PAC-10 vs. the SEC

[PowerT83]

we are?

i seem to remember cal beating us in '07 and tennessee dropping 2 horrible games against a less than impressive bruin squad for 2 consecutive years. i the sec is still the better conference and will remain in that position in the near future IMO, but tennessee is 1-3 against the pac-10 the last 4 years. there's no need to sugar coat it.

I'll coat the hell out of it, the lead fullback's cleat knocked the ball out of Arian Foster's hand in 08 when he was going into the endzone, how often does that happen? We left about 2 touchdowns on the field last year vs the Bruins.

I'll give credit where credit is due, they chopped up Chavis's goon squad in the 4th quarter of 08 & forced Crompton to beat them in 09.

I'll never be convinced that the better team won either one of those games.

 

[droski]

ucla was dog crap both years. if kansas state can be competitive, tenn sure as hell should be.

 

[DuckinTN]

Well, Masoli and Blount come to mind right away. Both should have been thrown off of the team as soon as the facts were gathered, yet neither of them were.

For the record, all of our criminals were thrown off of the team as soon as the facts were determined.

Might want to take your own advice about stone throwing from glass houses.

Blount's not a criminal, and Masoli isn't on the team.

 

[iuvol2012]

Blount's not a criminal, and Masoli isn't on the team.

1) In the real world, if Blount does that, he's hit with battery charges and arrested. Since he was a football player, he got a free pass.

2) Masoli was given a second chance before being thrown off.

 

[LawVol13]

1) In the real world, if Blount does that, he's hit with battery charges and arrested. Since he was a football player, he got a free pass.

2) Masoli was given a second chance before being thrown off.

Blount should have been charged. Masoli and about half of their team seem to be involved in some type of crime.

 

[milohimself]

Blount's not a criminal, and Masoli isn't on the team.

Blount illegally assaulted somebody on national TV, and Masoli remained on the team even after getting booked for theft.

 

[DuckinTN]

Blount should have been charged. Masoli and about half of their team seem to be involved in some type of crime.

You must be a UT grad, considering you think that half of the team is involved in crime.

Didn't you read what I said earlier about glass houses.

 

[LawVol13]

Blount illegally assaulted somebody on national TV, and Masoli remained on the team even after getting booked for theft.

And his best come back is to call us hypocritical when we dismissed everyone that was charged in the pellet gun incident and let back the one that was cleared of any wrongdoing.

 

[duckman398686]

I'll coat the hell out of it, the lead fullback's cleat knocked the ball out of Arian Foster's hand in 08 when he was going into the endzone, how often does that happen?

regardless if it happens frequently or not, he still should have put the ball away and held on to it.

We left about 2 touchdowns on the field last year vs the Bruins.

sure, but it doesn't really matter if they don't show up on the scorebaord.

I'll never be convinced that the better team won either one of those games.

the better team didn't, but they still won in the end. that's all that matters. ut should have taken care of business against them both years, but couldn't accomplish that. they were outcoached in both matchups IMO.

 

[PowerT83]

they were outcoached in both matchups IMO.

yep

 

[615 Vol]

Blount's not a criminal, and Masoli isn't on the team.

I agree on Blount. The guy made a terrible mistake but he seems to be a good kid. I'm glad he is a Tennessee Titan, he was a steal to pick up as an UFA.

 

[BellottiBold]

Keep telling yourself that. Your cute little fly by night program will soon be back where it spent most of its miserable existence. Looking up at anyone in the PAC Whatever Number You End Up With that makes a commitment to football. Your basketball search should have taught you a lesson. Nike money has its limits. A healthy Washington will ensure you see those limits sooner than you think.
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You're posting like a (Pac-10) Dawg... which means that you're some dreadful combination of poorly informed and wildly delusional. Our Basketball search taught us that it's very difficult to sell a job without an actual AD, and that while a small handful of elite established coaches were interested in the job, we had not sufficiently demonstrated the potential of the program to lure a "known commodity" as it were. But in the end I think most Duck fans are quite happy with the ultimate result of that search.

