Palin-Beck, 2012

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KB5252 said:
I get your point to an extent but many of the best and brightest business people in this world did not receive degrees of any sort from the best colleges in the country.

What so many of those who attended prestigious universities lack is common sense. They don't know how the average person who balances their checkbook and lives on less than what they make feels or lives their life, not to mention the challenges they face. They see the world through their prism of privilege.

I am not arguing for Palin, I think she would be a bad choice for president, I just think an intelligent person who never attended a prestigious university would be just as capable of running the country. They couldn't really be any worse than what we have had for the last 9 or 10 years.

Where I believe the best and brightest of the highly educated are needed most are in the advisory and cabinet positions. In this way they could provide the president with the best information and a common sense approach could be formulated from it.
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Let me be clear, I am not saying attending a prestigious univeristy should be a requirement for the presidency. I am simply saying intelligence should be a factor, not how average somebody is.

McCain knew what he was doing when he picked Palin. He wasn't going after the moderate vote. He was packaging the lowest common denominator of the social conservative right. People looked at Palin, and then figured what the odds were that a heart attack or a falling object would make her the leader of the free world, a decided how irresponsible this decision was by McCain. I understand a VP pick has political consequences and isn't always about the person the candidate feels could best lead the nation...but IMO, picking Palin purely for pandering purposes showed a complete lack of respect for the office.
 
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Honestly, our best educated presidents have been some of our worst. Woodrow Wilson is generally deemed the smartest and he was easily worst until Carter. I think the position is much more about leadership and fundamental worldview than horsepowe. JMO.
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rjd970 said:
Let me be clear, I am not saying attending a prestigious univeristy should be a requirement for the presidency. I am simply saying intelligence should be a factor, not how average somebody is.

McCain knew what he was doing when he picked Palin. He wasn't going after the moderate vote. He was packaging the lowest common denominator of the social conservative right. People looked at Palin, and then figured what the odds were that a heart attack or a falling object would make her the leader of the free world, a decided how irresponsible this decision was by McCain. I understand a VP pick has political consequences and isn't always about the person the candidate feels could best lead the nation...but IMO, picking Palin purely for pandering purposes showed a complete lack of respect for the office.
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This is ridiculous, McCain would have lost by more had he not picked her. Its funny how you all have no other arguement against her other that the "she is dumb arguement" this was played against Bush and is pretty much the same one against Reagan "he is a dumb cowboy from California"
 
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volfanjustin said:
This is ridiculous, McCain would have lost by more had he not picked her. Its funny how you all have no other arguement against her other that the "she is dumb arguement" this was played against Bush and is pretty much the same one against Reagan "he is a dumb cowboy from California"
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Why do you have such a hard on for Palin? She would be a terrible choice for our country, and yes probably much worse than Obama.
 
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volfanjustin said:
This is ridiculous, McCain would have lost by more had he not picked her. Its funny how you all have no other arguement against her other that the "she is dumb arguement" this was played against Bush and is pretty much the same one against Reagan "he is a dumb cowboy from California"
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Did you not hear her comments about her dimplomacy experience being steeped in her state's proximity to Siberia? That's just unforgivable.
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I personally would not be excited about this. As you all know by now i am not a fan of the republican party and the one thing i liked about palin is that most republicans agreed that she shouldn't be president or vice president. I'm sure theyr'e are better and more qualified candidates in that party. where is the second coming of Eisenhower. I mean that guy brought us interstates.
 
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BigPapaVol said:
Did you not hear her comments about her dimplomacy experience being steeped in her state's proximity to Siberia? That's just unforgivable.
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One thing I learned in sales very early on was when you are asked a question and you don't have the answer or at least a very good answer YOU NEVER MAKE ONE UP! The customer will either know you are lying or you simply show your ignorance, either way you look stupid. Much better to be honest and say you simply don't know and move on. You can always find the right answer and report back, once you've opened your mouth and given a wrong or horrible answer you never regain credibility.
 
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picking palin was a massive error in judgement. he could have picked a variety of other ultra conservative politicians if they wanted and they clearly didn't vet her properly.
 
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droski said:
not really. independent thinking is one of the pure signs of a higher intelligence. clinton went against his party on numerous occasionals. probably not often enough, but enough to suggest he could look at an issues himself without others telling him what to do. out of obama we havent' seen a single new idea.
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I agree that Clinton wasn't afraid to go against his party, but he made many of his decisions based on what his pollsters were able to determine. Not saying it's a bad thing to find out what others are thinking, but don't kid yourself into thinking he made independent decisions... he was always considering what the impact of his decisions would be. This, as opposed to GW who clearly had conviction in his decisions... whether they were the best decisions or not.

