Only program with 6plus national titles in 2 sports?

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Come on man, I didnt say they were. I said seven, then add last years, so 8. Point is its not 14 or even close! He said 12 like '41 is the only bad one. Its not, its just the most ridiculous!
 
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bamasucks76 said:
Come on man, I didnt say they were. I said seven, then add last years, so 8. Point is its not 14 or even close! He said 12 like '41 is the only bad one. Its not, its just the most ridiculous!
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The blog you cited is beyond biased. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Bama's claims in '25, '26, '30 and '34.

Any standard by which Bama only has 8 legit titles would leave Tennessee with 2.
 
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Those first four titles claimed by Alabama are fine. They might not have been the best team, but they had a good case every time. Some power rating systems actually show Tennessee, which lost 18-6 to Alabama for its only loss, as the second-best team in the nation in 1930.

One of those years, I think it was '25, Stanford was being acclaimed in the media as the national champion after an unbeaten regular season. They invited undefeated Alabama as their Rose Bowl opponent (that's how it worked at the time). Alabama went out to California and tied them, and then claimed it was national co-champion. Can't really argue the point.

For Alabama to claim 1941 is an embarrassment. And the rating system that rated them No. 1 for that season (Houlgate) should be embarrassed, too. I don't really think much of Alabama's 1964 and 1973 titles, where they lost their bowl, either. But if they wanted, they have a good case for claiming 1945, 1966 and 1977--and there are selectors that do have Alabama rated No. 1 in '66 and '77, at least.

There are at least eight seasons where at least one system had Tennessee as No. 1--1914, 1938, 1940, 1950, 1951, 1956, 1967 and 1998. I believe in 1938, 1950 and 1998, they really were the best team. The 1914 perfect season was the equivalent of a Boise State undefeated season today. The other four all lost in bowl games.
 
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Remember that the bowl games were considered meaningless exhibitions until the AP permanently changed their final poll until after the bowls. Notre Dame refused to accept bowl invites, and the Big 10 didn't allow the same team to go the Rose Bowl two years in a row, even if that team won the conference outright.

Dismissing any claim to a national championship because the team lost its bowl is placing today's standards on games played 40 years ago or more. It doesn't account for the state of affairs at that time.
 
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bamasucks76 said:
Ha!! Far from it!!!

They have seven legit titles no where near twelve "not to shabby ones"!
How in the world did they ever decide to do this. Shows what they are. We have 4 legit ones, but we could claim like 14 if we wanted.

Read this, mmmkay, bamer is a joke!!!!!!!!
12 National Championships For Bama? Let's Take A Closer Look - Track Em Tigers



It is very different, we have two questionable ones they have six. Most have a few questionable ones, but bamer just shows how ridiculous they are! 1941 is the craziest but they have plenty of CRAZY ones!!!!!!
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You said they have plenty of crazy ones...which ones would those be?
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bamawriter said:
The blog you cited is beyond biased. There is absolutely nothing wrong with Bama's claims in '25, '26, '30 and '34.

Any standard by which Bama only has 8 legit titles would leave Tennessee with 2.
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If there is nothing wrong with those years, then we have 4 or 6 depending on what you want to go by. You cant use one set of rules for UT and another for the gaytide! Blog is biased, but doesnt change the info, its all facts!

If you claim any and everything, then bamer has about 25 and we have 14. If you use only unquestionable ones then bamer has 7 and we have 4. If you use only the reasonable ones, bamer has 8 and we have 6.
 
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DarthVisor said:
That link is a reliable source.
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Yes, he only posted facts!

There are about 12 or 14 seasons where at least one selector or service had UT number one or national champions. Bamer just went back and claimed some of theirs and some they didnt.

cfbdatawarehouse.com has some but not all the selectors and years where multiple teams could claim championships.
 
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bamasucks76 said:
If there is nothing wrong with those years, then we have 4 or 6 depending on what you want to go by. You cant use one set of rules for UT and another for the gaytide! Blog is biased, but doesnt change the info, its all facts!