Washington's "health" is totally irrelevant. The Northwest is not fertile recruiting ground - certainly not in comparison to the two California zones. For that reason, Cal's recruiting successes are far more concerning to me than whatever Washington could hope to accomplish. But ultimately neither really matters because Oregon has a more nationally relevant brand than anybody in the conference outside of USC. That brand is not based strictly on on the field performance - it's based on facilities that are lightyears ahead of the rest of the conference in terms of "wow" factor, it's based on the "it" factor with Nike, and it's based on the rabid fanbase and Autzen. Oregon isn't going anywhere, as long as Phil and his friends continue to dump their cash into making the O a premier athletic brand. When the money runs out, that's an entirely different story - but that won't be happening anytime soon.

And I don't have anything to say about Tennessee vs Oregon in terms of tradition, history, pedigree, etc. Yours is a storied program in the most storied conference in all of college football, and obviously it's only a matter of time before you're made elite again. That's a stupid debate. But I have firmly believed for a few years now that it's only a matter of time before Oregon wins a national championship. All of the ingredients are in place, and I laugh big-time at the nonsense drunkoski posts about the Ducks not having talent, based on his cursory examination of recruiting class rankings. The reality is that Oregon will probably fail to get big-splash dominant recruiting classes when compared to the rest of the conference - but they will still be very good and competitive classes that give the Ducks what they need to win. Beyond that, Oregon has a demonstrated track record of evaluating lesser rated players and developing them into serious players. John Neal, anyone?

 

[droski]

what you fail to realize is that multiple programs cal, sc, asu, uw, osu (i think as well) are significantly upgrading their facilities. oregon will still have the best, but the gap wont be big enough to sway many recruits. and the oregon fanbase was so rabid that they used to draw 10K a game in the 80s.

 

[JZVOL]

But I have firmly believed for a few years now that it's only a matter of time before Oregon wins a national championship. All of the ingredients are in place,

10-3, 10-3, 9-4, 7-6, 10-2,5-6, 8-5 and 7-6 does not look like a school on the brink of a national title.

 

[BellottiBold]

I don't fail to realize anything. Your (Cal) upgrades are the only ones on your list that are anything to write home about... ok maybe SC's as well. But while you think you're 'closing the gap' Oregon is finalizing plans to build a new Football headquarters (pushed through the red tape once again by Phit LLC - which means it will be stupidly extravagant and built with incredible hubris - see the Jock Box) trying to figure out where to build an indoor track facility, and trying to decide when will be the right time to level (expand) Autzen's significantly shorter North side. Have we discussed Matt Court btw?

You're all playing catch-up... and should you each manage to discover your own maniac donor who happens to also reside over one of the premier sport marketing giants in the world, you'll still be playing catch-up.

 

[droski]

but that money can only take you so far. oregon still produces very few viable recruits (many of whom have gone to cal btw). eugene is still not a very exciting place for a young man to go (i know you disagree, but compare it to pheonix, seatle, LA, or the bay area). in my opinion you have already gone as far as you can go. which isn't a bad place to be. win a pac-10 title every 6 or 7 years, maybe 1 in 20 challenge for a NC. sure a hell of a lot better than the brooks years. i'd take it as a cal fan. i don't think kelly is the guy to take you over the top. quite the opposite actually.

 

[JZVOL]

I don't fail to realize anything. Your (Cal) upgrades are the only ones on your list that are anything to write home about... ok maybe SC's as well. But while you think you're 'closing the gap' Oregon is finalizing plans to build a new Football headquarters (pushed through the red tape once again by Phit LLC - which means it will be stupidly extravagant and built with incredible hubris - see the Jock Box) trying to figure out where to build an indoor track facility, and trying to decide when will be the right time to level (expand) Autzen's significantly shorter North side. Have we discussed Matt Court btw?

You're all playing catch-up... and should you each manage to discover your own maniac donor who happens to also reside over one of the premier sport marketing giants in the world, you'll still be playing catch-up.

Yet in the past 8 years Cal has one more win than the mighty ducks (67 to 66).

 

[BellottiBold]

10-3, 10-3, 9-4, 7-6, 10-2,5-6, 8-5 and 7-6 does not look like a school on the brink of a national title.

