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I think most State fans reasons for hope are 1. UT hanging 50+ on an FCS team and still being mediocre is a thing.
But they didn't look great. A lot of us had serious concerns after that game. It looked honestly a lot like your game vs WCU. The Vols led 13-6 at the half. APSU was competitive and in the game. It was 23-13 until UT scored a final TD with about a minute left. The debate here over Milton got even more heated. He missed numerous opportunities to make big plays... unlike Nico on Saturday. The fan response was similar to yours- as if the Vols had actually lost.2. UT looked great week 1 last year too and followed that up with a squeaker against Austin Peay and loss to UF.
Very possible. That's one of the risks with the portal. The pieces may not fit as well as you hope.3. We hope our rustiness was due to multiple transfers and looking ahead to week 2.
Those other guys may come along. Concepcion is a good WR. Just based on the WRs UT faces week in, week out vs the SEC... I think he'll get attention but not overly so. WCU's formula was pretty good with inferior players. Concepcion got his numbers. Waters got his numbers. No one else really showed they could hurt them.As far as personnel, offense, we are still getting to know them. Qb, 2 of top 3 rb, 2 of top 4 wr, te, and C are all transfers. The one offensive weapon we had last year is back, slot WR Kevin Concepcion. He'll catch passes down the field, take handoffs, reverses, screens etc. 120 yards of offense and 2 tds is par for the course for him. Your dc is going to key off of him this week. Our hope is that the wrs, te, and rbs State picked up will take some pressure off of him. After one game, that doesnt appear to be the case...120 yards and 3 tds on thursday.
If the Pack can hold UT to under 200 rushing then it gets really interesting. Because of tempo and a lot of big plays in the passing game many think that it is a pass oriented O. It isn't. UT builds everything off the run. They want to tie up the back 7 trying to stop the run then find open spaces in the passing game. That also has a tendency to limit exotic coverages.Defense: state fans typically expect a top 4 acc defense every year. Tony Gibson 3-3-5 has been here since 2019 and for most of those years, hes had high level linebacker play, with multiple all acc selections and culminating in a acc dpoy/bednarik/butkus winner in Payton Wilson last year. We're not sure if we have anywhere close to that production this season but our heir apparent(Fordham) dropped a pic 6, recorded a tackle, and got ejected all in 5 plays on Thursday. From most accounts, most of the transfer NIL was spent on the 2ndary and that is seen as the strength of the defense at the moment.
The biggest concern I have, outside of limiting Concepcion’s yard’s & touches, is making sure their TE is covered. This was the one area UTC had a little success in against our defense.The one area that Tennessee can get beat at is the secondary. Especially if NC State can convert 3rd and longs and stay on the field. Every team that has given us trouble has done that. I did not see enough from NC State's passing game to be worried to be frank. However, it could very well be that NC State hid their playbook against and inferior opponent or your team had a bad game. It happens.
Depends on what you are looking for. The two closest options are Graham Street Pub(next to the baseball field) and Clutch Kitchen and Pour House. The restaurants around Romare Bearden Park(east of the Stadium) probably have more of a family feel. If you're looking for more of a drinking/party environment I'd encourage to look at South End(south of the stadium) and along the light rail. Hopfly, Slingshot, Wooden Robot, Sycamore will all have plenty of 20/30 somethings wearing their teams colors and watching the afternoon games.Any recommendations on the best areas to hang around the stadium in Charlotte?
The biggest concern I have, outside of limiting Concepcion’s yard’s & touches, is making sure their TE is covered. This was the one area UTC had a little success in against our defense.
Also, we're talking about the Research Triangle Park (RTP) here: Duke, UNC, NC state all within a short driving distance. I lived in this area from 1999-2016 before moving back to TN. Great area to work and live.
Cree Lighting was started by a couple of NC State grads. "Does NC even have internet capabilities?" Lol how about SAS Institute in Cary? For years it was one of THE places computer science grads wanted to land a job at. Cary basically exploded in the late 90s from the Dot.com boom (before the bubble collapsed).
My degree is in mechanical engineering, but I worked part time in Ayers Hall in the CS department. My friend's mom was the secretary there and she got me a job in the office sorting mail, answering the phone, running errands, etc., so I got to know several of the CS faculty and staff. It was a nice, easy part time job I went to between classes. Good times!I got my CS degree in '88 (yes, I'm old), got a job in RTP, and have lived here ever since. 20+ years in Cary but yeah, it exploded and I'm in Pittsboro now just outside Chapel Hill. Awesome little town.
