Oregon's Gimmick Offense Should Put Us On Notice

[volinSmyrna]

Yes I watched the game. Tell me what the time of possession was? How many plays did their offense run as compared to their average.

Like I said, learn to read that helps a little, I am not taking away from what their defense did, but the story of the game was the slow methodical drives of Stanford that kept the Oregon O on the sideline. Stanfords RB set a record for carries.

Oh I forgot to mention, nice job avoiding my question in the last post.

Reading comprehension is challenging around here. I know I've answered his and RC's arguments over and over, but they choose to ignore reasoning and facts.

 

[Orange Alert]

At one point in time the forward pass was "gimmicky"

At one point having an actual QB was "gimmicky"

At one point using multiple WR sets was "gimmicky"

And at one point even the I formation was considered "gimmicky"

Offenses and defenses change over time. Just because something is new does not make it a gimmick and just because something is not new doesn't mean it can't work.

 

[rcvol]

No, they had a terrible defense because getting to the national championship through the SEC typically happens with a bad defense.

Just stop before you make yourself look worse.

Yeah they totally would have dominated without Cam Newton. You look silly at this point. Just stop.
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[dd4vols]

Cam Newton, Manziel are anomalies. If you want to win in our conference, and I'm not talking about 9 games a year, you have to run a pro-style, run-intensive offense and play solid D. You can't just rely on a quick strike, up-tempo offense. Oregon's offense is designed to exploit average to above-average defenses. It is not designed to win championships.
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anomaly = Deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule.

and yet....2 of the last 5 BCS titles have run the read option. and they both were from 'our conference' So is 40% an anomoly?? I wonder how some posters are able to even login to this site?

 

[hog88]

At one point in time the forward pass was "gimmicky"

At one point having an actual QB was "gimmicky"

At one point using multiple WR sets was "gimmicky"

And at one point even the I formation was considered "gimmicky"

Offenses and defenses change over time. Just because something is new does not make it a gimmick and just because something is not new doesn't mean it can't work.

Yes but the one constant has been teams with power run games control the clock and the game.

 

[rcvol]

Do I need to keep going?

Which read option team is winning Super Bowls? I just destroyed your argument.
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[JonGrudensAgent]

Yeah, until you play Stanford. This is the SEC dude.
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Stanford isn't in the SEC

 

[rcvol]

anomaly = Deviation or departure from the normal or common order, form, or rule.

Please learn to read. Guys like Newton, Manziel, and Tebow are anomalies--exceptionally great players. We don't have, and probably will not, have qbs of that caliber to run Butch's gimmick approach. I like Butch but I'm not sold.
and yet....2 of the last 5 BCS titles have run the read option. and they both were from 'our conference' So is 40% an anomoly?? I wonder how some posters are able to even login to this site?

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[sjt18]

Oregon's up-tempo finesse offense DOES NOT work against solid defenses when it turns the ball over in the red zone. We need to ditch the read option ASAP!!
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FYP.

FTR, I am not a huge fan of the spread. But Stanford beating Oregon does NOT mean spread O's are not effective.

 

[rcvol]

Stanford isn't in the SEC

Context my friend. Context.

 

[Orange Alert]

Yes but the one constant has been teams with power run games control the clock and the game.

And that can be done out of different formations and personnel packages.

I'm not a big fan of the offensive system that Tennessee uses but I LOVE the fact that Butch wants to run the ball first and preaches toughness and determination. Teams usually take on the characteristics of their head coach. Give Butch a couple years and that toughness will be more ingrained into the team.

 

[rcvol]

FYP.

FTR, I am not a huge fan of the spread. But Stanford beating Oregon does NOT mean spread O's are not effective.

I just think we are late to the game. It's not new anymore and it doesn't confuse as many teams as it used to. It makes you look good against crappy defenses, but typically fails in the face of physical teams. Not the recipe for success in the SEC (unless you have a Cam Newton or Manziel or Tebow, which is rare).

 

[butchna]

At one point in time the forward pass was "gimmicky"

At one point having an actual QB was "gimmicky"

At one point using multiple WR sets was "gimmicky"

And at one point even the I formation was considered "gimmicky"

Offenses and defenses change over time. Just because something is new does not make it a gimmick and just because something is not new doesn't mean it can't work.

Awesome point...well said :good!: k: :thumbsup:
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[VolFromNashville]

Yep. Stanford's O-line pushed them around. I was also impressed with Stanford's D-line. Created pressure on Mariota and let the LBs make plays.

