Oregon signee questioned?

#51
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Thrasher865 said:
it's not "allowed."

The only question is whether or not they "did it."

If you pay someone any money, and they have any part in influencing a player's decision, it's most definitely a major violation.
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Paying recruiting.services is.allowed. Paying people to steer players to one school isn't. There's no evidence to prove that the latter happened yet.
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#52
#52
MaehlMan said:
Paying recruiting.services is.allowed. Paying people to steer players to one school isn't. There's no evidence to prove that the latter happened yet.
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So you really don't see how something is going on when the average fee for this type of service is 3-5k and they paid this guy $25 K, the same year they signed Lache and this same guy attended an award show with Texas native LaMichael James.

The article even mentions he doesn't offer a service listed for $25 K.

What is known and what they can prove might be different though.
 
#54
#54
MaehlMan said:
Paying recruiting.services is.allowed. Paying people to steer players to one school isn't. There's no evidence to prove that the latter happened yet.
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Right... which is why I was confused by your statement that you "don't like it even if it is 'allowed.'"

That makes no sense, like you're insinuating that paying someone to sway a player to a school may be legal. I don't see why you would possibly have a problem with what actually is legal, which is paying scouts...

MaehlMan said:
Bingo.
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So, now you're saying your favorite program is most likely dirty, you just hope they don't get found out?
 
#55
#55
Thrasher865 said:
Right... which is why I was confused by your statement that you "don't like it even if it is 'allowed.'"

That makes no sense, like you're insinuating that paying someone to sway a player to a school may be legal. I don't see why you would possibly have a problem with what actually is legal, which is paying scouts...

So, now you're saying your favorite program is most likely dirty, you just hope they don't get found out?
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Did I say that? No. I'm just saying that even if these guts did sway anyone, it would be damn hard to prove.

I don't like the business of paying scouts because it ultimately leads to situations like this where the line is close to being crossed.
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#56
#56
I don't care if it is allowed it stinks. Reeks. And it's beginning to p*ss me off. All of it.
 
#57
#57
MaehlMan said:
Did I say that? No. I'm just saying that even if these guts did sway anyone, it would be damn hard to prove.

I don't like the business of paying scouts because it ultimately leads to situations like this where the line is close to being crossed.
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same argument USC fans used btw. i.e. there was no proof anyone at usc knew about bush. how did that work out for them? the ncaa doesn't need proof. they just need to believe it happened. kelly is a slimeball. i've been telling you that for how long?
 
#58
#58
droski said:
same argument USC fans used btw. i.e. there was no proof anyone at usc knew about bush. how did that work out for them? the ncaa doesn't need proof. they just need to believe it happened. kelly is a slimeball. i've been telling you that for how long?
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I'm slowly becoming a believer. Two years in a row -- negative press. Truly embarrassing.
 
#59
#59
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But a person who once worked with Lyles said the $25,000 payment exceeded the $16,500 Oregon paid the recruiting service for its work during the previous two years. The source said Lyles' affiliation with the recruiting service had been terminated prior to Lyles billing Oregon on his own.


Seastrunk's mother, Evelyn, said Thursday night that she didn't know Lyles received $25,000 from Oregon.


"Willie said he was a trainer," Evelyn Seastrunk said. "Now Oregon says he's a scout? Is he on Oregon's payroll? If Willie Lyles collected $25,000 off my son he needs to be held accountable. The NCAA must find out for me. I don't know how to digest someone cashing in on my son."

A handful of FBS football coaches surveyed by ESPN.com on Thursday said recruiting services typically charge $5,000 or less per season for video footage and information about high school prospects
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Sources: NCAA probes man who sent players to Oregon - ESPN Dallas
 
#60
#60
One very interesting tid-bit that doesn't seem to be getting much play is the fact that the recruit's high school coach is on record stating that he was told to stay away from the recruit and his mother. And that the high school coach's recruiting help would not be needed.

Seems to be clear indication of the recruit being "steered".
 
#62
#62
droski said:
same argument USC fans used btw. i.e. there was no proof anyone at usc knew about bush. how did that work out for them? the ncaa doesn't need proof. they just need to believe it happened. kelly is a slimeball. i've been telling you that for how long?
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Rabble, rabble, rabble. Nothing's going to come of this. Sorry.
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#65
#65
droski said:
you can't be serious. nothing?
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Nothing earth-shattering. I doubt they can prove anything. It all seems legal, technically. At worst, I can see losing a few schollies or something fairly minor like that.
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#66
#66
MaehlMan said:
Nothing earth-shattering. I doubt they can prove anything. It all seems legal, technically. At worst, I can see losing a few schollies or something fairly minor like that.
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seastrunks mom isn't proof?
 
#69
#69
MaehlMan said:
Nothing earth-shattering. I doubt they can prove anything. It all seems legal, technically. At worst, I can see losing a few schollies or something fairly minor like that.
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If the guy no longer worked for the recruiting service when he got paid...and got paid wayyy more than his (or any other) recruiting service charges...I don't see how it's "technically legal" or how "nothing will come of it."
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#70
#70
VKAman said:
If the guy no longer worked for the recruiting service when he got paid...and got paid wayyy more than his (or any other) recruiting service charges...I don't see how it's "technically legal" or how "nothing will come of it."
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doesn't matter if he worked for the service. teh second he takes a dime from oregon he becomes a booster and therefore cannot be involved in the recruiting process
 
#71
#71
droski said:
doesn't matter if he worked for the service. teh second he takes a dime from oregon he becomes a booster and therefore cannot be involved in the recruiting process
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No, that's not true. Plenty of schools pay people for their recruiting services and they aren't boosters.
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#72
#72
MaehlMan said:
No, that's not true. Plenty of schools pay people for their recruiting services and they aren't boosters.
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they are considered boosters by the NCAA. look into it. therefore like any other booster they cannot be involved in the recruiting process. the mod at the cal board as an example is EXTREMELY anal about not influencing recruits decisions.
 
#73
#73
MaehlMan said:
No, that's not true. Plenty of schools pay people for their recruiting services and they aren't boosters.
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Which includes scouting/sending into video highlights/etc. You know - typically what recruiting services do - not being a handler.
 
#74
#74
MaehlMan said:
No, that's not true. Plenty of schools pay people for their recruiting services and they aren't boosters.
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yes they are. anyone being payed by the university is considered a booster by the ncaa. even a janitor. other recruiting services make damn well sure they don't interfere with recruits decisions.
 
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