PAC-10 vs. the SEC

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droski said:
oregon wanted him badly at the time. it's not exactly relavant to the conversation that he didn't work out. i'd still take him over costa though.
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It's really impossible to say. Costa hasn't had enough PT to be judged. We'll see (maybe) this fall.
 
#77
#77
Oregon has built a very solid program over the past 15 years or so. The connection with Nike, the uni's (kids love them), and the exciting offense will keep them recruiting well and in the national picture. I don't think they have the right coach yet, but when they do, I think they will get their NC. UW, UCLA, ect returning to glory will not affect Oregon as much as some think.
 
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#81
VolCowboy said:
Oregon has built a very solid program over the past 15 years or so. The connection with Nike, the uni's (kids love them), and the exciting offense will keep them recruiting well and in the national picture. I don't think they have the right coach yet, but when they do, I think they will get their NC. UW, UCLA, ect returning to glory will not affect Oregon as much as some think.
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Yes, it will. The entire Pac-10 relies on California for the backbone of their recruiting much in the same way the Big XII relies on the state of Texas. UCLA will naturally get a boost from USC's sanctions, but I don't know if UDub can pull off another actual period of dominance. They have some tradition but the northwest just doesn't produce any hometown football talent.
 
#82
#82
VolCowboy said:
Oregon has built a very solid program over the past 15 years or so. The connection with Nike, the uni's (kids love them), and the exciting offense will keep them recruiting well and in the national picture. I don't think they have the right coach yet, but when they do, I think they will get their NC. UW, UCLA, ect returning to glory will not affect Oregon as much as some think.
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Oregon will win the national championship right about the time road conditions in Hell are made hazardous by freezing rain.
 
#83
#83
ochocinco said:
how many national titles do they have between them?

how many pac-10 titles even?

around here we fire championship coaches...
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You have to look at it on a different scale for Stanford, Oregon and Oregon State. The fact that Stanford can even be a middle of the road BCS conference program as an ivy league-level institution is incredible. Getting them to Holiday Bowls and turning out some pro prospects is about the best anybody can ever get them.

Oregon and Oregon State have to compete as programs in BFN towns in a state that produces, on an annual basis, maybe a blue chipper and seven or eight at most BCS-caliber starting talents. Quite possibly among the least HS talent of any state with BCS programs.

A couple of conference titles every decade and top 10 finishes is about the absolute best these programs can do. Nat'l titles are almost out of the question, really.
 
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milohimself said:
You have to look at it on a different scale for Stanford, Oregon and Oregon State. The fact that Stanford can even be a middle of the road BCS conference program as an ivy league-level institution is incredible. Getting them to Holiday Bowls and turning out some pro prospects is about the best anybody can ever get them.

Oregon and Oregon State have to compete as programs in BFN towns in a state that produces, on an annual basis, maybe a blue chipper and seven or eight at most BCS-caliber starting talents. Quite possibly among the least HS talent of any state with BCS program.

A couple of conference titles every decade and top 10 finishes is about the absolute best these programs can do. Nat'l titles are almost out of the question, really.
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So...if being in a hot recruiting area is important, why doesn't UCLA consistently compete? Don't tell me that it's because of USC. So Cal has plenty of talent to go around.

Erik Ainge, Ndamukong Suh, Curtis White, Owa, Kellen Clemens, Joey Harrington...all Oregonians.
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DuckinTN said:
So...if being in a hot recruiting area is important, why doesn't UCLA consistently compete? Don't tell me that it's because of USC. So Cal has plenty of talent to go around.

Erik Ainge, Ndamukong Suh, Curtis White, Owa, Kellen Clemens, Joey Harrington...all Oregonians.
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The PAC ten is different football. Offenses light years ahead of the sec. And a lot of times mor entertaining.

Sec fans typically overrate ole miss Arkansas and so carolina. PAC ten is barely inferior to the sec, but only in football. All athletics PAC 10 is number one.
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#88
#88
Ucla could dominate football like they dominate everything else if they chose to pony up a real salary for a football coach and better facilities.

