Pac-10 Report: League May Not Be Able to Fill Its Bowl Commitments

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droski said:
fair and valid point. but is a pac-10 team playing utah or nebraska worse than an sec team playing the 3rd big 10 team? hard to quantify. i
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USC was great under Carroll, and I'll go as far as to say the best over that time frame, but I can't help but think part of that dominance was exaggerated by beating up on overrated Big 10 squads and Notre Dame.
 
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droski said:
and none of those teams have had sustained success. you've had one great team and bunch of good, not great teams. once again. still teh best conference, but not the gap you think it is.
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Um... Because there's other dominant teams in the conference. Not everybody has the luxury of USC(pre sanctions).

And I already posted statistics smashing your "one great team" assertion.
 
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Bumi said:
Um... Because there's other dominant teams in the conference. Not everybody has the luxury of USC(pre sanctions).

And I already posted statistics smashing your "one great team" assertion.
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you mean like taht great bama team that got blown out by utah? or that great florida team that lost to a michigan team whose coach got fired? georgia blew out hawaii. congrats to that.
 
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droski said:
kentucky hasn't had a losing season because they play the worst nonconference schedule of any bcs team in the country. their sec record is horrible during that time. washington went through the worst stretch in program history a couple of years ago. this is kind of like arguing tenn is an inferior program to michigan state.
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This entire post is a joke, and is riddled with assertions that have already been debunked in this thread.
 
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droski said:
what the hell does that mean?
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That means if a team like Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, or Tennessee starts to drop off a little, they'll make necessary changes to ensure they get back to the top. One team can't dominate for 10 years because the other programs simply won't let them. Les Miles is an idiot, but the fact that half of their fan base is ready to crucify him shows how much winning matters. Auburn made a rash decision in firing Tubs and hiring Chizik because they were terrified of dropping below Alabama. Tennessee fans are already up in arms about Dooley, even though he hasn't really had a chance to do anything. Bama went 10-2 the year before Shula's final season, and at a lot of other programs throughout the nation, he probably gets more time.
 
#107
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droski said:
you mean like taht great bama team that got blown out by utah? or that great florida team that lost to a michigan team whose coach got fired? georgia blew out hawaii. congrats to that.
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Bama got blown out?

And that Florida team lost 4 games that season, and had come off a year where their entire roster sans Percy Harvin and Derrick Harvey had gone on to the NFL. They were a bunch of freshman.
 
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tvolsfan said:
That means if a team like Alabama, Florida, Georgia, LSU, Auburn, or Tennessee starts to drop off a little, they'll make necessary changes to ensure they get back to the top. One team can't dominate for 10 years because the other programs simply won't let them. Les Miles is an idiot, but the fact that half of their fan base is ready to crucify him shows how much winning matters. Auburn made a rash decision in firing Tubs and hiring Chizik because they were terrified of dropping below Alabama. Tennessee fans are already up in arms about Dooley, even though he hasn't really had a chance to do anything. Bama went 10-2 the year before Shula's final season, and at a lot of other programs throughout the nation, he probably gets more time.
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To build off this.

When Florida is young, Bama and Auburn are primed. When Bama and Auburn are young, LSU and UGA are primed. When LSU and UGA are young, Arkansas and South Carolina are primed. Thus the transitions in power. It's impossible to stay on top in the SEC.
 
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Bumi said:
Bama got blown out?

And that Florida team lost 4 games that season, and had come off a year where their entire roster sans Percy Harvin and Derrick Harvey had gone on to the NFL. They were a bunch of freshman.
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but these are your examples of the great teams that the BCS championship team has had to beat.
 
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droski said:
but these are your examples of the great teams that the BCS championship team has had to beat.
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What are great teams that USC had to beat during the 2004 regular season? The Cal team that got mutilated by Pirate Mike in the Holiday Bowl?
 
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droski said:
but these are your examples of the great teams that the BCS championship team has had to beat.
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Bama was a great team in 08. Losing games to an undefeated Utah team and the eventual National Champion doesn't take away from that.

Nobodies argued that the 07 Gators were great. They were however a very good team albeit young and inexperienced.
 
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I'll say that if you're a team shooting for bowl eligibility, the Pac 10 is can be almost as tough or possibly tougher, unless you get a murderous draw out of the SEC, which happens at times. But if you're aiming for perfection, I definitely think the SEC has a tougher road.
 
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The SEC's non-conference scheduling has traditionally been total garbage amongst most teams.

I figured the rest of the conference would have taken notice from Auburn in 2004 when they were rightfully left out of the national title game because, guess what? USC and Oklahoma played substantially more difficult non-conference schedules. That made the difference.
 
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The SEC also wasn't as strong that year. Florida was way down, and Tennessee stumbled into the conference title game. If the SEC was as good as they had been later on, they probably get in. Either way, I think the fact that Oklahoma and USC were the top two in the human polls probably had something to do with Auburn not getting in.
 
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GAVol said:
Off the top of my head: Alabama's got Penn St on their schedule; UGA plays Ga Tech every year and has recently played ASU and Oklahoma State; SC and Auburn both play Clemson this year, Florida plays FSU every year etc.
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Props to Saban for rescuing Alabama's scheduling from Mike Shula, who was a total coward in non-conference games. UGA looked like they were making progress, but seem to have reverted back to their no out of conference road games policy after getting embarrassed at Colorado.

Most of the rest of the conference's scheduling has been crap, though. You and I both know that if the state didn't force Florida and FSU to play eachother every year, the Gators would replace the Noles with Duke or North Texas.

tvolsfan said:
The SEC also wasn't as strong that year. Florida was way down, and Tennessee stumbled into the national title game. If the SEC was as good as they had been later on, they probably get in. Either way, I think the fact that Oklahoma and USC were the top two in the human polls probably had something to do with Auburn not getting in.
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SEC title game*

The point is this: you can never tell when a conference is poised to have a bad year, even the SEC; if you plan on making a title run, you better have the non-conference games to back it up.
 
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tvolsfan said:
The SEC also wasn't as strong that year. Florida was way down, and Tennessee stumbled into the national title game. If the SEC was as good as they had been later on, they probably get in. Either way, I think the fact that Oklahoma and USC were the top two in the human polls probably had something to do with Auburn not getting in.
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SEC title game and no we didn't.
 
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That's another thing that bugs me with SEC honks, how is it that every year its by far the best conference in the country, yet if somebody points out a poor bowl performance, or non-conference record, or no national championship contenders, the response is "oh that was a down year."
 
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chavisut said:
SEC title game and no we didn't.
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We went 7-1 in the conference that year, and 6 of those wins were by 6 points or less, with the exception being South Carolina, which was 14 points. We didn't back into the game like 2007, but the way we made it there in 2004 wasn't exactly pretty.
 
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milohimself said:
That's another thing that bugs me with SEC honks, how is it that every year its by far the best conference in the country, yet if somebody points out a poor bowl performance, or non-conference record, or no national championship contenders, the response is "oh that was a down year."
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When was the last time the SEC has had no national title contenders, had an overall poor bowl performance, and a poor OOC record?
 
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tvolsfan said:
We went 7-1 in the conference that year, and 6 of those wins were by 6 points or less, with the exception being South Carolina, which was 14 points. We didn't back into the game like 2007, but the way we made it there in 2004 wasn't exactly pretty.
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Beating UF, UGA, and Bama in the same season is always pretty.
 
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