Pac 10 better than the SEC???

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Vol423 said:
Having just made my prior post, I'll now comment on this post. Vandy would not dominate in ANY BCS conference. However, they would have a better chance of being a middle of the pack program if they weren't forced to play the likes of UT, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, and Alabama on a regular basis.
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It might help recruiting since as you point out they might have an easier hill to climb. It's probably easier to convince a kid at a lousy big east program that he can be the start of something great and go to a bcs, than it is to convince an sec bottom dweller. So in that sense i agree.
 
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#177
That's true. Name another division in any conference where a team (Vandy) has to play three schools with coaches that have national titles (Fulmer, Meyer, Spurrier) and four with conference titles (F,M,S and Richt) every year. Then throw in games when they might have to play LSU, Auburn or Bama.

How good is any school going to do on a regular basis playing those teams?
 
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milohimself said:
You know SEC fans are overstepping their bounds when they start pumping up teams like Vandy and Mississippi State.

It's still the best conference around... And it still has some godawful embarrassments of football programs.
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I also find that funny. I also find it funny that the PAC 10 can't find enough teams to compare to the Top SEC teams so they go after the bottom dwellers. Kinda like saying yeah you have great teams, but our crappy teams are not as crappy as yours.

When you have as many teams winning 8 or more games as the SEC (8),that is 66% of the teams, you are going to have some teams that are going to loose a lot of games. Those wins don't all come from OCC teams.

The PAC 10 only had 3 teams that won 8 or more games last year, 30% of their teams. Now, next year if 5 teams win 8 or more games there are going to be a couple more teams at the bottom with more losses. Those wins have got to come from somewhere.
 
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maotai said:
I also find that funny. I also find it funny that the PAC 10 can't find enough teams to compare to the Top SEC teams so they go after the bottom dwellers. Kinda like saying yeah you have great teams, but our crappy teams are not as crappy as yours.

When you have as many teams winning 8 or more games as the SEC (8),that is 66% of the teams, you are going to have some teams that are going to loose a lot of games. Those wins don't all come from OCC teams.

The PAC 10 only had 3 teams that won 8 or more games last year, 30% of their teams. Now, next year if 5 teams win 8 or more games there are going to be a couple more teams at the bottom with more losses. Those wins have got to come from somewhere.
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The sec plays 4 non conference games (mostly against the dregs of div 1a) the pac-10 plays 3. All you have to do is beat 1 (or 2) decent teams a year (assuming you play 3 of the vandy, kentucky, miss state, ole miss crew) to get to 8 wins in the SEC. Not very hard at all. And once again the nonconference records of the nonpowers in the SEC are pretty horrible against BCS competition (the few games they do play).

Look at kentucky:

September 3 at No. 13 Louisville L 59-28 0-1 (0-0) Blowout by BCS opponent
September 9 Texas State W 41-7 1-1 (0-0) horrible team
September 16 Mississippi W 31-14 2-1 (1-0) horrible team
September 23 at No. 5 Florida L 26-7 2-2 (1-1)
September 30 Central Michigan W 45-36 3-2 (1-1) horrible team
October 7 South Carolina L 24-17 3-3 (1-2)
October 14 at No. 14 LSU L 49-0 3-4 (1-3)
October 28 at Mississippi State W 34-31 4-4 (2-3) horrible team
November 4 Georgia W 24-20 5-4 (3-3) Down year for georgia
November 11 Vanderbilt W 38-26 6-4 (4-3) ok team
November 18 Louisiana-Monroe W 42-40 7-4 (4-3) horrible team
November 25 at No. 19 Tennessee L 17-12 7-5 (4-4)
 
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droski said:
The sec plays 4 non conference games (mostly against the dregs of div 1a) the pac-10 plays 3. All you have to do is beat 1 or 2 decent teams a year to get to 8 wins in the SEC. Not very hard at all.
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Wow. Not very hard to win in the SEC? I would list LSU, UF, UGA, UT , Auburn and Alabama as elite national powers. No other conference i can think of, can do that. I think the SEC is widely considered the toughest conference, because their cellar dwellers (Vandy, UK) are even competitive teams. This subject is always very argumentative, because of the natural homer-ism involved. However, i bet it is hard to find a truely un-biased person that doesnt think the SEC is top to bottom the strongest conference.
 
