OSU on predictably of Tennessee offense

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Just confirms what most of us already know. It's like Heupel isn't trying to find the strength of this team. Instead, he just thought he was gonna line up and out talent them boys. No wrinkles, no creativity, nothing new. Where'd the genius playcalling go? Im starting to believe this offense will never be explosive again without a speed demon like Hyatt at WR. He was the magic.


 
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It's true, but the same stuff was said about Chip Kelly in past seasons. I suspect the lack of creativity is more the result of the O-line issues. There's only so much you can do when the D is in your backfield within 1-2 seconds constantly. We desperately need help on the O-line next year.

And let's be honest ... the game was over in the 1st Quarter when our D couldn't stop anything. D has been great for most of the season, but looked severely outmatched against OSU. Once we were down 21-0, game was over.

All in all, we got beat by a better team that played their best game of the season.
 
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This was already touched on above.
There is nothing to see here. We have a bad Oline- it was bad in the spring, bad in the summer, and bad all fall. You can’t run our offense - or any offense other than pound the rock without a good one. And pound the rock don’ exactly fly when you are facing an NFL D line.
We will be MUCH better in another year. 2024 overachieved in my opinion.
 
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Don't get me wrong, Ohio State manhandled us in the trenches and were the more physical team. But I kind of wonder if there was some funny business going on. It seemed Ohio Step was always a step ahead of us on both sides of the ball. You can't discount the accusations of the BIG 10 either when it comes to gaining an unfair advantage.

Maybe some of it was scouting and consulting with other coaches. But it certainmy seemed like they had some good intel.
 
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Chitlin&theDude said:
Heupels offense seems to have been figured out 2 years ago. We thought it was all Joe Milton's fault last year.
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I've seen enough open receivers this year who didn't get the ball to believe that the offense itself is fine - it's the execution on OL and QB being there that isn't. I mean really, really open receivers. We all saw them. There were a lot of 20+ yard pass plays left on the field. Nico, at least, is an underclassman and can hopefully find more of those open receivers next year. Don't know about the line.

I would like to know why Tennessee stopped using much, if they used any, pre-snap motion. We saw a lot of that in 2021 and 2022. Less last year, and even less this year.
 
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vavolfan6 said:
Don't get me wrong, Ohio State manhandled us in the trenches and were the more physical team. But I kind of wonder if there was some funny business going on. It seemed Ohio Step was always a step ahead of us on both sides of the ball. You can't discount the accusations of the BIG 10 either when it comes to gaining an unfair advantage.

Maybe some of it was scouting and consulting with other coaches. But it certainmy seemed like they had some good intel.
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Doubt the Buckeyes needed to hire a team of cryptologists to break down our play calling the last two years

First down-run
Second down-run
Third down-screen pass

Hope I didn't give away TOO many secrets there. I'm pretty sure my 85 year old mother had cracked the case by the end of the Virginia game in 2023. (Her football knowledge can be summed up as -that the quarterback throws the ball)
 
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I think the play calling and offense from the 2022 season now resides at USF. Love CJH hope he’s here for a while but he needs to make 2 calls the first is an Oline coach our current one isn’t working out fully and the second a co-OC our QB all have looked incredibly under prepared since we changed OCs
 
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A big reason why that was the case was because Ohio State received the exact looks from the Vols' offense that they were expecting based on what they saw on film from Tennessee.

"We had three weeks to prepare (for Tennessee)," said Ransom. "Hats off to the coaches. It's easy to play fast when you've been shown so many looks, you've been shown what's expected from them. And that's why we were able to play fast and react fast because we had seen it three weeks in a row. Our coaches came up with a great game plan. Our scouts did a great job for the last three weeks.
 
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The lack of creative effort by our coaches has been expressed by a number of posters....We used the same old game plan, while Ohio came up with a lot of new wrinkles...

Our guys on defense had no idea what they were doing, while their defense reacted like they had been in our offensive huddle.

It was a terrible way to end, what had been, a fun season.
 
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Volbrando said:
So I guess when Heupel said there would be nothing new on offense defense or special teams he really wasn’t kidding after all. We are so predictable on offense already it wouldn’t have been hard for them to figure us out. That’s on the coaches
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Come on now.