If you claim any and everything, then bamer has about 25 and we have 14. If you use only unquestionable ones then bamer has 7 and we have 4. If you use only the reasonable ones, bamer has 8 and we have 6.
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Your post is totally irrational. Either you use a definite standard for everyone, or you don't. Personally, I don't care what you claim prior to 1936, as the wire service polls didn't exist. But after that point you should probably only count consensus titles. That would leave Bama with 12, and Tennessee with 2. Frankly, I'd listen to great arguments for Tennessee's claims in '38 and '50, as the AP hadn't finalized it's process and the Coaches' poll didn't exist (1940 pushes it too far). That still only leaves Tennessee with 4.

But if you don't like the subjective standards that dictated those before 1936 or '51, then only go with the consensus championships, which would leave Bama with 8 and Tennessee with 2.

Pick a standard and stay with it.

The blog you cited puts a very exacting standard on Bama's titles, and it leaves off some very important facts, which makes it quite biased. If you put those same standards on Tennessee's claims, it would leave Tennessee with 2, and a biased author who wanted to leave out important facts could dismiss UT's 1951 championship as well.
 
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bamawriter said:
Your post is totally irrational. Either you use a definite standard for everyone, or you don't. Personally, I don't care what you claim prior to 1936, as the wire service polls didn't exist. But after that point you should probably only count consensus titles. That would leave Bama with 12, and Tennessee with 2. Frankly, I'd listen to great arguments for Tennessee's claims in '38 and '50, as the AP hadn't finalized it's process and the Coaches' poll didn't exist (1940 pushes it too far). That still only leaves Tennessee with 4.

But if you don't like the subjective standards that dictated those before 1936 or '51, then only go with the consensus championships, which would leave Bama with 8 and Tennessee with 2.

Pick a standard and stay with it.

The blog you cited puts a very exacting standard on Bama's titles, and it leaves off some very important facts, which makes it quite biased. If you put those same standards on Tennessee's claims, it would leave Tennessee with 2, and a biased author who wanted to leave out important facts could dismiss UT's 1951 championship as well.
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GEEZ!.....WOW!!

Pot calling the kettle black! Thats exactly what I just said! Use the same standards!! For example, you said there is nothing wrong with those championships in the '20s (for bamer) but now you "dont care what YOU claim prior '36."
If you use the standards you use to give UT two titles then bamer does not have 12 or 8. It would be 7 for the gaytide and 4 for UT. Using the same standards that give bamer 8 means UT has 6!

Its unreal that bamers can question UT's 6 titles and then defend 14 titles!!!!!!
 
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bamasucks76 said:
Yes, he only posted facts!

There are about 12 or 14 seasons where at least one selector or service had UT number one or national champions. Bamer just went back and claimed some of theirs and some they didnt.

cfbdatawarehouse.com has some but not all the selectors and years where multiple teams could claim championships.
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How many consensus national titles does Bama have?
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bamasucks76 said:
GEEZ!.....WOW!!

Pot calling the kettle black! Thats exactly what I just said! Use the same standards!! For example, you said there is nothing wrong with those championships in the '20s (for bamer) but now you "dont care what YOU claim prior '36."
If you use the standards you use to give UT two titles then bamer does not have 12 or 8. It would be 7 for the gaytide and 4 for UT. Using the same standards that give bamer 8 means UT has 6!

Its unreal that bamers can question UT's 6 titles and then defend 14 titles!!!!!!
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How would it be 7-2 as opposed to 8-2? Bama has 8 consensus titles awarded by either the AP or Coaches' polls (61, 64, 65, 73, 78, 79, 92, 09). UT has 2 (51, 98). So I see no way that Tennessee can have more than 2, and Bama be limited to 7. Even further, I see no way that you could limit Bama's claims to 8 and still accept Tennessee's claims to 6; I need you to explain that one to me.

And Bama does not claim 14 titles, we claim 13. But I've acknowledged many times that 1941 is an awful claim. However, Bama has 4 other seasons when at least one selector picked Alabama, but we don't claim the title. So that means Bama could claim 17, but we claim 13, and have 8 consensus titles. Using the same math: Tennessee could claim 7, does claim 6, and has 2 consensus titles.
 
