Our national title claims

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Volosaurus rex said:
If you don't see an inequity in the fact that Texas A & M went from zero first-place votes one week to 38 the next week, based on a 19-0 victory over an eventual 1-9-1 Rice team, at the same time that we defeated Vanderbilt 13-0, I can only say that we will agree to disagree.
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Without a playoff, the system was always inequitable. TAM played, I think, 4-5 teams that finished over .500 and several of them before Rice, and pretty much were killing teams. Perhaps the voters simply corrected for ranking TN too highly to that point. With their bowl win over Tulane, perhaps TAM should have finished #2, despite votes were tallied before bowls.
 
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You certainly offer a defensible strength-of-schedule argument. In terms of performance, however, Texas A & M outscored their ten regular season opponents 198-18, whereas we blanked our regular season opposition 212-0. The voter flip-flop, in my admittedly orange-biased opinion, simply was not warranted.
 
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Volosaurus rex said:
You certainly offer a defensible strength-of-schedule argument. In terms of performance, however, Texas A & M outscored their ten regular season opponents 198-18, whereas we blanked our regular season opposition 212-0. The voter flip-flop, in my admittedly orange-biased opinion, simply was not warranted.
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Perhaps, so. I had never really looked into the numbers before and thought it interesting.
 
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HvilleCommando said:
Losing in a bowl used to not mean anything way back in the day. Bowls were treated as a celebratory kinda thing at the end of the season. It wasn't really seen how it is now.
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They didn't even count as part of the season to determine who was the National Champions, they were glorified exhibitions.
 
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#56
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zreeves said:
i think 16 would be enough. a 64 team bracket would probably have tennessee in the playoff system even this season which seems a bit excessive to me.
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16 is too big. Four is plenty and at most eight. The bigger the group the more debate comes in and the difference between #16 and #20 is much smaller than #1 and #8. Football is much more physical than baseball and basketball so adding games is problematic.
 
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Obsessedvol said:
So I was looking up our national title claims and I don't think we should claim 3 of the 6. 1967 we lost 2 games and our bowl game, 1951 we lost our bowl game and 1940 we lost our bowl game. Why don't we claim 1914, 1927, 1928 and 1931 when we didn't lose any games? We really should have 7 titles. 1914, 1927, 1928, 1931, 1938, 1950 and 1998. I realize this is a cool story bro thread and some of alabama's claims are even stupider but I just thought it was interesting to see the titles we do claim then the ones we don't. Also, Merry Christmas!
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There are a few that Alabama claims but there is some doudts surrounding some of the one's that they claim.
However; you will see license plates that say "Alabama 24 National Championships" So, obviously they claim each and every one of them.
 
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Way back when bowl games were just an added feature withittle meaning. I never understood the 67' thing myself.
 
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thebjd said:
16 is too big. Four is plenty and at most eight. The bigger the group the more debate comes in and the difference between #16 and #20 is much smaller than #1 and #8. Football is much more physical than baseball and basketball so adding games is problematic.
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The whole system, new and old is garbage! All of these liberal democrats want to make things fair in college football. However; they are too dumb to realize that it will never be fair to everyone. Life isn't fair!! There are too many college football teams to make it fair to everyone. On most years, one or more teams will get screwed out of what they feel that they deserve.

For instance, under the new system of a 4 team playoff system, Let's suppose there are 5 un-defeated college football teams, then one will get left out.

That is not fair to the one who is left out.

What if a 5th team, has the same record ( 11 - 1) as the 4th team (11 - 1) that gets in the play offs but of course, the 5th team gets left out. Wouldn't the 5th team think that the system is un fair?
 
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Rudy123 said:
The whole system, new and old is garbage! All of these liberal democrats want to make things fair in college football. However; they are too dumb to realize that it will never be fair to everyone. Life isn't fair!! There are too many college football teams to make it fair to everyone. On most years, one or more teams will get screwed out of what they feel that they deserve.

For instance, under the new system of a 4 team playoff system, Let's suppose there are 5 un-defeated college football teams, then one will get left out.

That is not fair to the one who is left out.

