pretty clear.
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Can we let this thread die. I didnt realize that it what going to turn into an exercise in stupidity. No, college baseball does not make more money than women's basketball. No, Ice hockey is not more competitive than womens basketball. No, Tennessee's national title claims are not less valid than anyone elses. End of thread.
 
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bamasucks76 said:
Oh ok....once again you contradict yourself.....we wanna use those standards for NC's. That means UT has more than 2 then right...........or are we using a different one for us!!!!

That is why I and the other poster compared NC's using the same standards. You keep changing around.....BUCKFAMA and BLOWTIDEBLOW!!!

YOU DONT HAVE 13 NC's!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I have laid out different results for different standards. I'm fine with using whatever standard you want to use, as long as that standard is applied evenly. There is no standard by which Alabama can have 8 titles and Tennessee 6. There is no standard by which Alabama can have 7 titles and Tennessee 2.

If you only want to use consensus or wire service titles, then Tennessee has 2 ('51, '98) and Bama has 8 ('61, '64, '65, '73, '78,' 79, '92, '09).

If you feel like Tennessee deserved '38 and '40, then the criteria that would allow that would add in Bama's claims to '25, '26, '30, and '34. So that takes Bama to 12 and Tennessee to 4

If you want to stretch the requirements out really far and add in Tennessee's claims to 1950 and 1967, then it would only be equitable to give Bama '66, '75, and '77 (we don't claim any of these), as they met every criteria that UT met. So that would put Alabama at 15 and Tennessee at 6.

Again, I'm not crapping on any of Tennessee claims (except for '67, which is totally ridiculous). I'm simply asking that you decide what standard you want to go with and stick with it.
 
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iambruce said:
Can we let this thread die. I didnt realize that it what going to turn into an exercise in stupidity. No, college baseball does not make more money than women's basketball. No, Ice hockey is not more competitive than womens basketball. No, Tennessee's national title claims are not less valid than anyone elses. End of thread.
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I'd be willing to bet baseball makes more than women's basketball at a lot of institutions, especially in the SEC.
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bamawriter said:
I have laid out different results for different standards. I'm fine with using whatever standard you want to use, as long as that standard is applied evenly. There is no standard by which Alabama can have 8 titles and Tennessee 6. There is no standard by which Alabama can have 7 titles and Tennessee 2.

If you only want to use consensus or wire service titles, then Tennessee has 2 ('51, '98) and Bama has 8 ('61, '64, '65, '73, '78,' 79, '92, '09).

If you feel like Tennessee deserved '38 and '40, then the criteria that would allow that would add in Bama's claims to '25, '26, '30, and '34. So that takes Bama to 12 and Tennessee to 4

If you want to stretch the requirements out really far and add in Tennessee's claims to 1950 and 1967, then it would only be equitable to give Bama '66, '75, and '77 (we don't claim any of these), as they met every criteria that UT met. So that would put Alabama at 15 and Tennessee at 6.

Again, I'm not crapping on any of Tennessee claims (except for '67, which is totally ridiculous). I'm simply asking that you decide what standard you want to go with and stick with it.
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shane, stop it. You arent making any sense.
 
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iambruce said:
Can we let this thread die. I didnt realize that it what going to turn into an exercise in stupidity. No, college baseball does not make more money than women's basketball. No, Ice hockey is not more competitive than womens basketball. No, Tennessee's national title claims are not less valid than anyone elses. End of thread.
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Actually, Shane, you're wrong. Go to this link and jump to page 36:

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/REV_EXP_2010.pdf

According to this, the median generated revenue for all baseball programs in 2009 was $297,000. The same number for women's basketball was $278,000. Given that the median expenses for the two sports were $1.147 million and $2.040 million, respectively, that means that the average school lost $605,000 on baseball, and $1.279 million on women's basketball.

So, according to the NCAA, baseball is a higher revenue generator than women's basketball on a per capita basis.

In fact, men's ice hockey generates more total and net revenue than women's basketball.
 
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bamawriter said:
Actually, Shane, you're wrong. Go to this link and jump to page 36:

http://www.ncaapublications.com/productdownloads/REV_EXP_2010.pdf

According to this, the median generated revenue for all baseball programs in 2009 was $297,000. The same number for women's basketball was $278,000. Given that the median expenses for the two sports were $1.147 million and $2.040 million, respectively, that means that the average school lost $605,000 on baseball, and $1.279 million on women's basketball.

So, according to the NCAA, baseball is a higher revenue generator than women's basketball on a per capita basis.

In fact, men's ice hockey generates more total and net revenue than women's basketball.
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C'mon, man, why are you trying to use facts? That's just going to end the whole discussion.
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iambruce said:
repeat after me. TELEVISION CONTRACT.
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Dealing just with the SEC, I know that the huge deal the conference signed with ESPN included showing some women's basketball games.

Do you have some sort of report that shows how much of the 3 billion was meant to buy the rights to SEC women's basketball?
 
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#140
I don't think anyone has any problem with colleges having women's basketball. No problem with it being played. No problem with people going to watch. No problem with celebrating when they win.

It is nonetheless very annoying when it is shoved in our faces and we are told that we must respect it as quality sports, good entertainment, or the equivalent of men's basketball. We just don't believe that and the charade of putting it on tv as though it were all of that just amps up the annoyance factor that much more.
 
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