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DarthVisor said:
How many consensus national titles does Bama have?
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4 and UT 2

My point is that 14 is ridiculous, and its even more ridiculous to claim other team's NC's are bogus while they claim so many BS ones!

Going by what most would consider reasonable, UT has 6 and the gaytide has 8!
 
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bamasucks76 said:
4 and UT 2

My point is that 14 is ridiculous, and its even more ridiculous to claim other team's NC's are bogus while they claim so many BS ones!

Going by what most would consider reasonable, UT has 6 and the gaytide has 8!
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Do you even know what "consensus title" means?
 
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bamawriter said:
How would it be 7-2 as opposed to 8-2? Bama has 8 consensus titles awarded by either the AP or Coaches' polls (61, 64, 65, 73, 78, 79, 92, 09). UT has 2 (51, 98). So I see no way that Tennessee can have more than 2, and Bama be limited to 7. Even further, I see no way that you could limit Bama's claims to 8 and still accept Tennessee's claims to 6; I need you to explain that one to me.

And Bama does not claim 14 titles, we claim 13. But I've acknowledged many times that 1941 is an awful claim. However, Bama has 4 other seasons when at least one selector picked Alabama, but we don't claim the title. So that means Bama could claim 17, but we claim 13, and have 8 consensus titles. Using the same math: Tennessee could claim 7, does claim 6, and has 2 consensus titles.
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In '65 AP and UPI split between bamer and Michigan State ( cant remember who got what), so no consensus!

In '73 Notre Dame is crowned NC by AP, bamer gets UPI, so not consensus!

In '78 bamer gets AP and USC UPI, so not consensus!


If you wanna cout 1964 fine, that makes 5 consensus, but still not 8!

And by the way...you ever seen a banner saying 8 NC's (as you claim)...nope, but Ive seen UT banners with only 2! At least that would be better than 13. They make the case to add the others but then say UT cant have 6!
 
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bamasucks76 said:
In '65 AP and UPI split between bamer and Michigan State ( cant remember who got what), so no consensus!

In '73 Notre Dame is crowned NC by AP, bamer gets UPI, so not consensus!

In '78 bamer gets AP and USC UPI, so not consensus!


If you wanna cout 1964 fine, that makes 5 consensus, but still not 8!
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"Consensus" does not mean that every poll agreed. It means that the NCAA Record Book acknowledges the selector. Consensus titles have only been acknowledged since 1950, and those selectors are the AP, The Coaches Poll (UPI or USA Today), the FWAA, and the National Football Foundation.
 
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If you go by an independent source, here's how it plays out:

Total National Titles (as picked by any selector): Bama - 26, Tenn - 14

Total National Titles after 1936 (any selector, note Bama had a few minor selectors award them the 1936 title and it is not in this total): Bama - 21, Tenn - 11

Recognized National Titles (Total): Bama - 12, Tenn - 4

Recognized National Titles (post 1936): Bama - 8, Tenn - 4
 
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bamawriter said:
"Consensus" does not mean that every poll agreed. It means that the NCAA Record Book acknowledges the selector. Consensus titles have only been acknowledged since 1950, and those selectors are the AP, The Coaches Poll (UPI or USA Today), the FWAA, and the National Football Foundation.
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I know!! Consensus means majoity agreed! If all polls and all selectors agreed then it would be undisputed not consensus! That is not what you asked! You are contradicting yourself!
 
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First&Tenn said:
If you go by an independent source, here's how it plays out:

Total National Titles (as picked by any selector): Bama - 26, Tenn - 14

Total National Titles after 1936 (any selector, note Bama had a few minor selectors award them the 1936 title and it is not in this total): Bama - 21, Tenn - 11

Recognized National Titles (Total): Bama - 12, Tenn - 4

Recognized National Titles (post 1936): Bama - 8, Tenn - 4
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Thank you!

Its so relative.... bamer just decided they wanted to claim more!
 
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