Anyways, many years here gives me some perspective on the local schools. NCSU reminds me of Kentucky. They are a basketball school first and foremost. They would trade multiple FB nattys for one BB natty. The FB program cycles between decent to pretty good. Right now, they are pretty good and have a good coach. I don't see 10 wins on their schedule but they will play us physical and it should be closer than a lot of on here think.
UT: 41
NCSU: 24
GBO!
Good to have ya! I think you’re pretty spot on. I would issue a counterpoint to one of your “reasons for hope:” we did dominate Virginia last year, but if you were to peer back through the past into the living rooms of some Volunteer faithful on that day (or dig up the game thread on here) you would find evidence of a fanbase none too pleased with our performance, at least on the offensive side of the ball. We were pretty inept that day, with very little of the improvement we had hoped to see from Joe Milton from 2021 to that point (the receivers were sloppy, which exacerbated Joe’s struggles).I come in peace. 37 yo, 2009 grad of State who lives in Charlotte. I will be there Saturday.
Coming into this season, I think most fans had these goals, in order.
Win 10 games
Make/win the acccg
Make the cfp
In order to do that, we see the need to accomplish 2 of the following 3 feats. In order; 1. Beat Clemson in DV in week 4. 2. Go undefeated(8-0) after Clemson. 3. Beat UT.
You all might have anecdotes of State fans talking about being super confident about this week but we as a fan base see them as the drunk guy at the bar who is mouthing off. COULD State win Saturday? Its possible. But not likely. I think most State fans reasons for hope are 1. UT hanging 50+ on an FCS team and still being mediocre is a thing. 2. UT looked great week 1 last year too and followed that up with a squeaker against Austin Peay and loss to UF. 3. We hope our rustiness was due to multiple transfers and looking ahead to week 2.
As far as personnel, offense, we are still getting to know them. Qb, 2 of top 3 rb, 2 of top 4 wr, te, and C are all transfers. The one offensive weapon we had last year is back, slot WR Kevin Concepcion. He'll catch passes down the field, take handoffs, reverses, screens etc. 120 yards of offense and 2 tds is par for the course for him. Your dc is going to key off of him this week. Our hope is that the wrs, te, and rbs State picked up will take some pressure off of him. After one game, that doesnt appear to be the case...120 yards and 3 tds on thursday.
Defense: state fans typically expect a top 4 acc defense every year. Tony Gibson 3-3-5 has been here since 2019 and for most of those years, hes had high level linebacker play, with multiple all acc selections and culminating in a acc dpoy/bednarik/butkus winner in Payton Wilson last year. We're not sure if we have anywhere close to that production this season but our heir apparent(Fordham) dropped a pic 6, recorded a tackle, and got ejected all in 5 plays on Thursday. From most accounts, most of the transfer NIL was spent on the 2ndary and that is seen as the strength of the defense at the moment.
As I mentioned, most State fans saw this as our hardest game coming into the season. This weekend reinforced that. A lot of us were flipping back and forth between UTCvsTenn and ClemvsUGA early Saturday. We ended up locked into the Clemson game bc that seems the more likely win in the next month that will help unlock the aforementioned goals.
PSA: Have a great time in Charlotte. Lots of good bar/brewery/restaurants to choose from near the stadium. Don't spend too much in the stadium...everyone hates David Tepper(Panthers owner). Don't give him too much extra money.
Dang, that stinks. I’ve been to Ringgold before, my dad took the family there. I think we spent 1 night in Ringgold or at least in the area. Very pretty landscape in the area if I’m remembering correctly. We went to Ruby Falls I think, my little six year old mind was sure I’d find a Ruby! Sadly, I did not find a Ruby.Hell, I live in Ringgold and still stuck with dsl lol
I got my CS degree in '88 (yes, I'm old), got a job in RTP, and have lived here ever since. 20+ years in Cary but yeah, it exploded and I'm in Pittsboro now just outside Chapel Hill. Awesome little town.
Anyways, many years here gives me some perspective on the local schools. NCSU reminds me of Kentucky. They are a basketball school first and foremost. They would trade multiple FB nattys for one BB natty. The FB program cycles between decent to pretty good. Right now, they are pretty good and have a good coach. I don't see 10 wins on their schedule but they will play us physical and it should be closer than a lot of on here think.
