Oppenheimer (July 21, 2023) Christopher Nolan

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burntorangeVOLffle said:
My comment was more towards the general box office numbers this summer have been very weak over all. Not really a comment toward the quality of his movie which I’m sure will be good.

People just aren’t going to the movies in the numbers they were pre-Covid.

FWIW, Barbie is expected to out perform it by a pretty wide margin. That movie looks terrible.
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Part of that is Older people are just now getting back out since Covid. I was in a theater a year ago to watch a play, and got Covid.
The other is movies have been produced for young adults and children. I have no interest in comic book character movies, but then I have never cared much for science fiction(thought Star Wars was boring).
We hope to see Barbie and Oppenheimer.
I'm from Oak Ridge so I might have a little more interest in Oppenheimer than most people?
 
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Go aeiou said:
Part of that is Older people are just now getting back out since Covid. I was in a theater a year ago to watch a play, and got Covid.
The other is movies have been produced for young adults and children. I have no interest in comic book character movies, but then I have never cared much for science fiction(thought Star Wars was boring).
We hope to see Barbie and Oppenheimer.
I'm from Oak Ridge so I might have a little more interest in Oppenheimer than most people?
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Seeing it in Oak Ridge tomorrow.
 
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zjcvols said:
I loved it. Didn’t feel like three hours. Could have done without the mistress and more about how Oppenheimer dealt with he built after the war.
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The movie was excellent! It was a little slow early on but his story is very complicated. It was unavoidable.
Infidelity was a big part of his story. He was brilliant mind but had his own problems. I thought it was powerful and well done.
 
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IMAX tonight... very good. Not for everyone. Lots of dialogue and it wouldn't have been nearly as good on a small screen/ without the intense audio. The score and cinematography are amazing.
 
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SycloneJoe said:
The movie was excellent! It was a little slow early on but his story is very complicated. It was unavoidable.
Infidelity was a big part of his story. He was brilliant mind but had his own problems. I thought it was powerful and well done.
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Or at least it was the part Hollywood feels like it can understand and exploit. I was kind of worried it was be turned into gossip. Read The Making of the Atomic Bomb. Comments welcome. I won't see it until this weekend. I almost don't want to see it after having read that book. Sometimes movies overwrite history and one remembers the movie over the events and actual photographs.
 
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There's a 2023 documentary on Peacock about Oppenheimer that's really good. I watched it last night, it was good too.
 
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@bignewt Help me out.

The Guardian (🙄) review concludes: "In the end, Nolan shows us how the US’s governing class couldn’t forgive Oppenheimer for making them lords of the universe, couldn’t tolerate being in the debt of this liberal intellectual." The movie is not that absolutely stupid and flimsily propagandistic, is it?

I'm wondering if the movie parodies security concerns while omitting the decisive fact that espionage within the American project is how the Soviets obtained the bomb. The Soviets didn't successfully invent it independently (try how they might) based on their research and engineering. Somehow I can't imagine some of those actors participating in a realistic account of anything.

By the way, Japan had a bomb project too. Did they keep that little nugget to themselves? Did they abstract from the fact that we beat the Germans across the finish line? With the result that if we had tarried...

I also recommend Rhodes' followup book, The Making of the Hydrogen Bomb, and Powers' Heisenberg's War, too.

I do bet the score and cinematography are first rate.
 
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Now I read this:
In "Oppenheimer," Tatlock pauses in the midst of intercourse and asks Oppenheimer to read the Bhagavad Gita. "Now I am become Death, the destroyer of worlds," the scientist reads from the text as the pair resume sex.
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#60 looks prescient in retrospect.
 
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tvolsfan said:
For the record, Indians/Hindus don’t actually seem offended.
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That's not at all what I meant. And if they aren't offended, and I am not aware that they are, why should they be? Ever read the Gitagovinda or the Desire (Kama) Sutra? Or Kalidasa's Origin of the Young God?