As far as 2012 goes... no way Palin or Beck are part of a ticket IMO. They are still young, and if they want a future in politics, I think they are both positioned well to play the support role of establishing a large following and then parlaying that into an endorsement which includes a future administrative/cabinet position as part of the deal.
 
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KB5252 said:
One thing I learned in sales very early on was when you are asked a question and you don't have the answer or at least a very good answer YOU NEVER MAKE ONE UP! The customer will either know you are lying or you simply show your ignorance, either way you look stupid. Much better to be honest and say you simply don't know and move on. You can always find the right answer and report back, once you've opened your mouth and given a wrong or horrible answer you never regain credibility.
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yup. i've learned the same thing many years ago as well.
 
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KB5252 said:
Why do you have such a hard on for Palin? She would be a terrible choice for our country, and yes probably much worse than Obama.
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No one could be worse than Hussein. I am tired of her being trashed so much its ridiculous. I am not saying I would vote for her, not saying I wouldn't. No one has any other arguement against her except she is dumb. I am fine with debating policy issues, and every now and then throw in a personal shot against her, but with everyone on this board all it is is personal shots. I can't help but think some sexism is at work here. I am tired of career corrupt politicians, I am ready for real change.
 
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volfanjustin said:
No one could be worse than Hussein. I am tired of her being trashed so much its ridiculous. I am not saying I would vote for her, not saying I wouldn't. No one has any other arguement against her except she is dumb. I am fine with debating policy issues, and every now and then throw in a personal shot against her, but with everyone on this board all it is is personal shots. I can't help but think some sexism is at work here. I am tired of career corrupt politicians, I am ready for real change.
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no now Dems play the race card and Repubs play the gender card?
 
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droski said:
picking palin was a massive error in judgement. he could have picked a variety of other ultra conservative politicians if they wanted and they clearly didn't vet her properly.
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McCain would have got beat way worse without her, she clearly energized the base which he could not
 
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volfanjustin said:
No one could be worse than Hussein. I am tired of her being trashed so much its ridiculous. I am not saying I would vote for her, not saying I wouldn't. No one has any other arguement against her except she is dumb. I am fine with debating policy issues, and every now and then throw in a personal shot against her, but with everyone on this board all it is is personal shots. I can't help but think some sexism is at work here. I am tired of career corrupt politicians, I am ready for real change.
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Replace sexism with racism and I would have sworn LG made this post.

You must be his alter ego.
 
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volfanjustin said:
You have a better explanation other than she is dumb, she is stupid?
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fwiw... I think Palin wants the media to continue to "pick on her". It keeps her name in the spotlight, and more importantly, it plays perfectly with her strategy of trying to appeal to the disenfranchised, tired of "Washington" politics, small and mid-sized town voters. The more negative press she gets for the media, the more sympathy and support she receives from this large block of voters. To this extent, you have to admit she has put together a relatively intelligent and strategic marketing plan.
 
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IBlvNTmWrk said:
fwiw... I think Palin wants the media to continue to "pick on her". It keeps her name in the spotlight, and more importantly, it plays perfectly with her strategy of trying to appeal to the disenfranchised, tired of "Washington" politics, small and mid-sized town voters. The more negative press she gets for the media, the more sympathy and support she receives from this large block of voters. To this extent, you have to admit she has put together a relatively intelligent and strategic marketing plan.[/QUOTE]

This is impossible, she is the dumbest person on earth
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volfanjustin said:
McCain would have got beat way worse without her, she clearly energized the base which he could not
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You're assuming Palin was the best candidate to choose from. I find that hard to believe. Maybe he would have got beat worse without her, maybe it would have been closer with somebody else.
 
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The only people that care about Palin right now are the ultra-liberal and ultra-conservative. I guarantee the left would be just fine with her winning the nomination.
 
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rjd970 said:
You're assuming Palin was the best candidate to choose from. I find that hard to believe. Maybe he would have got beat worse without her, maybe it would have been closer with somebody else.
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I don't think so, there was no way he was going to win in the first place no matter who he picked. And conservatives (me included) do not like McCain he has given us the finger too many times. True conservatives would have stayed home if he had not picked her and the Republican Party has to have conservatives to win.
 
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