Paris Terror Attack Underway

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Grand Vol said:
Huff also believes in live and let live. Non-interventionist standing of the United States. A world without borders. So on and so forth.

And he's all about individual rights. And if individuals gather up to take matters into their own hands when their government has failed, he says it's a bad thing. Let me go ahead and say France, Germany, the UK and even the US are bringing this on themselves. And many others. We have allowed thousands of so called refugees into the nations without even one thought of what their backgrounds were. All we know is they came from a war torn country where front lines don't exist. It's impossible to tell friend from foe save their word for it.

And with some reports of 90% of them being military aged men, that's a recipe for disaster. We know ISIS has publicly stated they want to attack targets in the Western world. And the governments basically opened the doors and threw out the welcome mat for them. So when individuals have had enough of their government basically inviting attacks on our own soil, it's not a mob mentality. It's called the people actually standing up for what they believe in after they get tired of their governments failing.
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I understand what you're saying, but setting fires and potentially harming innocents is "standing up for what they believe in"? Let's say a black guy kills a white girl in a small country town. Some angry white dudes find a random group of black people and beat them to death in retaliation. Are they "standing up for what they believe in" too?
 
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There is no simple solution because this is a complex situation will blame lying at the feet of both those who love freedom and how they've handled things so far and those who seek to destroy the West and it's lifestyle.

Rather than tear each other down we need to at least recognize that strategic decisions (whether interventionist or non-interventionist; whether aimed at inclusion or aimed at removing the threat) will have unintended consequences.

Radical Islamic terrorists will continue to seek our destruction.
 
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Grand Vol said:
And you accuse me of using a strawman argument lol
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Well, i asked a question. I didn't say that was your position. This is a response to your straw man. You made an argument that had nothing to do with my point. You can't go indiscriminately burning refugee camps in response. That's mob mentality. You are acting as if I'm saying ISIS is any better. You are acting like i said there shouldn't be a response.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So the owners of the Omni should go out and kill a few Muslims to show their support instead?
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Is that what he said?

Could just not doing anything have been an option?

You saw him criticize one action and you immediately jumped to the polar opposite as an alternative, going well past doing nothing.

Relax
 
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FLVOL69 said:
It fits perfectly with your alleged Muslim paranoia/ secret agent conspiracies . Just because you choose to keep your head buried doesn't mean the rest of us are as well.
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Just go ahead and say it had nothing to do with my actual post, no need to be dishonest about it.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I understand what you're saying, but setting fires and potentially harming innocents is "standing up for what they believe in"? Let's say a black guy kills a white girl in a small country town. Some angry white dudes find a random group of black people and beat them to death in retaliation. Are they "standing up for what they believe in" too?
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So these fires were set intentionally? Was the train derailment intentional?

How much information is available at the moment?
 
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Rasputin_Vol said:
Is that what he said?

Could just not doing anything have been an option?

You saw him criticize one action and you immediately jumped to the polar opposite as an alternative, going well past doing nothing.

Relax
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**** your relax statements. You are in way over your head here with your limited knowledge and complete lack of understanding of anything related to what's going on.

So sure, we could be cold and reserved and not do a damn thing. Absolutely. It's not like the French didn't support us after 9/11 or send in support after Hurricane Katrina or any number of times in our past. But they did because it's what friends do. And in turn Americans remember that friendship and show their support.

Please just shut up and bow out of this conversation for your own sake. You have no idea what you're talking about nor have the mental capacity to offer anything of substance to the debate here.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I don't have to do anything to give myself an edge, your rant about Obama being a secret agent saboteur speaks for itself. If you want to be taken seriously, act like a serious adult.
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Your defense of the POTUS is amusing.
Was it wise or correct for him to do a nationally televised interview and proclaim ISIS is contained just hours before the Paris attacks?
 
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MercyPercy said:
Thanks, I wasn't aware.



Confirmation bias.

If this is all the "proof" you require to form your opinion, you are easily manipulated. Nothing in this short paragraph suggests your claim is anything other than paranoid ramblings.



Ah, now we're getting to what really grinds your gears. The religious aspect of it. Because he doesn't put Christians up on a high enough pedestal for you, or doesn't love "isreal" enough, you feel like a persecuted Christian. I suspected the underlying theme of Christianity vs. Islam influenced your emotions a great deal, and I was correct.



I bet you watch Bigfoot shows or Ancient aliens and put 2+2 together there as well. That's just an indication of your deduction and reasoning skills.
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So that's adult conversation? What did you want a 100 page essay? Everything I said is factual. Nothing 'paranoid' about that. (same technique as overusing the word 'tantrum' I see). There is a point where you do you're own research unless you are a lazy bum who already thinks he knows it all because he read a handful of books and got a sheet of paper telling him he is smart.


