OSU on predictably of Tennessee offense

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Volbrando said:
So I guess when Heupel said there would be nothing new on offense defense or special teams he really wasn’t kidding after all. We are so predictable on offense already it wouldn’t have been hard for them to figure us out. That’s on the coaches
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Overconfidence in his players, I imagine that was Heup's error. We've seen it in the past when he behaved as if he never saw a 4th down he didn't like. However, I'm confident ole Josh will modify his approach henceforth, to the betterment of the program.
 
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MurphyVol said:

A big reason why that was the case was because Ohio State received the exact looks from the Vols' offense that they were expecting based on what they saw on film from Tennessee.

"We had three weeks to prepare (for Tennessee)," said Ransom. "Hats off to the coaches. It's easy to play fast when you've been shown so many looks, you've been shown what's expected from them. And that's why we were able to play fast and react fast because we had seen it three weeks in a row. Our coaches came up with a great game plan. Our scouts did a great job for the last three weeks.
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The coaches lost us the game. 3 weeks to get ready and we change nothing. Playing a team that is clearly better than you, you need new looks and wrinkles, especially considering they knew Sampson was hurt.

Go back and watch the GT vs Georgia game and see how GT coaches put them in a position to win that game with their scheme. And they only had one week to get ready.


I consider Heupel an offensive genius and I thought with three weeks I would have given him the edge over Day/Kelly.
Really disappointed Heupel and the staff.
 
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DiderotsGhost said:
It's true, but the same stuff was said about Chip Kelly in past seasons. I suspect the lack of creativity is more the result of the O-line issues. There's only so much you can do when the D is in your backfield within 1-2 seconds constantly. We desperately need help on the O-line next year.

And let's be honest ... the game was over in the 1st Quarter when our D couldn't stop anything. D has been great for most of the season, but looked severely outmatched against OSU. Once we were down 21-0, game was over.

All in all, we got beat by a better team that played their best game of the season.
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But Tennessee had no back up plan for what if they stone us at the LOS? Should have gone max protect and slipped a RB/TE out for 5-10 yard passes. SOMETHING! No plan for what ifs..... Really, no plan at all. Offense or defense.
 
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This one’s on Heup. It’s time for him to evolve his offensive scheme, learn to accept what the defense gives you, and quit being so stubborn about who is in the booth helping call plays.
 
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Volbrando said:
So I guess when Heupel said there would be nothing new on offense defense or special teams he really wasn’t kidding after all. We are so predictable on offense already it wouldn’t have been hard for them to figure us out. That’s on the coaches
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I give you a like, but here is another take on the situation. (It is on the coaches also) What is the players are not able to adjust to changes very quickly? Be it mental, experience or physical ability? In these cases you "dance with the partner you came to the dance with".
 
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Cartervol said:
We got some problems on offense... Heupel wasn't lying when he said nothing new in the presser...Offense held this Team back this year. Not realistic to expect to hold every opponent to 20 or less, no matter how good your defense is..
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Imagine if we had the 2022 offense with this defense. Would anyone be able to beat us?
 
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KTrain said:
I think the game has not slowed down yet for Nico, is why I didn't expect any new wrinkles. Hes already thinking too much. I remember watching V Tech with Hooker QB I like them and watch a lot of the Hokie games, a lot of friends are big fans. By the time Hooker got to UT he was seasoned by the rigors of long time fighting for a starting job at VT. I think it will slow down for Nico either next year or 26-27 if he is still the starter or hasn't portaled. The big thing is, can we recruit/portal around him, you just cant do this without a seasoned QB. Bad thing is Florida and SC have some of the most dynamic young QBs in the conference.
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I have been worrying all season over Nico's ability to "take over". First, he had a year to study the system didn't seem to learn much. Second, even with no top notch receiver's (which he does not have beyond the injured), he can't hit them over 8-10 yards down field with any consistency and I can't see that getting much better. To this point, "why are receivers bailing for greener pastures"? Are they thinking "hell, even when I am open, he can't get it close enough for me to catch".
 
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savannahfan said:
I have been worrying all season over Nico's ability to "take over". First, he had a year to study the system didn't seem to learn much. Second, even with no top notch receiver's (which he does not have beyond the injured), he can't hit them over 8-10 yards down field with any consistency and I can't see that getting much better. To this point, "why are receivers bailing for greener pastures"? Are they thinking "hell, even when I am open, he can't get it close enough for me to catch".
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I agree and a lot are saying separation is the difference but on those 2 long passes by Howard the receiver was within 1 yard of the defender Gibson on one & cant remember the other TD defender but the QB dropped a dime on those TDs. Really not much you can do when you got super fast receivers and QB hits his spot.
 
