PAC-10 vs. the SEC

[milohimself]

I like Mike Riley. However, if he was going to make Oregon State anything more than they have been under him it would have already happened.

That's why I see him being their long-term guy. He's from there, clearly has love for the town of Corvallis. To top that I'm pretty sure he and the administration know he's consistently got a program like Oregon St. the best it could possibly perform considering the historical suckitude of the program.

 

[droski]

I like Mike Riley. However, if he was going to make Oregon State anything more than they have been under him it would have already happened.

It's just not possible ot be better than a 9 win coach at oregon state. at least not for a long period of time. they don't have the recruiting base, the fanbase, the facilities, and corvallis is the lubbick of oregon.

Remember this statement when you see how much better L.A. and San Diego area high school coaches like Sarkisian than Kelly and Tedford. Oregon doesn't realize it yet, but their little joyride is about to be over. Cal also needs to find a new ground to plow. Sarkisian spent every free waking moment at SC cultivating relationships for when he got his shot at a top slot.

high school coaches seem to like tedford just fine judging by the recruting rankings. and this is with some of the worst facilities in div 1a. with the new facilities it should only be better. he also has produced a lot of nfl players, more than all but a couple of sec teams in his time (as by far the second most in the pac-10). the problem is he's a pretty mediocre coach, not his recruiting. sark is a good coach, but tedford has a huge geographic advantage among other things like academics and already having a established program.

USC is descending, we're ascending. There's a shift in power occuring. We're going to be a top 10 program of the next 10 year and I would not be surprised at all if we won a national title in that timeframe.
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you really think kelly is the answer? he'll have you on probation in 3 years max. there is zero chance you will win a national title. you just don't have the talent and you never will.

 

[justingroves]

USC is descending, we're ascending. There's a shift in power occuring. We're going to be a top 10 program of the next 10 year and I would not be surprised at all if we won a national title in that timeframe.
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Haha.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[droski]

Keep telling yourself that. Your cute little fly by night program will soon be back where it spent most of its miserable existence. Looking up at anyone in the PAC Whatever Number You End Up With that makes a commitment to football. Your basketball search should have taught you a lesson. Nike money has its limits. A healthy Washington will ensure you see those limits sooner than you think.
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what? are you implying naming your field after a career .400 coach implies a lack of historical success?

 

[LawVol13]

what? are you implying naming your field after a career .400 coach implies a lack of historical success?

I've never seen a more cocky fan of a program that is on par with USCjr.

 

[droski]

oregon fans fail to realize their rise had far more to do with UCLA and UW sucking than it did with any sort of movement of power in the pac-10. a solid UW will dominate northwest recruiting. a solid cal will dominate northern california recruiting. not much will be left for oregon.

 

[justingroves]

oregon fans fail to realize their rise had far more to do with UCLA and UW sucking than it did with any sort of movement of power in the pac-10. i solid UW will dominate northwest recruiting. a solid cal will dominate northern california recruiting. not much will be left for oregon.

But the northeast! Chip Kelly!

 

[MDBJJC]

PAC 10 opponents have kicked Tennessee's butt last decade...AHHHHH I hate it!

Head to head the Pac 10 has had the SEC's number last decade. Sad but true

 

[TXA&M07]

Yet, the sec.has raked in the hardware come january.
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[PowerT83]

count the bcs title rings over the last decade.

 

[MDBJJC]

Hardware, yes, the SEC is the best.

Head to head with the Pac 10...they have the edge. Facts are facts.

 

[PowerT83]

PAC 10 opponents have kicked Tennessee's butt last decade...AHHHHH I hate it!

Head to head the Pac 10 has had the SEC's number last decade. Sad but true

I don't want to sound like an apologist, but Tennessee is 2 yards away from being 3-1 vs Pac-10 schools the last 4 years. Hardly a butt kicking, more like self inflicted gun shot wounds...except for Cal in 07, we took a beating there.

 

[TXA&M07]

I'm more inclined to remember national champions rather the who beat who in september and early october. But that's just me.
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[MDBJJC]

We went 1-3 against Cal and UCLA. PAC-10 kicked our butts over the last 4 meetings. We lost period! AHHHHHHH!!!!!