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#181
Im too lazy to, but if someone wanted to point out just how many SEC, pac-10, little 11, big 12, big least teams have appeared in bowls the last 10 year (or 20, or 30,...hell just 1 would work), I think they would make a good argue that SEC is king....PERIOD!
 
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milohimself said:
Hey... We're talking football, not women's bowling. Go read a book.
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Wow!!! easy there........internet tough guy. I was rattling drooski's cage. You need to go read a book titled the dictionary specifically looking for the word "sarcasm". Look at Vandy's 07 record............Sarcasm.

I remember, your the genius that insisted California was going to break off into the ocean........

:eek:lol:
 
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droski said:
The sec plays 4 non conference games (mostly against the dregs of div 1a) the pac-10 plays 3. All you have to do is beat 1 (or 2) decent teams a year (assuming you play 3 of the vandy, kentucky, miss state, ole miss crew) to get to 8 wins in the SEC. Not very hard at all. And once again the nonconference records of the nonpowers in the SEC are pretty horrible against BCS competition (the few games they do play).

Look at kentucky:

September 3 at No. 13 Louisville L 59-28 0-1 (0-0) Blowout by BCS opponent
September 9 Texas State W 41-7 1-1 (0-0) horrible team
September 16 Mississippi W 31-14 2-1 (1-0) horrible team
September 23 at No. 5 Florida L 26-7 2-2 (1-1)
September 30 Central Michigan W 45-36 3-2 (1-1) horrible team
October 7 South Carolina L 24-17 3-3 (1-2)
October 14 at No. 14 LSU L 49-0 3-4 (1-3)
October 28 at Mississippi State W 34-31 4-4 (2-3) horrible team
November 4 Georgia W 24-20 5-4 (3-3) Down year for georgia
November 11 Vanderbilt W 38-26 6-4 (4-3) ok team
November 18 Louisiana-Monroe W 42-40 7-4 (4-3) horrible team
November 25 at No. 19 Tennessee L 17-12 7-5 (4-4)
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Cal had to play 2 powerhouse teams in Minnesota, which lost to every decent team it faced and finished with a loosing record, and portland state, Div II team. They got blown out by a Middle of the pack sec team in Tennessee and only had to face two teams in the PAC 10 that had 8 or more wins.

Cals had 2 wins against teams that had 8 or more wins, Oregon State and Texas A&M. Cal had one win against a team that was ranked in the top 25 at the end of the season Oregon State.

Kentuky had 2 wins against teams that had 8 or more wins, Georgia and Clemson. And had a win against one top 25 team. You mention the Louisville blow out, UL won 12 games, the big east, and a BCS bowl.

The only team both played was Tennessee. Kentucky kept it close and had a chance to win at the end. Cal got blown out.

So it sounds as if Cal only had to beat 1-2 decent teams to get to 8 wins. Yeah they had more wins but just to get to 8 wins they only had to do what Kentucky did. And only to get to 8 wins Cal didn't have to beat Ore St and A&M, they only had to beat the teams with less than 8 wins and no top 25 teams. Sounds pretty easy to me.
 
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#185
I'll just say this about the SEC: It's the easiest BCS conference in the country to make a bowl in, and the hardest to succeed in.

Note: Once per thread in the conference debates, I have to mention that I don't consider the Big East a BCS conference.
 
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milohimself said:
I'll just say this about the SEC: It's the easiest BCS conference in the country to make a bowl in, and the hardest to succeed in.

Note: Once per thread in the conference debates, I have to mention that I don't consider the Big East a BCS conference.
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Big 12 North is far easier, or has been of late
 
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maotai said:
So it sounds as if Cal only had to beat 1-2 decent teams to get to 8 wins. Sounds pretty easy to me.
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I wrote something in response to your absolute and complete nonsense but decided to be the bigger man and delete it. You know what you did was wrong and had no factual basis, and yet you did it anyway. :no:
 
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milohimself said:
I'll just say this about the SEC: It's the easiest BCS conference in the country to make a bowl in, and the hardest to succeed in.