I know who good Oregon players have been. I went to hs with ainge. I live down the street from where suh used to. I still go to hs games in the area. Like I said, maybe one blue chipper a year and less than ten legit bcs starters. Very little home grown talent around let alone enough to support two bcs programs, especially two lacking in tradition like u of o and especially Osu.
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#89
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milohimself said:
Ucla could dominate football like they dominate everything else if they chose to pony up a real salary for a football coach and better facilities.

I know who good Oregon players have been. I went to hs with ainge. I live down the street from where suh used to. I still go to hs games in the area. Like I said, maybe one blue chipper a year and less than ten legit bcs starters. Very little home grown talent around let alone enough to support two bcs programs, especially two lacking in tradition like u of o and especially Osu.
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And that's why we raid California and Texas.
 
#91
#91
hatvol96 said:
You don't raid anything. You get what's left over after the big boys are done stocking their rosters.
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Right....

Lache Seastrunk. 5 star RB from Houston. USC pursued him HEAVILY. Where did he go? Oregon.

Another Texan player that we have is LaMichael James. You may have heard of him.
 
#92
#92
DuckinTN said:
Right....

Lache Seastrunk. 5 star RB from Houston. USC pursued him HEAVILY. Where did he go? Oregon.

Another Texan player that we have is LaMichael James. You may have heard of him.
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Two whole players. I bet Bob Stoops and Mack Brown are just quivering in fear that Oregon is going to deplete them with these "raids" on Texas. It appears we have found the western fanbase with the same delusional qualities South Carolina possesses.
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#93
#93
lylsmorr said:
When was the last title we won under Fulmer? Go ahead...I'll wait. In the previous 5 years before he got fired? Not even an SEC championship? You don't say...
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where did that random rant come from? who said anything about fulmer?
 
#94
#94
hatvol96 said:
Two whole players. I bet Bob Stoops and Mack Brown are just quivering in fear that Oregon is going to deplete them with these "raids" on Texas. It appears we have found the western fanbase with the same delusional qualities South Carolina possesses.
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Want to know where our 4 star QB commit per Rivals (#11 ranked QB in the Class of 2011) is from? Florida.

I wonder why the SEC couldn't reel him in...
 
#95
#95
DuckinTN said:
Right....

Lache Seastrunk. 5 star RB from Houston. USC pursued him HEAVILY. Where did he go? Oregon.

Another Texan player that we have is LaMichael James. You may have heard of him.
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last summer Oregon fans were bragging about LaGarrette Blount being plucked from the SEC's backyard. what, you dont claim him anymore?
 
#96
#96
DuckinTN said:
Want to know where our 4 star QB commit per Rivals (#11 ranked QB in the Class of 2011) is from? Florida.

I wonder why the SEC couldn't reel him in...
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Ooh, a four star QB. We never see those in the SEC. You guys are a shoo in for that national title now. I bet Urban Meyer and Nick Saban are shaking at the idea of an offensive genius like Chip Kelly is going to have such a prospect at his disposal.
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#97
#97
ochocinco said:
last summer Oregon fans were bragging about LaGarrette Blount being plucked from the SEC's backyard. what, you dont claim him anymore?
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Nope, I love claiming him. He's a good kid who made a mistake, paid his dues, worked his way back onto the team, and was a key factor in the final regular season game of the year that got us into the Rose Bowl.
 
#98
#98
hatvol96 said:
Ooh, a four star QB. We never see those in the SEC. You guys are a shoo in for that national title now. I bet Urban Meyer and Nick Saban are shaking at the idea of an offensive genius like Chip Kelly is going to have such a prospect at his disposal.
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It's just funny that a guy in Florida's backyard that Florida (amongst other schools such as Ohio State, Florida State, Michigan, ND, etc.) pursued heavily won't go there...
 
#100
#100
DuckinTN said:
It's just funny that a guy in Florida's backyard that Florida (amongst other schools such as Ohio State, Florida State, Michigan, ND, etc.) pursued heavily won't go there...
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Probably wants to play in a league where nobody plays championship level defense. That allows frauds like Joey Harrington to run up big numbers and steal NFL money. The SEC doesn't set up well for that.
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