The fact that you spewed all of that hot garbage above tells me know that not only do you have a comprehension issue but also an agenda of your own. I didn't really champion any religious belief. I cited some brief examples as to why I thought the way I did. You have an issue with religion in general. You tried to pass it off on me, but it is you who has the issue. That's pretty intellectually(use this word loosely) dishonest of you.

I also find it pathetic that you attempt to lump a man's own words and actions with other far fetched conspiracy theories to trivialize what I said. Just more dishonest behavior from some lazy bum who will never think anything is a crisis until something happens to him or someone close to him. People like you are in the way. Your mentality is what will allow more terrorist attacks like the one yesterday to continue to occur.

Amazes me how many pseudo intellectual hipsters like this guy thinks they have it all figured out only to realize they are clueless to the world around them. Maybe you can go find and hug you a Muslim today. Tell them how much you are glad they are here.
 
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Grand Vol said:
So these fires were set intentionally? Was the train derailment intentional?

How much information is available at the moment?
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I think we were operating under the assumption that since the camp being on fire was "good", one would also not have a problem with setting said fires. That's at least how I took it from Hog's post.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Your defense of the POTUS is amusing.
Was it wise or correct for him to do a nationally televised interview and proclaim ISIS is contained just hours before the Paris attacks?
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MercyPercy said:
I think Obama has been an awful president. Terrible policy, terrible leader, a product of this day and age where appearances are everything and substance matters little.
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Fascinating.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I think we were operating under the assumption that since the camp being on fire was "good", one would also not have a problem with setting said fires. That's at least how I took it from Hog's post.
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Ah, so the mob mentality of saying a fire was "good" immediately translates into tacit support for killing of innocents and even wanting to set said fire ourselves.

Got it.
 
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ReaderVol said:
Your defense of the POTUS is amusing.
Was it wise or correct for him to do a nationally televised interview and proclaim ISIS is contained just hours before the Paris attacks?
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It's a legitimate question to ask if our administration understands the nature of threat and/or is telling the public something different than what they (govt) really knows.

To make such a critique is distinct from "Obama is a Muslim".

Dismissing any questioning of the government's competency on this (through mockery) is as dumb as thinking Obama is a secret muslim.

It's crazy how we cannot talk about issues without someone rushing to the defense (right or left) and mocking those who brought up the critique rather than sticking to the issue.

At a minimum, going public with a statement suggesting the ISIS threat is contained shortly before a horrific attack from ISIS is at a minimum an embarrassment for the POTUS. I hope it was just political posturing and not reflective of a deeper misunderstanding of the threat.
 
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MercyPercy said:
I don't have to do anything to give myself an edge, your rant about Obama being a secret agent saboteur speaks for itself. If you want to be taken seriously, act like a serious adult.
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Only in your own delusional eyes. I don't care if you take me seriously or not, because you or your opinion really don't mean anything to me. I'm just laughing at your hypocrisy that you are completely blind to. If you want to be taken seriously, I would advise you to stop posting in threads you are way in over your head on. Maybe organize a peace protest, light a candle, or whatever it is cupcakes like you enjoy doing when the heat starts turning up.
 
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I think this is a new record. My Facebook feed was free of NUKE THE MIDDLE EAST for a whole 3 hours. Maybe we are making progress.
 
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sanddune50 said:
Only in your own delusional eyes. I don't care if you take me seriously or not, because you or your opinion really don't mean anything to me. I'm just laughing at your hypocrisy that are completely blind to. If you want to be taken seriously, I would advise you to stop posting in threads you are way in over your head on. Maybe organize a peace protest, light a candle, or whatever it is cupcakes like you enjoy doing when the heat starts turning up.
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You are clearly in over your head to anyone with sentience.
 
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sammyhagar said:
You keep posting that. You don't really understand how that works.

Nuke all the Muslims amirite?
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Actually I understand it perfectly. You and guys like MercyPercy make these ridiculous takes and hold yourselves in high regard when 99.9% of everyone else that reads your posts think you're drooling sloth like imbeciles. Perfect application. Of course part of the effect is not knowing that it applies to you, so I can see why you are the equivalent of a deer in headlights when I post a link or make the comments that I do.

And that last part, did I say that? No I didn't. So try your little grade school parlor tricks in another thread or forum or with other simpletons that may work on.

I think we should have a separate political forum for people like yourself that isn't intellectually competent to be in this one. We can call it 'pre'politics or 'special'politics. That way you don't lower the collective IQ with some of your mind numbing ....lol....contributions. Now scram kid, the adults are talking.
 
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