Note: Once per thread in the conference debates, I have to mention that I don't consider the Big East a BCS conference.
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:yes::thumbsup::clap:

A man willing to speak the truth, unlike one who isn't.:worship:
 
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#191
Just a little taste from the delicious article I posted above.

Conference Schedule Ranks

1. Pac-10 10.1 / 10.9

Any way you slice it, the Pac-10 teams play far and away the toughest schedules in the country. This is largely due to playing 9 conference games per team while the other BCS conferences play 8 (or 7 in the case of the Big East). But even if you just consider the non-conference schedule, the Pac-10 teams are behind only to the ACC and Big East for the number of quality opponents per team. Looked at another way, 9 out of 10 teams in the Pac-10 play at least 10 BCS conference opponents. Only 20 of the other 56 BCS teams in the country have schedules that hard. 6 out of 10 play at least 11 quality opponents, while only 5 other teams manage that feat (Wake Forest, Florida St. and Duke in the ACC, Nebraska in the Big 12 and Notre Dame).
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#192
Sorry, but playing 9 of UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State, Washington State, Washington, Stanford, Oregon State, Cal, USC, and Oregon cannot compare to having to play either 5 of Tennessee, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt, Kentucky and 3 of LSU, Alabama, Arkansas, Auburn, MSU, and Ole Miss, or 5 of the second group and three of the first group, then potentially having to play the number 1 team in the other group if you survived.
 
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Teddyhead said:
I wrote something in response to your absolute and complete nonsense but decided to be the bigger man and delete it. You know what you did was wrong and had no factual basis, and yet you did it anyway. :no:
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Only reason you deleted it was you had no facts. I posted facts. If I am wrong show me where I am. Unlike you i research before I post. He used Kentucky as and example of how easy it was for them to win 8 games. So I used Cal as and example of how easy they had won 8 games.
 
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milohimself said:
I'll just say this about the SEC: It's the easiest BCS conference in the country to make a bowl in, and the hardest to succeed in.
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I agree, but it is the easiest because the SEC has so many bowl tie-ins. Not because they have so many bottom dwellers that pad your schedule more than any other conference.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Big 12 North is far easier, or has been of late
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I said conference... I know the Big XII North is the worst division out there.

maotai said:
I agree, but it is the easiest because the SEC has so many bowl tie-ins. Not because they have so many bottom dwellers that pad your schedule more than any other conference.
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When you're in the SEC, you at least get some combination of Vandy, Kentucky, Ole Miss and Miss State every year, on top of those D-IAA/Sun Belt non-conf games.

I know I know, Kentucky is a bowl team right now because of their offense... After this season, they'll revert right back to sucking.

Once again, the SEC is still the best conference out there. I'm not pointing all this out to qualify any statement about the Pac-10, I'm simply saying the bottom of the SEC really sucks. That's all.
 
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tvolsfan said:
It can't be any easier to win 6 in the big 10 or the big east.
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Not sure if you are trying to say that it can't be any easier to win 6 in the sec than the big 10 or Big East. But i will take it that way.

Good Point. Look at Minnesota.

Kent st. 6-6
Temple 1-11
North Dakota State 11-1 (Div I-AA)
Indiana 5-7
Michigan State 4-8
Iowa 6-7

They only had to beat one team that had a winning record and they were a Div I-AA school. And this is one of those powerhouse BCS teams that the PAC 10 schedules.
 
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Teddyhead said:
Waa, whaa, what!:eek:hmy: Not for like another 25,000 years! Stop with the fear mongering!:)
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Apparently you skipped geology class too..... :p

SW California is moving ever so slowly (2 inches per year) towards Alaska as it slides past central and eastern California. 15 million years (and many earthquakes) from now, Los Angeles and San Francisco will be next-door neighbors.
 
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