 

[droski]

the pac-10 has a winning record against every bcs conference in this decade.

 

[MDBJJC]

I'm more inclined to remember national champions rather the who beat who in september and early october. But that's just me.
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The BCS is a stupid system. We need a playoff, but that's another issue.

Can't dispute head to head comparisons. PAC-10 beat the SEC more than the SEC beat the PAC-10 last decade.

Don't get me wrong, I am an SEC fan through and through, but the data is objective. Wins-loses. Now we can play the "if" game as much as we want...if UF played blah blah...if LSU played blah blah...if Bama played blah blah (Bama lost badly to Utah now apart of the PAC-10)...Speculations are fun but fail in objective head to head comparisons.

Do I think the PAC-10 is a better conference overall? No way. SEC is better by far in terms of tradition, fan base, passion, collective talent pool, etc.

 

[DuckinTN]

It's just not possible ot be better than a 9 win coach at oregon state. at least not for a long period of time. they don't have the recruiting base, the fanbase, the facilities, and corvallis is the lubbick of oregon.



high school coaches seem to like tedford just fine judging by the recruting rankings. and this is with some of the worst facilities in div 1a. with the new facilities it should only be better. he also has produced a lot of nfl players, more than all but a couple of sec teams in his time (as by far the second most in the pac-10). the problem is he's a pretty mediocre coach, not his recruiting. sark is a good coach, but tedford has a huge geographic advantage among other things like academics and already having a established program.



you really think kelly is the answer? he'll have you on probation in 3 years max. there is zero chance you will win a national title. you just don't have the talent and you never will.

How do you know we'll be on probation? Have we had ANY problems with NCAA violations?
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[droski]

did SC have any problems with ncaa violations in carroll's first few years? how about slick rick up at UW? both showed signs, just like kelly, of running a win at all costs style program. eventually it catches up to you.

 

[MDBJJC]

did SC have any problems with ncaa violations in carroll's first few years? how about slick rick up at UW? both showed signs, just like kelly, of running a win at all costs style program. eventually it catches up to you.

Yes it does. The only one who came out clean as a whistle is Pete.

My question is why the Golden Boy (Petey) has not been bashed by the media. He skated away with the accolades and a very lucrative contract to the NFL. Talk about a racket!

 

[duckman398686]

I don't want to sound like an apologist, but Tennessee is 2 yards away from being 3-1 vs Pac-10 schools the last 4 years.

we are?

i seem to remember cal beating us in '07 and tennessee dropping 2 horrible games against a less than impressive bruin squad for 2 consecutive years. i the sec is still the better conference and will remain in that position in the near future IMO, but tennessee is 1-3 against the pac-10 the last 4 years. there's no need to sugar coat it.

 

[DuckinTN]

did SC have any problems with ncaa violations in carroll's first few years? how about slick rick up at UW? both showed signs, just like kelly, of running a win at all costs style program. eventually it catches up to you.

I've asked you multiple times how he is a win-at-all-costs coach and you've never answered me.

 

[iuvol2012]

I've asked you multiple times how he is a win-at-all-costs coach and you've never answered me.

Keeping criminals on your football team after they screwed up badly would be a prime example of win at all costs.

 

[DuckinTN]

Keeping criminals on your football team after they screwed up badly would be a prime example of win at all costs.

Oh, really? Who might you be referring to?
As I said, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

 

[droski]

I've asked you multiple times how he is a win-at-all-costs coach and you've never answered me.

blount, masoli, to name a few.

and hell just listen to the guy. he's a yokel from rural mass. in a normal world he'd be pumping gas. don't tell me he gives a crap about academic integrity.

 

[iuvol2012]

Oh, really? Who might you be referring to?
As I said, those who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones.

Well, Masoli and Blount come to mind right away. Both should have been thrown off of the team as soon as the facts were gathered, yet neither of them were.

For the record, all of our criminals were thrown off of the team as soon as the facts were determined.

Might want to take your own advice about stone throwing from glass houses.