Pac 10 better than the SEC???

#76
#76
milohimself said:
And cheater or not, ASU with Erickson at the helm is the only program with a realistic shot at competing with USC in the long term. Tempe is a favorable destination, ASU has a great campus, and Erickson has a decent NFL pedigree, which means ASU will be a good path to the bigs. No other Pac-10 school will be able to pull that off.
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the entire state of arizona produces fewer div 1a athletes than the area immediately surrounding the Cal campus. The majority of their roster is not from arizona. I like tempe because I like 100 degree dry heat, but it's definetly not for everyone. The traditional powers in the pac 10 are USC, UCLA, and Washington in that order and it isn't a coincidence. It's a lot easier to recruit when you have kids that grow up loving your program, rather than trying to poach kids from different regoins. Cal until recently didn't care about football, but if the new facilities get built is in a much better situation than ASU.

edit: another thing many people don't realize is that ASU has had some recruiting issues and the administration is REALLY cracking down on questionable admits for the athletic program. and anyone who knows about erikson knows that his best players have many times been players other teams wouldn't touch. My ASU friends tell me he's going to have run a very clean program.
 
#78
#78
Fine Vol said:
Droski who do think will have more passing yards UT or CAL and running yards?
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God knows. My gut. . . cal passing yards, vols running yards. I really worry you guys might be able to control the clock and wear us down. Gregory's defense has rarely had a problem stopping the run even against the best teams, but we all saw what happened last year.
 
#79
#79
droski said:
the entire state of arizona produces fewer div 1a athletes than the area immediately surrounding the Cal campus. The majority of their roster is not from arizona. I like tempe because I like 100 degree dry heat, but it's definetly not for everyone. The traditional powers in the pac 10 are USC, UCLA, and Washington in that order and it isn't a coincidence. It's a lot easier to recruit when you have kids that grow up loving your program, rather than trying to poach kids from different regoins. Cal until recently didn't care about football, but if the new facilities get built is in a much better situation than ASU.
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Cop out.
 
#80
#80
utfantilidie said:
Cop out.
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Maybe, but it is the truth. Until the 90s, Cal football did not have administrative support. Many in the administration (and this opinion still exists to some degree particurally among certain profs) believe that having a good football team means you are sacrificing your academic integrity. And let's face it, the bay area isn't exactly the center of the college football universe.
 
#81
#81
droski said:
Maybe, but it is the truth. Until the 90s, Cal football did not have administrative support. Many in the administration (and this opinion still exists to some degree particurally among certain profs) believe that having a good football team means you are sacrificing your academic integrity. And let's face it, the bay area isn't exactly the center of the college football universe.
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ND does not sacrificing academic integrity
 
#83
#83
Fine Vol said:
ND does not sacrificing academic integrity
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You'll find that most ND fans blame admission standards for their recent downturn. Considering they have every other benefit, i.e. always on national TV, huge alumni support, and great tradition, maybe they have a point. Either that or bob davie and ty were lousy coaches.
 
#86
#86
ND is an easy team to hate and I see why but I respect there history and old traditions. I hear their fans are great fans.
 
#88
#88
orange+white=heaven said:
I think Sly Croom could actually be a fine head coach.
Has he ruined his chances forever by taking on the MSU gambit?
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We'll see. If State lives up to their initial commitment and allows him to coach through the term of the sanctions, which would result in him coaching there in '08, he'll have the opportunity to show what he can do.
 
#89
#89
If tradition were the measure of success, then the PAC-10 would be considered an infant. Save USC, teams like Washington State or Arizona or even UCLA would be dwarfed by the lore and pageantry of the likes of Vanderbilt and Dartmouth. And but for OJ Simpson in the 70's, even USC would be dismissed as faux.

As tradition goes, it seems to me that the current top-notch conference with significant historial ties has got to be the SEC, standing way above everyonbe else. Heck, even Florida, a team constantly mocked on this site for its lack of history, has Mr. Two Bits, a guy who led a particular cheer at Gainesville for all but two home games going back 59 years.

If Tradition is the measure of success, there is simply no debate.
 
#90
#90
lawgator1 said:
And but for OJ Simpson in the 70's, even USC would be dismissed as faux.
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Well, we've found something that you obviously know less about than college basketball history. The sheer ridiculousness of your assertion is staggering.
 
#91
#91
hatvol96 said:
Well, we've found something that you obviously know less about than college basketball history. The sheer ridiculousness of your assertion is staggering.
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And the sheer arrogance of your post is mind numbing.

How about you just make your counter-argument instead of simply insulting me? Might make for a better discussion.
 
#92
#92
lawgator1 said:
If tradition were the measure of success, then the PAC-10 would be considered an infant. Save USC, teams like Washington State or Arizona or even UCLA would be dwarfed by the lore and pageantry of the likes of Vanderbilt and Dartmouth. And but for OJ Simpson in the 70's, even USC would be dismissed as faux.

As tradition goes, it seems to me that the current top-notch conference with significant historial ties has got to be the SEC, standing way above everyonbe else. Heck, even Florida, a team constantly mocked on this site for its lack of history, has Mr. Two Bits, a guy who led a particular cheer at Gainesville for all but two home games going back 59 years.

If Tradition is the measure of success, there is simply no debate.
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ucla and washington have more tradition than any of the cellar dwelling SEC teams. Even washington state (your example) made a rose bowl not that long ago (with a top 5 finish), when's the last time vandy made a jan 1st bowl? 60 years?
 
#93
#93
hatvol96 said:
Well, we've found something that you obviously know less about than college basketball history. The sheer ridiculousness of your assertion is staggering.
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I wish to strike this from the record the coucil is leading the witness.:birgits_giggle:
 
#94
#94
droski said:
ucla and washington have more tradition than any of the cellar dwelling SEC team. Even washington state (your example) made a rose bowl not that long ago, when's the last time vandy made a jan 1st bowl? 60 years?
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I'm talking first half of the 20th century, when Lehigh and their ilk were at the top of the ladder.
 
#97
#97
droski said:
by that theory cal is one of the top 10 greatest programs in ncaa history.
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Explain, please. I'd seriously like to know where I made my mistake. What's the hsitory on that?

P.S. Thanks for not just taking a meaningless, arrogant, pompous, and downright mean-spirited swipe in my direction. Appreciate that.
 
#98
#98
lawgator1 said:
And the sheer arrogance of your post is mind numbing.

How about you just make your counter-argument instead of simply insulting me? Might make for a better discussion.
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1. OJ Simpson wasn't at USC in the '70s. 2. USC has been playing quality football, with a couple of slight downturns, for the better part of 60 years. 3. Their All Time Team reads like a roll call of the College Football Hall Of Fame. 4. Mike Garrett, Charles White, Sam Cunningham, Ron Yary, Pat Haden, Anthony Munoz, Junior Seau, etc, etc. 5. John McKay. I could go on for another hour, but I'm certain 99.9% of this board is well aware of SC's historical greatness. I'm not in the mood to do educational charity for the .1% that articulates out their anus.
 
#100
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hatvol96 said:
1. OJ Simpson wasn't at USC in the '70s. 2. USC has been playing quality football, with a couple of slight downturns, for the better part of 60 years. 3. Their All Time Team reads like a roll call of the College Football Hall Of Fame. 4. Mike Garrett, Charles White, Sam Cunningham, Ron Yary, Pat Haden, Anthony Munoz, Junior Seau, etc, etc. 5. John McKay. I could go on for another hour, but I'm certain 99.9% of this board is well aware of SC's historical greatness. I'm not in the mood to do educational charity for the .1% that articulates out their anus.
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