My objection is that it's just so Hollywood/American pop. Is there a more pandering and adolescent and oily way to enter the famous line into the story? It could pass for a parody of pop culture. The Mahabharata reduced to the Bhagavad Gita, and the Bhagavad Gita reduced one line, and the one line reduced to American pop soft-core T&A. I was astounded when I read that. It is funny in it's own way, I concede.

The point of the line in the Bhagavad Gita btw is that Krishna advocates the destruction and persuades Arjuna to abandon all of his qualms about it and to initiate it. It's not about handwringing. It's particularly antithetical to remorse and second guessing one's deeds. To the contrary. Neither is it the soundtrack to a booty call.
 
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Orange. said:
I'll just keep holding out for Napoleon.
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I can’t get over the casting of Phoenix.

And I assure you a Ridley Scott “historical” epic will be far more “Hollywood pop” than Oppenheimer was.
 
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Orange. said:
That's not at all what I meant. And if they aren't offended, and I am not aware that they are, why should they be? Ever read the Gitagovinda or the Desire (Kama) Sutra? Or Kalidasa's Origin of the Young God?

My objection is that it's just so Hollywood/American pop. Is there a more pandering and adolescent and oily way to enter the famous line into the story? It could pass for a parody of pop culture. The Mahabharata reduced to the Bhagavad Gita, and the Bhagavad Gita reduced one line, and the one line reduced to American pop soft-core T&A. I was astounded when I read that. It is funny in it's own way, I concede.

The point of the line in the Bhagavad Gita btw is that Krishna advocates the destruction and persuades Arjuna to abandon all of his qualms about it and to initiate it. It's not about handwringing. It's particularly antithetical to remorse and second guessing one's deeds. To the contrary. Neither is it the soundtrack to a booty call.
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This line totally isn’t a big deal. It’s just a setup for later. You’re really overthinking it.
 
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Orange. said:
@bignewt Help me out.

The Guardian (🙄) review concludes: "In the end, Nolan shows us how the US’s governing class couldn’t forgive Oppenheimer for making them lords of the universe, couldn’t tolerate being in the debt of this liberal intellectual." The movie is not that absolutely stupid and flimsily propagandistic, is it?

I'm wondering if the movie parodies security concerns while omitting the decisive fact that espionage within the American project is how the Soviets obtained the bomb. The Soviets didn't successfully invent it independently (try how they might) based on their research and engineering. Somehow I can't imagine some of those actors participating in a realistic account of anything.

By the way, Japan had a bomb project too. Did they keep that little nugget to themselves? Did they abstract from the fact that we beat the Germans across the finish line? With the result that if we had tarried...

I also recommend Rhodes' followup book, The Making of the Hydrogen Bomb, and Powers' Heisenberg's War, too.

I do bet the score and cinematography are first rate.
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Ill report back once I see it. It was sold out both days this week I could go.
 
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tvolsfan said:
I can’t get over the casting of Phoenix.

And I assure you a Ridley Scott “historical” epic will be far more “Hollywood pop” than Oppenheimer was.
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Newt indicated in a different thread that he thought that casting was a good choice. Idk. You may not be wrong about the latter. ☹️
 
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Orange. said:
That's not at all what I meant. And if they aren't offended, and I am not aware that they are, why should they be? Ever read the Gitagovinda or the Desire (Kama) Sutra? Or Kalidasa's Origin of the Young God?

My objection is that it's just so Hollywood/American pop. Is there a more pandering and adolescent and oily way to enter the famous line into the story? It could pass for a parody of pop culture. The Mahabharata reduced to the Bhagavad Gita, and the Bhagavad Gita reduced one line, and the one line reduced to American pop soft-core T&A. I was astounded when I read that. It is funny in it's own way, I concede.

The point of the line in the Bhagavad Gita btw is that Krishna advocates the destruction and persuades Arjuna to abandon all of his qualms about it and to initiate it. It's not about handwringing. It's particularly antithetical to remorse and second guessing one's deeds. To the contrary. Neither is it the soundtrack to a booty call.
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You are extremely pretentious.
 
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