Look - Oregon deserved a chance to play for the national title 8 years ago. And you can say what you want about Oregon's chances before Dixon busted his ACL - but the college football intelligentsia sure thought Oregon was a viable contender before that injury - and the program is exponentially stronger today than it was then. That's all that matters.

 

[BellottiBold]

but that money can only take you so far.

I'm pretty sure I said that already, but sure.

Oregon still produces very few viable recruits (many of whom have gone to cal btw).

Come to think of it, I think I said this too! Oh, except - lol @ "many". And Gabe King does not count as an Oregonian, by the way.

Eugene is still not a very exciting place for a young man to go (i know you disagree, but compare it to pheonix, seatle, LA, or the bay area).

Uh, no I wouldn't disagree - especially because I GREW UP IN SAN FRANCISCO. IN THE CITY, even. I'm not an idiot. Eugene appeals to kids who want a quieter town, with lots of options for getting outdoors and enjoying nature.

In my opinion you have already gone as far as you can go. which isn't a bad place to be. win a pac-10 title every 6 or 7 years, maybe 1 in 20 challenge for a NC. sure a hell of a lot better than the brooks years. i'd take it as a cal fan. i don't think kelly is the guy to take you over the top. quite the opposite actually.

You're incredibly wrong. I look forward to years of sh!t talking as we discover this fact.

 

[JZVOL]

Look - Oregon deserved a chance to play for the national title 8 years ago. And you can say what you want about Oregon's chances before Dixon busted his ACL - but the college football intelligentsia sure thought Oregon was a viable contender before that injury - and the program is exponentially stronger today than it was then. That's all that matters.

I thought all that mattered was W/L record? Having three 10 win seasons in 8 years (02-09) does not make you a national title contender.

 

[BellottiBold]

Yet in the past 8 years Cal has one more win than the mighty ducks (67 to 66).

Oregon has not peaked yet, not by a long shot. That is basically all I'm saying. Washington getting better, Cal getting better - hell the whole conference getting better outside of WSU is not going to prevent Oregon from tasting future success.

 

[JZVOL]

Oregon has not peaked yet, not by a long shot. That is basically all I'm saying. Washington getting better, Cal getting better - hell the whole conference getting better outside of WSU is not going to prevent Oregon from tasting future success.

Other than your biased opinion, you have nothing to back that up.

Chip Kelly has done zero to indicate he is a national title caliber coach. That is a fact.

 

[droski]

Look - Oregon deserved a chance to play for the national title 8 years ago. And you can say what you want about Oregon's chances before Dixon busted his ACL - but the college football intelligentsia sure thought Oregon was a viable contender before that injury - and the program is exponentially stronger today than it was then. That's all that matters.

2007 was a stange year. remember that a 2 loss lsu team made NC game. i very much doubt that that oregon team would contend for a NC 9 years out of 10. as for 2001 one of the primary reasons for that is currently the head coach at cal.

I'm pretty sure I said that already, but sure.

Come to think of it, I think I said this too! Oh, except - lol @ "many". And Gabe King does not count as an Oregonian, by the way.

Uh, no I wouldn't disagree - especially because I GREW UP IN SAN FRANCISCO. IN THE CITY, even. I'm not an idiot. Eugene appeals to kids who want a quieter town, with lots of options for getting outdoors and enjoying nature.

You're incredibly wrong. I look forward to years of sh!t talking as we discover this fact.

how about kevin riley, the oregon player of the year?

Oregon has not peaked yet, not by a long shot. That is basically all I'm saying. Washington getting better, Cal getting better - hell the whole conference getting better outside of WSU is not going to prevent Oregon from tasting future success.

there are only so many scholorships to go around. it isn't pure coincidence that the rise of cal and oregon coincided with the drop of ucla and uw. only prayer is that sc starts sucking for oregon to be an annual top-10 team. that might also have to coincide with cal, ucla, and uw still sucking too.

 

[DuckinTN]

how about kevin riley, the oregon player of the year?

Um, Riley wouldn't fit in at all in our offense. Not to mention the fact that he sucks.

 

[droski]

oregon wanted him badly at the time. it's not exactly relavant to the conversation that he didn't work out. i'd still take him over costa though.