Our coaches hit the road today evaluating prospects....

It's brilliant, but still lucky. His track record is mediocre at best. He didn't have a whole lot of time to do anything, but saying he would have is premature. He's completely unproven at this point. (And don't bring up Kiffin's resume in comparison. It's really not the same.)

Yet people outside of Knoxville were saying the EXACT same thing about Kiffin when that hire was made. So how is it different? And you do not know what process Hamilton went through in hiring Dooley. It could have been exhaustive, educated and meticulous. That makes it a pretty good hire if it works.
 
If somebody wants to tell me 17-20 in the WAC, with your third year being worse than your second, isn't failure, I have no problem labeling that person an idiot.

So lets go with logic a bit,
Kiffins NFL record was 5-15.
His 1st year record here was 7-6 (and we all know he was gonna have a better record had he stayed this year, RIGHT!??).

So are you trying to say that , like DD, LK is an idiot???

So please tell us what your Crystal Ball says Miss Cleo, enlighten us all.
 
Yet people outside of Knoxville were saying the EXACT same thing about Kiffin when that hire was made. So how is it different? And you do not know what process Hamilton went through in hiring Dooley. It could have been exhaustive, educated and meticulous. That makes it a pretty good hire if it works.

It's different in that Kiffin was at a NFL destination with little actual control of his destiny. Dooley was AD and coach at a joint just praying for a higher profile.

The evidence is dramatically different. NFL failure doesn't parlay to collegiate failure. Collegiate failure does. That's exactly why those predicting doom have the advantage in the debate. The argument is that NOBODY KNOWS what will happen. It's akin to saying we didn't know what was coming when we elected Obama, to borrow from the political analogy being tossed around.
 
So lets go with logic a bit,
Kiffins NFL record was 5-15.
His 1st year record here was 7-6 (and we all know he was gonna have a better record had he stayed this year, RIGHT!??).

So are you trying to say that , like DD, LK is an idiot???

So please tell us what your Crystal Ball says Miss Cleo, enlighten us all.

He has rationalizations for that particular line of questions. Not healthy ones by any means.
 
So lets go with logic a bit,
Kiffins NFL record was 5-15.
His 1st year record here was 7-6 (and we all know he was gonna have a better record had he stayed this year, RIGHT!??).

So are you trying to say that , like DD, LK is an idiot???

So please tell us what your Crystal Ball says Miss Cleo, enlighten us all.

Nobody said he's an idiot. What is being said is that he isn't the man for this dig out of the muck.
 
He has rationalizations for that particular line of questions. Not healthy ones by any means.

It's not rationalization. One is an apples to apples comparison and the one people are using to bolster Dooley is absolutely apples to oranges.
 
Yet people outside of Knoxville were saying the EXACT same thing about Kiffin when that hire was made.
How many of those people do you think looked into anything but his record? How many of them do you think paid attention to much other than Al Davis' criticism. The situations are wildly different.
So how is it different? And you do not know what process Hamilton went through in hiring Dooley. It could have been exhaustive, educated and meticulous. That makes it a pretty good hire if it works.
I don't claim to know 100% for sure, but it seems more like he picked someone as fast as possible to avoid a bad recruiting class.
 
How many of those people do you think looked into anything but his record? How many of them do you think paid attention to much other than Al Davis' criticism. The situations are wildly different.
Lol. We can say the EXACT same thing about the Dooley hire. You're getting nowhere here.
I don't claim to know 100% for sure, but it seems more like he picked someone as fast as possible to avoid a bad recruiting class.

No one does know for sure, but I doubt he made a hasty decision realizing that his job depended on it.
 
How would people feel if we hired another coach with a terrible record from a non-BCS conference? I remember my reaction when Auburn hired Chizik. That was a joke. This is our joke hire, basically. That's not to say Dooley won't do well. But uh I'd rather have had someone else. When OSU hired Tressel people went insane. ( Edit: but they hit a homerun due to the obvious fact he was a winner.) Can anyone think of a coach who left a worse conference with a poor record and lived up to expectations? I could look it up but i'm on a phone.
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Lol. We can say the EXACT same thing about the Dooley hire. You're getting nowhere here.
Only because you're trying to avoid reason. Anyone who pays attention knows the difference between Oakland and some WAC job. Anyone who looks closer knows how much work Pete Carroll delegated, both in recruiting and offensive coaching. Also, as far as putting as staff together, it's clear who has that edge.
 
Only because you're trying to avoid reason. Anyone who pays attention knows the difference between Oakland and some WAC job. Anyone who looks closer knows how much work Pete Carroll delegated, both in recruiting and offensive coaching. Also, as far as putting as staff together, it's clear who has that edge.

A losing record is a losing record wherever you have it. You don't get a pass because you lost in the NFL. If that were good reasoning, someone would hire Phil Fulmer since it was the SEC he lost in.

I think Dooley put together a damn good staff. Lithe with NFL experience -- the only guy who floats the balance in Kiffin's direction is his dad and you can't give him credit for being born to a genius defensive mind. He didn't get to pick.
 
Only because you're trying to avoid reason. Anyone who pays attention knows the difference between Oakland and some WAC job. Anyone who looks closer knows how much work Pete Carroll delegated, both in recruiting and offensive coaching. Also, as far as putting as staff together, it's clear who has that edge.

Kiffin was a better hire than Dooley, I'll agree with this all the way. Kiffin is gone though, never coming back.
 
Kiffin was a better hire than Dooley, I'll agree with this all the way. Kiffin is gone though, never coming back.

I'm not saying that Dooley is a better hire than Kiffin. I'm saying hold them to the same standards. Dooley is a different kind of hire for sure. He's not going to get us on the front page of papers and in the news as quickly, but when(if) we do win, it will be sustainable.
 
A losing record is a losing record wherever you have it. You don't get a pass because you lost in the NFL. If that were good reasoning, someone would hire Phil Fulmer since it was the SEC he lost in.

I think Dooley put together a damn good staff. Lithe with NFL experience -- the only guy who floats the balance in Kiffin's direction is his dad and you can't give him credit for being born to a genius defensive mind. He didn't get to pick.

that isn't true and you know it. No coach on earth could have won at Oakland. Coaches could have turned LaTech around. College coaching and NFL coaching are very different animals because of the age of the players and the recruiting game.

Belichick would be a mediocre college coach, but is a marvel in the NFL. Opposite is true of Saban.
 
BPV, I see that you keep posting. If it's in response to me, I hope you know that I've had you on ignore for the past year and a half. If not, carry on.
 
A losing record is a losing record wherever you have it. You don't get a pass because you lost in the NFL. If that were good reasoning, someone would hire Phil Fulmer since it was the SEC he lost in. I think Dooley put together a damn good staff. Lithe with NFL experience -- the only guy who floats the balance in Kiffin's direction is his dad and you can't give him credit for being born to a genius defensive mind. He didn't get to pick.

a losing record is not a losing record dude. Not in football. It never translates. If it did why did spurrier and saban choke? While Carroll was a madman in the college game? There are so many intangibles. It's completely different. Also, you know why LA Tech was so satisfied with Dooley? Cause they suck! They have always sucked! Those people would've been satisfied with 5 win seasons forever, as long as kids were graduating. This is Tennessee, man.
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BPV, I see that you keep posting. If it's in response to me, I hope you know that I've had you on ignore for the past year and a half. If not, carry on.

that doesn't mean your dead wrong points should be left alone. You set 'em up, I'll knock 'em down.

I know I'm on ignore, but I want to say that I really enjoy your new "insider" approach to posting. Looks good on you, even though it's an utter crock.
 

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