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i dont know who that could beAre you the guy aka as Dr. B on Sport-talk radio??
And no--we DON'T have better individual linemen than Stanford. And no--our OL is not even close to being in the top 10 OL as a unit either...
They are just over-rated and extremely average and not very physical at the point of attack
REALITY JUST BITES--and we will be MUCH better on the OL next year .I really do hate saying these things--but after watching 9 games--it's just true. :salute:
Haha, no. Gary Haskew is his real name (just in case you were wondering).
That's your opinion. My opinion is that we do. Tiny and James are ranked as the #4 and #9 tackle prospects, respectively, and Stone as the #6 center. Stanford has only G David Yankey listed as a prospect (#1 G prospect, but behind Richardson on the overall big board). Before you say anything, no, I'm not saying that this "proves" I'm right, but it certainly lends credence to my statement, to say the least.
Okay--I can understand why you said what you did...However, opinions do have to be based on something. You let me know that yours is BASED on highly subjective and suspect rankings, which I suppose is predicated on their draft status. Our OL guys do have all of the NFL "measurables", that's for sure--and they certainly look and talk the part.
I was strictly basing my opinion on their performance that I've observed over the last 2 seasons--but specifically on this year's performance through 9 games.
1. They couldn't run block or protect well against the Gators in the Swamp facing NFL caliber talent..
2. They didn't come close to knocking ANYONE off the ball against Oregon.
3. Decent game against UGA--whose D is not very good this year
4. Mediocre game against USCe--bailed out by one great throw and one excellent catch--Sooo glad they were!
5. Atrocious performance against both Bama & Missouri...
6. CBJ PUBLICLY stating our lack of PHYSICALITY on the LOS as UNACCEPTABLE--his evaluation is pretty important.
(And, I didn't even mention their game against S. Alabama).
Watching Stanford's OL play against Oregon last night just served to bring all of this into CRYSTAL CLEAR focus as they just lined up and smacked Oregon's DL around--
So, my basis is on their objective performance both as individual players and together as a unit--and yours is from subjective and an ever-changing draft status ranking.
I'll stick to the objective criteria--and you may keep your opinion. Either way--It just sucks that our OL has WAY UNDERACHIEVED this year on the field.
And, I know who Gary Haskew is--he's an idiot when it comes to FB IQ, but that crew is sure entertaining to listen to on the drive home from work.
GO VOLS! Burn down the Barn! :salute:
Haha, no. Gary Haskew is his real name (just in case you were wondering).
That's your opinion. My opinion is that we do. Tiny and James are ranked as the #4 and #9 tackle prospects, respectively, and Stone as the #6 center. Stanford has only G David Yankey listed as a prospect (#1 G prospect, but behind Richardson on the overall big board). Before you say anything, no, I'm not saying that this "proves" I'm right, but it certainly lends credence to my statement, to say the least.
Okay--I can understand why you said what you did...However, opinions do have to be based on something. You let me know that yours is BASED on highly subjective and suspect rankings, which I suppose is predicated on their draft status. Our OL guys do have all of the NFL "measurables", that's for sure--and they certainly look and talk the part.
I was strictly basing my opinion on their performance that I've observed over the last 2 seasons--but specifically on this year's performance through 9 games.
1. They couldn't run block or protect well against the Gators in the Swamp facing NFL caliber talent..
2. They didn't come close to knocking ANYONE off the ball against Oregon.
3. Decent game against UGA--whose D is not very good this year
4. Mediocre game against USCe--bailed out by one great throw and one excellent catch--Sooo glad they were!
5. Atrocious performance against both Bama & Missouri...
6. CBJ PUBLICLY stating our lack of PHYSICALITY on the LOS as UNACCEPTABLE--his evaluation is pretty important.
(And, I didn't even mention their game against S. Alabama).
Watching Stanford's OL play against Oregon last night just served to bring all of this into CRYSTAL CLEAR focus as they just lined up and smacked Oregon's DL around--
So, my basis is on their objective performance both as individual players and together as a unit--and yours is from subjective and an ever-changing draft status ranking.
I'll stick to the objective criteria--and you may keep your opinion. Either way--It just sucks that our OL has WAY UNDERACHIEVED this year on the field.
And, I know who Gary Haskew is--he's an idiot when it comes to FB IQ, but that crew is sure entertaining to listen to on the drive home from work.
GO VOLS! Burn down the Barn! :salute:
I never said that was all my opinion was based on, but leave it to a message board poster to disregard the opinions of professionals, simply because it doesn't mesh with your own opinion.
I think the ultimate form of arrogance just might be labeling your own opinions as "objective". Either that, or you don't know what "objective" means. You said your opinion is based on their play, which you referred to as "decent", "mediocre", and "atrocious". Those aren't objective words. They are purely subjective.
I would agree that the unit's performance as a whole was decent, mediocre, and atrocious, but that doesn't mean their individual performances were the same. All it takes for an entire unit to look bad is for 1 of the 5 linemen to play bad.
You can stick with your opinions that are based on more of your opinions that you think are objective, and I'll stick with my opinions that I know are subjective, but are at least backed by people who get paid to evaluate individual players.
I never said that was all my opinion was based on, but leave it to a message board poster to disregard the opinions of professionals, simply because it doesn't mesh with your own opinion.
I think the ultimate form of arrogance just might be labeling your own opinions as "objective". Either that, or you don't know what "objective" means. You said your opinion is based on their play, which you referred to as "decent", "mediocre", and "atrocious". Those aren't objective words. They are purely subjective.
I would agree that the unit's performance as a whole was decent, mediocre, and atrocious, but that doesn't mean their individual performances were the same. All it takes for an entire unit to look bad is for 1 of the 5 linemen to play bad.
You can stick with your opinions that are based on more of your opinions that you think are objective, and I'll stick with my opinions that I know are subjective, but are at least backed by people who get paid to evaluate individual players.
You've never played the game have you? You've never even watched film of the game and been taught how to evaluate players have you? No--all you know is how to quote some pencil-necked geek like Mel Kiper who overcharges for his personal opinions--and you think that makes your assessment valid. And what's worse, you think you deserve some kind of credit for confessing that you know nothing except what you read from some geek like Kiper.
Well, let me explain exactly why I used those subjective adjectives to briefly describe the objective measures from which I made my conclusions.
decent against UGA because of success running the ball in 2nd half--based on OBJECTIVE DATA: actual yards rushing and yards per attempt--Just so you may know how and why I came up with the subjective adjectives to describe OBJECTIVE measures of performance. By DEFINITION--OBJECTIVE DATA is that data which may actually be physically measured or observed.
mediocre against USCe based on OBJECTIVE data of yards rushing and yards rushing per attempt
atrocious against Bama and Mizzou because of same .
And, at least you do realize that one lineman's screw up can ruin one play. And that FACT is exactly the reason why you look at total yards rushing for the game and yards per attempt--those numbers accurately reflect both overall and individual OL performance. If I have to keep explaining the sport of football to you I will have to charge you $$$ for what should be FOOTBALL 101.