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I have said this before and I am not knocking CJH but these last 2 years the offense has been the same few plays every single week except for a few games against lesser competition were they did different things . It's just like the Butch days of the same game plan for every team and they expect their guys to win the battle . Sometimes you are out manned like UGA or Ohio and you need to sceam something up and they don't they just get their asses beat . Why does he do this why can't he change game plans why can't this team change some during the game if it's not working ?
 
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stolitonic said:
Doubt the Buckeyes needed to hire a team of cryptologists to break down our play calling the last two years

First down-run
Second down-run
Third down-screen pass

Hope I didn't give away TOO many secrets there. I'm pretty sure my 85 year old mother had cracked the case by the end of the Virginia game in 2023. (Her football knowledge can be summed up as -that the quarterback throws the ball)
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I could have game planned a defensive scheme against us
 
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mpfvol said:
I have said this before and I am not knocking CJH but these last 2 years the offense has been the same few plays every single week except for a few games against lesser competition were they did different things . It's just like the Butch days of the same game plan for every team and they expect their guys to win the battle . Sometimes you are out manned like UGA or Ohio and you need to sceam something up and they don't they just get their asses beat . Why does he do this why can't he change game plans why can't this team change some during the game if it's not working ?
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You know the weird thing.. Go back and watch that first drive of the UGA game. Best they looked all year.. Then watch them go right back into the turtle shell they were in all year. If anything I think Heupel is stubborn to a fault.
 
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Heupel also didn't use all 3 weeks to prepare for Ohio State, even though all the sports media (Pate and etc) said that game was a lock regardless of outcome of the championship games.
 
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unfrozencvmanvol said:
It's pretty simple, the offense is predicated on speed creating coverage busts. The more other teams (particularly teams that can match or exceed or athleticism) see our offense or in this case have time to prepare, the more likely they are to be able to slow us down. We need a better OL certainly, but we also need a guy behind the center who can operate the offense with the pedal to the floor all the time like 2022 Hooker. Nico can be that guy, he made strides this year as a first year starter, he just wasn't that guy THIS year.
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And Nico won't be the guy next year.
 
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dduncan4163 said:
We have missed Golesh for the last two seasons. This season in paticular. There have been times I knew the play that was gonna be run sitting in my living room.
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No disrespect, but I’ve seen several
Posts in different forums in regards to we miss Golesh. If he’s the offensive genius some talk about. Why hasn’t he done a better job at USF?
 
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savannahfan said:
I give you a like, but here is another take on the situation. (It is on the coaches also) What is the players are not able to adjust to changes very quickly? Be it mental, experience or physical ability? In these cases you "dance with the partner you came to the dance with".
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I’ve been wondering about this. Is the lack of creativity on offense due to the inability of the players to execute more dynamic plays?

Also, I know I have seen this mentioned before, but why will our defensive backs not turn their heads and try to make a play on the ball? Some of those OSU receptions could have been intercepted or at least batted away. Are they coached to just watch the receivers’ hands and just try to get their hand in there when they see the receivers raising their hands to make the catch?
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
Go back and watch the GT vs Georgia game and see how GT coaches put them in a position to win that game with their scheme. And they only had one week to get ready.
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Your point is very solid but just for clarity, Tech did have a few extra days to prepare, they played a Thursday night game the weekend before they played Georgia. I would be over the moon though if we could poach Buster Faulkner from Tech as OC next year. He's really good, of course having a healthy Haynes King was a big, big deal for them. They were a very solid team this year when he was healthy. ND got to play GT with King out and his back up playing his first start.
 
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Heupel did have the tendency to let up a little this year, whether it be bc we had a decent lead or when we were down in games with a chance to get a 3rd and long etc, and play call got conservative. Can’t exactly pinpoint it but I assume a large part had to do with protecting his freshman qb (his confidence?), maybe a lack of explosive wrs, injuries, average o line against good competition. Whatever the reason, his mentality has been different the past year maybe two. I mean there was a time I truly believed under Heupel, anytime we passed the 50 was 4 down territory.
 
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