UT: 41
NCSU: 24
GBO!
...2 keys to game imo is control your DL the best we can and make Nico pass and read from the pocket. We do those things and I think this will be a 4th quarter game....
Welcome. Nice post.I come in peace. 37 yo, 2009 grad of State who lives in Charlotte. I will be there Saturday.
Coming into this season, I think most fans had these goals, in order.
Win 10 games
Make/win the acccg
Make the cfp
In order to do that, we see the need to accomplish 2 of the following 3 feats. In order; 1. Beat Clemson in DV in week 4. 2. Go undefeated(8-0) after Clemson. 3. Beat UT.
You all might have anecdotes of State fans talking about being super confident about this week but we as a fan base see them as the drunk guy at the bar who is mouthing off. COULD State win Saturday? Its possible. But not likely. I think most State fans reasons for hope are 1. UT hanging 50+ on an FCS team and still being mediocre is a thing. 2. UT looked great week 1 last year too and followed that up with a squeaker against Austin Peay and loss to UF. 3. We hope our rustiness was due to multiple transfers and looking ahead to week 2.
As far as personnel, offense, we are still getting to know them. Qb, 2 of top 3 rb, 2 of top 4 wr, te, and C are all transfers. The one offensive weapon we had last year is back, slot WR Kevin Concepcion. He'll catch passes down the field, take handoffs, reverses, screens etc. 120 yards of offense and 2 tds is par for the course for him. Your dc is going to key off of him this week. Our hope is that the wrs, te, and rbs State picked up will take some pressure off of him. After one game, that doesnt appear to be the case...120 yards and 3 tds on thursday.
Defense: state fans typically expect a top 4 acc defense every year. Tony Gibson 3-3-5 has been here since 2019 and for most of those years, hes had high level linebacker play, with multiple all acc selections and culminating in a acc dpoy/bednarik/butkus winner in Payton Wilson last year. We're not sure if we have anywhere close to that production this season but our heir apparent(Fordham) dropped a pic 6, recorded a tackle, and got ejected all in 5 plays on Thursday. From most accounts, most of the transfer NIL was spent on the 2ndary and that is seen as the strength of the defense at the moment.
As I mentioned, most State fans saw this as our hardest game coming into the season. This weekend reinforced that. A lot of us were flipping back and forth between UTCvsTenn and ClemvsUGA early Saturday. We ended up locked into the Clemson game bc that seems the more likely win in the next month that will help unlock the aforementioned goals.
PSA: Have a great time in Charlotte. Lots of good bar/brewery/restaurants to choose from near the stadium. Don't spend too much in the stadium...everyone hates David Tepper(Panthers owner). Don't give him too much extra money.
One thing i noticed in your game, you guys really struggled on defense with the Tempo WCU brought. If you guys were preparing for TN you guys should have been ready for the tempo in this game, that is kinda worrysome. Tennessee's tempo is almost unmatched. The only teams thave have matched it over the past few seasons are Kiffin and Golesh at USF. Golesh was our OC in 22'. Also, UT didnt show anything to NCST on Saturday either. Our best player played 10 snaps, and Chattanooga's game plan was to get out of this game unscathed because it doesnt matter in their division, so they had quick passes and didnt really allow their QB to drop back. The one time he did, he got absolutely crushed by West. I expect both teams to show some wrinkles on Saturday.Here's my thoughts from a State fan...
I wouldn't put much stock in us having a close game or you have a blowout, it's just week 1.
State has skilled players outside of KC, so you're secondary will be tested. That being said, your DL can definitely disrupt any well laid plays if we can't come up with a good scheme to deal with them. We do have a lot of Transfers in key positions, QB, RB, Center, TE, WRs. All but the WRs are well tested and proven though from their previous schools. But everyone still has to mesh together no question.
Think you will see a lot more RPO action than you did in the WCU game, the coaches were holding that back for a few reasons. Not giving away too much for the next game and trying to settle McCall in with his new WRs. Obviously he was a little erratic but I think that's just rust from not play since mid year last season. But yeah he needs to be more accurate this game no doubt.
Now Tenn fans have never lacked for confidence in their teams, have some relatives that are fans, but the hype for Nico is thru the roof. He's a good young talent, but he is still a freshmen. 2 keys to game imo is control your DL the best we can and make Nico pass and read from the pocket. We do those things and I think this will be a 4th quarter game. We are very capable of scoring with you imo.