What if a 5th team, has the same record ( 11 - 1) as the 4th team (11 - 1) that gets in the play offs but of course, the 5th team gets left out. Wouldn't the 5th team think that the system is un fair?
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Liberal democrats are the only ones calling for a playoff? That's rich.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
Liberal democrats are the only ones calling for a playoff? That's rich.
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no, what he means is that those wanting a playoff have the same mindset as the liberals do. Include everybody, no one loses, it doesn't matter how hard you work or how much you succeed everybody shares equally.
 
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Rudy123 said:
The whole system, new and old is garbage! All of these liberal democrats want to make things fair in college football. However; they are too dumb to realize that it will never be fair to everyone. Life isn't fair!! There are too many college football teams to make it fair to everyone. On most years, one or more teams will get screwed out of what they feel that they deserve.

For instance, under the new system of a 4 team playoff system, Let's suppose there are 5 un-defeated college football teams, then one will get left out.

That is not fair to the one who is left out.

What if a 5th team, has the same record ( 11 - 1) as the 4th team (11 - 1) that gets in the play offs but of course, the 5th team gets left out. Wouldn't the 5th team think that the system is un fair?
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I'm not big on having a committee select the top 4, but I would have no problem with the BCS system selecting the top 4. Minus 1 year or 2, it worked out the way it was suppose to.
 
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immyaxl said:
College football was flawed then just like it is now. We need 64 team playoffs! College Baseball and Basketball have a superior system.
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That is way too many games for a playoff. Keep thebowls and make the 4 bcs bowls an 8 team playoff.
 
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Vol865 said:
That is way too many games for a playoff. Keep thebowls and make the 4 bcs bowls an 8 team playoff.
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That's a lot of traveling for fans to fill up neutral field stadiums. Especially after a Conference CG is played.

While I think Rudy is off base with his liberal democrat angle, he is right that there are too many teams to ever make it fair.

I used to really want a playoff of some kind but in all honesty the BCS has mostly gotten it right. I think SOS should be put back in with a little more weight though.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
That's a lot of traveling for fans to fill up neutral field stadiums. Especially after a Conference CG is played.

While I think Rudy is off base with his liberal democrat angle, he is right that there are too many teams to ever make it fair.

I used to really want a playoff of some kind but in all honesty the BCS has mostly gotten it right. I think SOS should be put back in with a little more weight though.
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SOS was never out. It was margin of victory that was removed.
 
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Final Four plus one is enough for me. I really don't mind the BCS if a conference champ requirement was there. The LSU/Bama game sucked.
 
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thebjd said:
16 is too big. Four is plenty and at most eight. The bigger the group the more debate comes in and the difference between #16 and #20 is much smaller than #1 and #8. Football is much more physical than baseball and basketball so adding games is problematic.
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16 seems to be working well for the smaller divisions. and i think there would be less debate. if you aren't in the top 16 too bad. i think there is much more room for debate between 4 and 5. right now we would be debating if stanford or mich state should get in i believe along with bama fl st and auburn
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
That's a lot of traveling for fans to fill up neutral field stadiums. Especially after a Conference CG is played.

While I think Rudy is off base with his liberal democrat angle, he is right that there are too many teams to ever make it fair.

I used to really want a playoff of some kind but in all honesty the BCS has mostly gotten it right. I think SOS should be put back in with a little more weight though.
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I have no problem with the bcs, but if they're gonna change it I'd rather have the four bcs bowls be the playoffs and nothing more.
 
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#72
The 6 National Titles are not claims by Tennessee or its fans but instead are officially recognized by the NCAA. General Neyland is held in high regard as one of only a handful of coaches that have won at least 4 National Championships.
 
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allvol said:
The 6 National Titles are not claims by Tennessee or its fans but instead are officially recognized by the NCAA. General Neyland is held in high regard as one of only a handful of coaches that have won at least 4 National Championships.
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The NCAA only recognizes 3 of UT's claims. They do not credit UT for 1940, 1950 or 1967.

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Neyland only won 2, according to the NCAA (though 1950 is recognized by CFDW, so it probably should count). The only coaches to win 4 national championships in the modern era are Bernie Bierman, Frank Leahy, Bear Bryant, and Nick Saban.
 
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