Our DB's are going to have to learn to look back

#27
#27
Guess I'm in the minority because Hadden looks like a totally different player in the first two games imo. I cringed watching him play last season. Dude got burnt and still ran his mouth. He looks faster, more in control, and explosive. I wish he would look back but both of those balls were underthrown and I don't see any other DB not getting that first call
 
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#28
#28
Well, UVA never tested them and APSU clearly had a plan to attack Hadden, the worst DB I’ve seen in a long time. Not sure how he sees the field with 18 DB’s on the roster. The others must be garbage. He’s gotten stronger but is still a liability. Avoids tackling like the plague.

The rest are pretty good in run support.
 
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Shaun1985 said:
Guess I'm in the minority because Hadden looks like a totally different player in the first two games imo. I cringed watching him play last season. Dude got burnt and still ran his mouth. He looks faster, more in control, and explosive. I wish he would look back but both of those balls were underthrown and I don't see any other DB not getting that first call
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Hadden has all the physical tools to be a great CB. Really starting to wonder if we have the coach to get that out of our players though.
 
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sjt18 said:
The technique he's teaching is either directed by or approved by the DC and HC. Gonna fire them too?
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It’s interesting that Martinez didn’t get extended by Heupel. Some teachers are more effective than others. Possible it’s not the technique but the teacher?
 
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DaddyChad said:
It’s interesting that Martinez didn’t get extended by Heupel. Some teachers are more effective than others. Possible it’s not the technique but the teacher?
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Could be. Could be a lot of different things. I just don't like the kneejerk reactions to things like this. Granted two not so great opponents but so far the secondary as a whole has held up very well. A couple of bad calls/bad plays by Hadden and we have people wanting Martinez fired... again.

I was a little surprised when they brought him back to UT. There had to have been a good reason to do so. I don't know why or where he stands now. I do know that a lot of the assumptions being made by those saying he should be fired are likely untrue.
 
#35
#35
So I noticed this during my son's HS practices. I asked my son because it seemed odd that no DB's turned their heads and only played the WR hands. He said that is how they are being told to play it. That they are being told to flat out play the WR hands and not try to get your head around to play the ball. This is for go routes anyway. Now I would assume at the college level this would change. Although I really don't know because it seems like almost every game I watched this weekend was very much the same.
 
#37
#37
Im 53 yrs old and have never seen a db not look back for the ball...Hadden is just odd!
 
#40
#40
If a receiver is behind you, even a little, on a go route for example, turning your head back around will most likely slow you down. I say that because running forward and looking backwards is unnatural. If you slow down, you could get beat even worse.
 
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This has been discussed ad nauseum in several threads since last year. If this so called “technique” of not looking around for the ball is what is being taught, one would think that finishing #129 in pass defense last year would call for a change. But I guess not. And most of those same DB’s are still playing. Makes me wonder about the others. Hasn’t killed us yet but we will find out when we face a decent passing team. UTSA has a very good QB that scares me.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
Hadden is the #1 CB in the nation in Passes Defended and, outside of penalties, what I read earlier says he has given up only 16yds. . .
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I don’t know what the stats say, but Hadden feels like the same liability he was last year. He gets picked on for a reason: decent chance of a first down with limited downside.
 
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Enki_Amenra said:
Hadden is the #1 CB in the nation in Passes Defended and, outside of penalties, what I read earlier says he has given up only 16yds. . .
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And that is against who exactly? Austin Peay and a Virginia team that barely has a pulse. Please. Get back to us after we play a team that throws better than Our Lady of Perpetual Help. This sounds like Memphis that is touting their defense after Bethune Cookman and Arkansas State.
 
#47
#47
I wish one of the media guys would ask Heupel this at a presser. You know as a qb Heupel would love throwing against those types of dbs lol.

Maybe it's a positioning thing. I have no idea. I know when a db is beat, they kind of feel pressured and "play" the wr. If they are comfortable/confident in their positioning, they are likely to look for the ball. Maybe it is a speed thing. I can't quite put my finger on it either, but it'll drive you mad....
 
#48
#48
It has to be a stats thing. I do see an argument for not turning your head late and locating the ball because it could go right by you. You play fast when your job is simple and you don't think as much. It gives you zero chance at interceptions. If the receiver plays coy and let's that ball drop into his arms the DB has zero chance because they don't even know it is coming. I definitely don't see it happening in the NFL.
 
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AndyMizunogolfer said:
So I noticed this during my son's HS practices. I asked my son because it seemed odd that no DB's turned their heads and only played the WR hands. He said that is how they are being told to play it. That they are being told to flat out play the WR hands and not try to get your head around to play the ball. This is for go routes anyway. Now I would assume at the college level this would change. Although I really don't know because it seems like almost every game I watched this weekend was very much the same.
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In the NFL.you have to look back or it's pass interference. In college and high school you don't have to look back. DBs are now taught to put their hands up when the WR goes into a catching motion with his arms, to try and knock the ball away.
 
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cherokeeeVOL said:
This has been discussed many times and the general consensus seems to be that they are coached to focus on the receiver instead of the ball. Sometimes it works but when it doesn’t, in my opinion, it looks pretty bad. Case in point from Saturday with Hadden: On one play he got burned by the receiver but the ball was underthrown. Ended up being a PI call because he was turned facing the receiver and all over him trying to throw him off. If he had simply been playing the ball, that’s an INT. On his best play of the game imo, he turned around and jumped for the ball, great INT!
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Yes and no. DBs are taught to play the WRs hands/eyes if they’re in the trail position when the ball is arriving. If they’re in good position and have the WR covered up, they’re taught to turn around and find the ball, as Hadden did on the pick.

Hadden’s problem is that he doesn’t seem to trust his coverage and doesn’t turn around when he’s NOT in a trail position, but rather, has tight coverage. That happened on both PIs. Not sure how long they’re going to let him keep doing this before replacing him, because, if I’m Florida on 3rd or 4th down, I’m just throwing it up at Hadden and drawing PI. I’d play Jeudy-Lally at this point.
 
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