I'm sure it took them several weeks to decipher the play calling on one of our offensive series-

1st down run
Second down run
Third down screen pass
 
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It's pretty simple, the offense is predicated on speed creating coverage busts. The more other teams (particularly teams that can match or exceed or athleticism) see our offense or in this case have time to prepare, the more likely they are to be able to slow us down. We need a better OL certainly, but we also need a guy behind the center who can operate the offense with the pedal to the floor all the time like 2022 Hooker. Nico can be that guy, he made strides this year as a first year starter, he just wasn't that guy THIS year.
 
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Hulavol said:
This was already touched on above.
There is nothing to see here. We have a bad Oline- it was bad in the spring, bad in the summer, and bad all fall. You can’t run our offense - or any offense other than pound the rock without a good one. And pound the rock don’ exactly fly when you are facing an NFL D line.
We will be MUCH better in another year. 2024 overachieved in my opinion.
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Is it a bad OL or a bad OL concept? At some point in the season every team runs up against a match up that requires help and it doesn't look like Heupel has found the response when a DE can regularly beat a tackle one on one or when an interior DL is controlling his match up. I'm being somewhat hyperbolic here but it almost looks like Heupel's O is simply be able to win in space or be screwed when the D can't eat up space quickly.
 
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This is worrisome. I love Heupel. But things are getting stale. I was listening to the big Orange podcast with Charlie Burris and Zach Ragan. Zach made a good point. When Bamas offense started to get stale what did Saban do? Hire Lame Kitten. Boom. Revived the offense.

Huepel is gonna her to make major changes if we are to take the next step. I think Halze has zero crative input on the offense. I mean OSU hires freaking Chip Kelly as their OC for crying out loud.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
It's pretty simple, the offense is predicated on speed creating coverage busts. The more other teams (particularly teams that can match or exceed or athleticism) see our offense or in this case have time to prepare, the more likely they are to be able to slow us down. We need a better OL certainly, but we also need a guy behind the center who can operate the offense with the pedal to the floor all the time like 2022 Hooker. Nico can be that guy, he made strides this year as a first year starter, he just wasn't that guy THIS year.
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I agree this offense is lethal when the tempo is wide open. When it's slowed down it's very stoppable
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
This is worrisome. I love Heupel. But things are getting stale. I was listening to the big Orange podcast with Charlie Burris and Zach Ragan. Zach made a good point. When Bamas offense started to get stale what did Saban do? Hire Lame Kitten. Boom. Revived the offense.

Huepel is gonna her to make major changes if we are to take the next step. I think Halze has zero crative input on the offense. I mean OSU hires freaking Chip Kelly as their OC for crying out loud.
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Hazle is Heups Randy Sanders.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
It's pretty simple, the offense is predicated on speed creating coverage busts. The more other teams (particularly teams that can match or exceed or athleticism) see our offense or in this case have time to prepare, the more likely they are to be able to slow us down. We need a better OL certainly, but we also need a guy behind the center who can operate the offense with the pedal to the floor all the time like 2022 Hooker. Nico can be that guy, he made strides this year as a first year starter, he just wasn't that guy THIS year.
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I think the game has not slowed down yet for Nico, is why I didn't expect any new wrinkles. Hes already thinking too much. I remember watching V Tech with Hooker QB I like them and watch a lot of the Hokie games, a lot of friends are big fans. By the time Hooker got to UT he was seasoned by the rigors of long time fighting for a starting job at VT. I think it will slow down for Nico either next year or 26-27 if he is still the starter or hasn't portaled. The big thing is, can we recruit/portal around him, you just cant do this without a seasoned QB. Bad thing is Florida and SC have some of the most dynamic young QBs in the conference.
 
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GameTime said:
The lack of creative effort by our coaches has been expressed by a number of posters....We used the same old game plan, while Ohio came up with a lot of new wrinkles...

Our guys on defense had no idea what they were doing, while their defense reacted like they had been in our offensive huddle.

It was a terrible way to end, what had been, a fun season.
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Go back and look at the comments/complaints from UCF fans about Heupel's offense, staff and recruiting. You'd think you were reading this board.
 
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