Parents With Little Screaming Kids

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Spartacavolus said:
Maybe I don't like your crunching or chewing with your mouth open. Maybe your significant other is an eyesore and making me not enjoy my biscuit. Maybe the sound of both of your voices grates on my last nerve...see where I'm going? It's not your restaurant, movie or area to dictate what somebody else does. Maybe I go to the table and tell you that your woman is ugly and ruining my meal, along with your voices. I guess nothing is wrong with that?
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No, I don't see where you are going. There is a common level of civility that is expected when out in public. Your examples are bogus.
 
#227
#227
Spartacavolus said:
I'm discussing the topic and giving various angles that people may look at it. Usually people don't like other perspectives. I love them.
And 30 minutes is a long time. I'd be $1000 it was more like 10. If it got to 15, no reason not to ask a manager to move them or move you due to bothering other customers.
In my 4 decades around kids, I've never heard one at a restaurant go off for 30 minutes. Not even close.
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You should have been on my Salt Lake City to Honolulu flight a few years ago...
 
#228
#228
Give_All_Vol said:
Don't have kids and eat exclusively at bars that allow smoking. Problem solved unless you have to get on an airplane lol
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I avoid kid friendly places as well, just a preference. Don't mind kids, hate crying, if I had kids, I'd be considerate and do my best to avoid situations like this. However, **** happens, and there's not much to do but grin and bear it.

Now, of your kids are using the grocery/hardware/whatever store as a playground, I'll sure as **** say something.
 
#229
#229
Spartacavolus said:
childish tirade? not quite. If you want to say something to a parent, then why didn't you? You are talking on here like it's no big deal, yet you refused to say a word when it just happened to you. Why is that?
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Wait a minute...

1. Approaching the parents
2. Calling the wait staff (or police :crazy:)
3. Moving/Leaving
4. Tolerating the noise

Now you know good and well that the first 2 options will lead to a heated confrontation. Most people don't need that added drama, so they will choose #3 or #4. But is that the answer? But then you have some people that just say "Fk it" or are having a bad day and take it to that level. It cuts both ways. In this particular case, the poking up. was beaten up in the parking lot for speaking up. In other cases, the person that speaks up about disturbing noise/uncivil activity ends up with the upper hand (See Michael Dunn/Jordan Davis shooting)...
 
#230
#230
Rasputin_Vol said:
So let me make sure I understand what you are saying... Assaulting someone after they tell you to go to hell is an understandable (if not acceptable) response. They haven't physically touched you, but they did say something that pushed your buttons that triggered an emotion response.

Let me make sure I have this on record and have anyone that agrees or disagrees with this sentiment speak on this.
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I don't know what is so confusing.
For an example,
If you open your mouth into someone else's business, and involving a kid, and tell the mom to go to hell, don't be surprised or whine about getting knocked the **** out.
Very simple.
 
#231
#231
Rasputin_Vol said:
You know what, that is a very interesting position, because it is lose-lose. Either you are a snake/rat for anonymously snitching on another table for noise or you confront them yourself and get labeled as rude and open yourself up to a potential parking lot beatdown.

Either way, the noise and disturbance issue has to be resolved, and it is not other people's responsibility or a courtesy they have to extend for them to deal with a loud, misbehaved child.
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A rat for complaining to a mnager or waiter about a loud table? Is this real life?
 
#232
#232
Spartacavolus said:
I don't know what is so confusing.
For an example,
If you open your mouth into someone else's business, and involving a kid, and tell the mom to go to hell, don't be surprised or whine about getting knocked the **** out.
Very simple.
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Again, make sure you remember that it can go both ways.
 
#233
#233
Rasputin_Vol said:
No, I don't see where you are going. There is a common level of civility that is expected when out in public. Your examples are bogus.
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You don't think people have various levels of civility and they are a wide range? Where is this magical bubble you live in where folks are too hard core to rat on a loud kid and ask for another table.
 
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#235
Spartacavolus said:
You don't think people have various levels of civility and they are a wide range? Where is this magical bubble you live in where folks are too hard core to rat on a loud kid and ask for another table.
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There shouldn't be a wide range. We should use common sense and know exactly what is acceptable and what is not.

You know. Don't act like you don't know what is a normal conversation level and what is a loud/annoying level. Lets not play that game. You know.
 
#236
#236
Rasputin_Vol said:
There shouldn't be a wide range. We should use common sense and know exactly what is acceptable and what is not.

You know. Don't act like you don't know what is a normal conversation level and what is a loud/annoying level. Lets not play that game. You know.
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IQ's vary, backgrounds vary, chemical imbalances vary, brain wiring varies, so common sense and ethics vary.
And there is no game about what is acceptable or not as far as annoying anyway. That has really no bearing on the topic.
Don't tell an idiot to go to hell in front of her kid. Crystal clear for me and not hard for me to make a good decision there.
 
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#237
I'm confused. Why is every conversation between adults ending up in violence between the adults? When will we realize it's us, adults, against them, the kids, and start working together to straighten things out?

Seriously, though, there were many options in this situation besides ignoring the issue or a verbal altercation ending in assault. For example, hipster could have let hoodie butt the line and get out of the store sooner. She could have asked the mom if she could buy the kids lollipops-kids have a hard time crying with their mouths full. Or she could simply have talked with her and shown some empathy for the obvious hard day she was having. Point is we are all so quick to be offended and jump straight to a fight when we should be working together.

And no, I'm not defending the lady who did the assault, she was clearly wrong, but the whole thing cold have gone a lot differently.
 
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#239
Spartacavolus said:
I haven't seen a single poster "defend" the mom who knocked out arrogant and rude skinny beatch.
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Maybe your posts don't "defend" the mom, but they do imply the "arrogant and rude skinny beatch" got what she deserved. I just don't buy that. I think she behaved inappropriately, but not enough to deserve a beatdown. To insinuate she brought it on herself is to excuse it.