Stanford took it upon themselves to bully the bully. That's an attitude UT needs to adopt. And if you're going to lose the game, make it hell for the other team.

 

[rcvol]

No, they had a terrible defense because getting to the national championship through the SEC typically happens with a bad defense.

Just stop before you make yourself look worse.

In 2010, Auburn gave up the following points to the following teams:

26-Arkansas St.
24-Clemson
27-S. Carolina
34-Kentucky (yes, Kentucky)
43-Arkansas
31-Ole Miss
31-Georgia

You must have missed that year.

 

[VolFromNashville]

I'm not arguing for, or against, your point. Whatever the reason is, our O-line has been missing that for far too long now.

Agreed. A senior offensive line should have the mindset to go out and flatten some people.

 

[Orange Alert]

In 2010, Auburn gave up the following points to the following teams:

26-Arkansas St.
24-Clemson
27-S. Carolina
34-Kentucky (yes, Kentucky)
43-Arkansas
31-Ole Miss
31-Georgia

You must have missed that year.

They also had the 9th best rushing defense in the country. If you can run the ball and stop the run you can win championships regardless of whatever system you use.

 

[VFL1953]

The earth is flat. Always has been and it will never change. You don't see people at Alabama claiming that the earth is round now, do ya.............

 

[jp1]

They also had the 9th best rushing defense in the country. If you can run the ball and stop the run you can win championships regardless of whatever system you use.

What are you talking about. Auburn's defense was garbage. Just ask the great RCVol.

He can also give you some pointers on the spread option that they call from the huddle. I know, sounds unreasonable, but RC swears Tebow called it in the huddle.

 

[volinSmyrna]

Which read option team is winning Super Bowls? I just destroyed your argument.
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Kansas City is 9-0, after being the doormat last year.
Seattle is 8-1
S.F. is 6-2, played in (and should have won) the Super Bowl last year.
TN is 5-4

The rest of those teams are ONLY successfull on offense BECAUSE of the read option (Wash and Oak)

I would say those are fairly successfull teams.

Your question was "tell me which NFL teams were successfull running the read option". So there is only ONE successfull team each year? You sir, are a moron, and I just destroyed your argument!

 

[hog88]

And that can be done out of different formations and personnel packages.

I'm not a big fan of the offensive system that Tennessee uses but I LOVE the fact that Butch wants to run the ball first and preaches toughness and determination. Teams usually take on the characteristics of their head coach. Give Butch a couple years and that toughness will be more ingrained into the team.

I partial to the traditional I-formation with fullback power running game. I wouldn't care if CBJ ran the single wing as long as we win.

 

[livefaith]

Yeah, who wants 500+ yards of offense and 11-1 or better records?

Not up to our standards around here IMO. Wake up folks!

 

[dd4vols]

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YOU learn to read...and try to comprehend...Those programs didn't have those guys....BEFORE they had those guys! And again....is 40% an anomoly? You are clearly overmatched with intelligent people...and the sooner you realize that, the sooner you will quit making a total fool out of yourself!


Oh...and so you are bringing NFL superbowl winners into why a college team shouldn't use 'read-option". Bless your heart. Post again next recess!!

and one more thing....DON'T put your stupid comments inside a QUOTE you copied from me, and try to make me as idiotic as you seem to be. You seem to have the 'login' thing down pat now, but still having trouble with other computer knowledge it appears.

 

[volinSmyrna]

YOU learn to read...and try to comprehend...Those programs didn't have those guys....BEFORE they had those guys! And again....is 40% an anomoly? You are clearly overmatched with intelligent people...and the sooner you realize that, the sooner you will quit making a total fool out of yourself!


Oh...and so you are bringing NFL superbowl winners into why a college team shouldn't use 'read-option". Bless your heart. Post again next recess!!

That's part of society's problem today. The idiots of this world actually think they are the intelligent ones, and make incoherrent arguments that prove their actual intelligence, but are not able to see it. RC is example #1.

 

[Wezcoast]

Oregon's offense sucks because they don't wear a good defense down with the run. Once they learn they can't pass it's over. Cam Newton beat Oregon single-handedly. Auburn's defense was mediocre. If we had Cam Newton I would be a fan of the option read, but we don't and won't for the foreseeable future.
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Nick Fairley was at least equally dominant in that game.