All that being said we have a terrible history playing at Charlotte for some reason. Hopefully the past doesn't predict future results yet again!
Hope for a good clean game, and good luck the rest of the season!
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NC State is playing the best team they have ever played under Doreen’s stint. You’ll see as the seasons goes on, but you’re playing a Top 3 team this weekend…
49-10 Vols
I know he’s been there a while.Hmm, not sure about that, Little. Doreen got to NC State in time for the 2013 season.
-- That year, they played conference mate FSU (and lost, 49-17). That's the FSU team that went on to the BCS championship with Jameis Winston at the helm, and beat Auburn. So a pretty good team.
--Played FSU again the following year, losing 56-41. FSU ended that season ranked #3.
--Played Clemson in '15, losing 56-41 (you might see a trend developing). Clemson ended the year #2 behind Bama.
--Played Clemson again in '16, losing 24-17 in overtime. That was one of Clemson's NC years.
--Clemson again in '17, losing 38-31. Clemson ended the year #4.
--Again in '18, Clemson's other national championship season. Lost 41-7.
--Again in '19, lost 55-10. Clemson finished that year #2, behind LSU.
--They didn't play Clemson in '20, which you'll recall was the weird covid season. Schedules all goofy. The quality of their top annual opponent dropped off after that.
But the point is, Dave Doeren's tenure at NC State might be longer than you remembered. He has gone up against several national champs and playoff teams, even back when the playoff was just the top 2 (BCS) or 4 (CFP).
The man can't beat those top teams, but he has definitely run into them.
Are the Vols better than some, many most, all of those? No way of knowing yet. We'll have to watch the season play out.
But I at least do agree with you that this game should be viewed along those lines by the NC State faithful.
Go Vols!
I rarely use the term "should have beaten" because there is so much that goes into games and outcomes. But a very mediocre State Team(6-6) absolutely should have beaten the 16 Clemson Team that won the natty. State took advantage of some timely turnovers and was physically dominating Clemson's NFL dline that day all to miss a 30 yard field goal as time expired that would have ended the game there.Hmm, not sure about that, Little. Doreen got to NC State in time for the 2013 season.
-- That year, they played conference mate FSU (and lost, 49-17). That's the FSU team that went on to the BCS championship with Jameis Winston at the helm, and beat Auburn. So a pretty good team.
--Played FSU again the following year, losing 56-41. FSU ended that season ranked #3.
--Played Clemson in '15, losing 56-41 (you might see a trend developing). Clemson ended the year #2 behind Bama.
--Played Clemson again in '16, losing 24-17 in overtime. That was one of Clemson's NC years.
--Clemson again in '17, losing 38-31. Clemson ended the year #4.
--Again in '18, Clemson's other national championship season. Lost 41-7.
--Again in '19, lost 55-10. Clemson finished that year #2, behind LSU.
--They didn't play Clemson in '20, which you'll recall was the weird covid season. Schedules all goofy. The quality of their top annual opponent dropped off after that.
But the point is, Dave Doeren's tenure at NC State might be longer than you remembered. He has gone up against several national champs and playoff teams, even back when the playoff was just the top 2 (BCS) or 4 (CFP).
The man can't beat those top teams, but he has definitely run into them.
Are the Vols better than some, many most, all of those? No way of knowing yet. We'll have to watch the season play out.
But I at least do agree with you that this game should be viewed along those lines by the NC State faithful.
Go Vols!
Biggest Question of all..Depends on what you are looking for. The two closest options are Graham Street Pub(next to the baseball field) and Clutch Kitchen and Pour House. The restaurants around Romare Bearden Park(east of the Stadium) probably have more of a family feel. If you're looking for more of a drinking/party environment I'd encourage to look at South End(south of the stadium) and along the light rail. Hopfly, Slingshot, Wooden Robot, Sycamore will all have plenty of 20/30 somethings wearing their teams colors and watching the afternoon games.
They've got everything we have.
In fact, NC is TN's closest relative among all the 50 states. They're our mom, in sort of the same way we are Texas' daddy. We come from North Carolina. We are the western extension of North Carolina. And thus we share a lot of culture with them.
Lot of respect for NC. Good people there, and a ton of interesting history.
Go Vols!
the hype for Nico is thru the roof. He's a good young talent, but he is still a freshmen.
IMHO, the first thing NCst must do to have a chance is stop our run game without loading the box.
If they can do that, it's game on.