Ras, I'm not sure how you can preach civility then spout off about "ratting" on people. If your order comes out wrong, are you ratting on the chef or your server when you ask to have it corrected? There's a reason it's called the "service" industry. A restaurant staff is there to ensure you enjoy yourself. The happier you are, generally, the larger tip you leave. If something is annoying you, they want to correct it so you'll feel that much more inclined to tip well. Complaining about an unruly child is not "ratting" anyone out.
 
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Weezer said:
Ras, I'm not sure how you can preach civility then spout off about "ratting" on people. If your order comes out wrong, are you ratting on the chef or your server when you ask to have it corrected? There's a reason it's called the "service" industry. A restaurant staff is there to ensure you enjoy yourself. The happier you are, generally, the larger tip you leave. If something is annoying you, they want to correct it so you'll feel that much more inclined to tip well. Complaining about an unruly child is not "ratting" anyone out.
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Well let me rephrase. I personally wouldn't have a problem with it. But I guarantee you that the problem table will be thinking that someone "ratted" on them.
 
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Weezer said:
Maybe your posts don't "defend" the mom, but they do imply the "arrogant and rude skinny beatch" got what she deserved. I just don't buy that. I think she behaved inappropriately, but not enough to deserve a beatdown. To insinuate she brought it on herself is to excuse it.
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I just read about 6 pages of what really felt like him defending it to me.

Spartacavolus said:
She doesn't get knocked out if she doesn't run her mouth. If she did nothing and got knocked out, different story. Not saying it's right, but don't whine about getting knocked tf out after you run your mouth.
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Spartacavolus said:
lady shouldn't have knocked her out. But when you run your mouth and tell somebody to go to hell (somebody that might have bigger personal issues going on than skinny girl is having), I understand it 100%.
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She shouldn't have done but.... Here's why it was really okay.
 
#242
#242
I hate other people's kids. I'll leave if there is a whiny brat around. I actually was a bratty little kid because I was autistic. My parents told me they couldn't take me to a grocery store because of it.

You won't have to worry about my kids because I won't have any.
 
#243
#243
Cdywolfe said:
I just read about 6 pages of what really felt like him defending it to me.





She shouldn't have done but.... Here's why it was really okay.
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You guys need learn that a straight up fact isnt really defending anything. For the nth time, the girl is never hit if she doesn't tell the mom to go to hell. Period. Has nothing to do with the mom being right or wrong. Action causes reaction, so don't whine about the reaction if your action caused it.
 
#244
#244
utvolpj said:
The thing most people without kids fail to realize is that there is no one who wants the kid to be quiet more than the parent. Saying something to the parent does absolutely nothing to help the situation and can only make it worse. This girl learned that lesson the hard way
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When I was a kid my parents handled public behavior the old fashion way. If we acted up, others didn't get bothered with it. Mom would leave everything where it rested, and take us home. We got jacked. When Dad got home, we got jacked again. But to this day, we are all still very cognizant of our public behavior, respecting both ourselves and others. We were not just raised. We were taught. Behavior, cooking, cleaning, washing clothes, fixing things. You name it.
 
#245
#245
Spartacavolus said:
You guys need learn that a straight up fact isnt really defending anything. For the nth time, the girl is never hit if she doesn't tell the mom to go to hell. Period. Has nothing to do with the mom being right or wrong. Action causes reaction, so don't whine about the reaction if your action caused it.
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I agree totally. If your actions to others are with anger, or complaint, or anything other than love, peace or understanding then your actions are wrong. Regardless of the other person.
 
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#246
#246
Spartacavolus said:
You guys need learn that a straight up fact isnt really defending anything. For the nth time, the girl is never hit if she doesn't tell the mom to go to hell. Period. Has nothing to do with the mom being right or wrong. Action causes reaction, so don't whine about the reaction if your action caused it.
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Do I need to point out the flawed logic? Action/reaction, you still have accountability. The mother escalated to a level of action that was unwarranted and illegal. Should the young woman now react by shooting the mother dead? Would that be justified? Your arguement seems to suggest it would.
 
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#247
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Weezer said:
Do I need to point out the flawed logic? Action/reaction, you still have accountability. The mother escalated to a level of action that was unwarranted and illegal. Should the young woman now react by shooting the mother dead? Would that be justified? Your arguement seems to suggest it would.
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Pointing out a fact isn't flawed logic. You not liking the fact is flawed.
The fact that the lady's words caused an idiot to act aggressively can't be changed or debated.
 
#248
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Spartacavolus said:
Pointing out a fact isn't flawed logic. You not liking the fact is flawed.
The fact that the lady's words caused an idiot to act aggressively can't be changed or debated.
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The fact that the mother failed to control her child caused an idiot to mouth off. The blame game is easy to play. Both sides have fault. That doesn't make it okay that the mother escalated to physical violence. It also doesn't make it the young woman's fault that the mother decided to go that route.
 
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#249
#249
I assure you all that the parents are dealing with a lot more stress than you when their kids are screaming. Just TRY to exercise a little patience.
 
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#250
Weezer said:
The fact that the mother failed to control her child caused an idiot to mouth off. The blame game is easy to play. Both sides have fault. That doesn't make it okay that the mother escalated to physical violence. It also doesn't make it the young woman's fault that the mother decided to go that route.
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whatever. It appears my common sense level is on a different level than yours. Next time, in that situation, if you want to tell a mom to go to hell, feel free.
I will sing "it's all about that base, bout that base, no treble" for @ a minute in my head, check out and drive away with my teeth in tact and no sign of a self absorbed ego that would require me to give said mom my opinion.
 
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