Parting ways with recruits.

#27
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volatil said:
I know for fact this staff uses tact when recruiting. They were upfront with a certain QB/S now WR. He was told from the start he would get a shot at QB. If it didn't work, he would have a position change.

Recruits take to Twitter when they are "wronged". Knowing what I know about how they approached that recruit, I will trust this staff (especially the HC) to inform players of their status upfront.

Recruiting is slimy. You can be assured CBJ tells these kids from the start if there is a remote possibility of a position change or the recruit losing their spot.
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Bruin, read.
 
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The Gators sucked. Their coach is a sappy goofball and they have a top 5 class. Their fans are chompin in my face for another year. Great. Go figure.
 
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jason3713 said:
Michigan and now Georgia have let recruits go the last two days. Georgia insiders are saying they might drop two more before signing day.

Please stop with this how bad Butch is for dropping a recruit. If you want to play with the big boys of the SEC this will happen. If you have someone in and someone better wants in, this is the way it works.
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Who said life is fair! Such moves are typical these days.
 
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BruinVol said:
Championship programs recruit elite players


Championship programs develop nfl players


The dropping of commits is our staffs way of correcting their poor inability to evaluate under the radar recruits Early in the process. Our roster proves that being the case.

I am sooooo thankful we are willing to drop players because this staff is very very overrated in evaluating players outside to the top levels of the recruiting services early on on the process. No chance this staff could survive without dropping 3-5 kids a cycle
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Cam Sutton, Corey Vereen, Dylan Wiesman, Brett Kendrick, Malik Foreman, Josh Smith, Kendal Vickers, Ethan Wolf, Jashon Robertson, Coleman Thomas, Emmanuel Moseley and Owen Williams all say hello.

Butch & Co. are some of the best in college football at evaluating talent.
 
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The states of Georgia and Alabama are loaded with talent. That is why they are doing well and will continue to do well. It has nothing to do with logic.
 
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VolsDeep_5 said:
Cam Sutton, Corey Vereen, Dylan Wiesman, Brett Kendrick, Malik Foreman, Josh Smith, Kendal Vickers, Ethan Wolf, Jashon Robertson, Coleman Thomas, Emmanuel Moseley and Owen Williams all say hello.

Butch & Co. are some of the best in college football at evaluating talent.
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Evaluated Christmas-Giles and Kongbo before they got their bumps this year. Same with Von Pearson and Chris Weatherd in past years.
 
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I understand it, get it and still dont like it. I dont need you starting a new thread telling me what I can and cant like.
I dont care what UGA or anyone else does, I hold my school like I try to hold myself to a higher standard.
 
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The bottom line is good recruiting is what keeps any major program rolling along and being successful. Don't get me wrong coaching is important too but Recruiting good players gives the coaching staff job security. Do you think CBJ and his assistants want to be unemployed? If they have a chance to bring in a player that they feel is better and drop one that is less talented of course they will do so. Look what happened to Coach Fulmer with his lazy recruiting and poor evaluations post 2004. It lead to him getting canned. You have to get the Studs to compete at a high level.
 
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Tennessee has been right near the top or lead the nation in offers to recruits the last few years. A ton of those offers go out extremely early. It stands to make sense that on the surface it looks like UT is better at early evaluation. I think it's just the throwing out a boatload of meaningless offers and hitting on a few. When some are recruited by other SEC programs, fans point to it. Meanwhile the 231 who end up at the Marylands or NcStates are whatever. Tossing out 100 mote offers than some schools is ok by me. Butch's focus should be on properly evaluating talent before taking commitments as a result of those offers. Otherwise he is doing fine.
 
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BruinVol is notoriously one of, if not the most, unintelligent posters on this site. I'm not sure why anyone is even surprised at this point.
 
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BruinVol said:
Championship programs recruit elite players


Championship programs develop nfl players


The dropping of commits is our staffs way of correcting their poor inability to evaluate under the radar recruits Early in the process. Our roster proves that being the case.

I am sooooo thankful we are willing to drop players because this staff is very very overrated in evaluating players outside to the top levels of the recruiting services early on on the process. No chance this staff could survive without dropping 3-5 kids a cycle
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Thats right!!!! Take the elite everytime.

My only disagreement with the staff is taking early commits from players that lower tier teams are fighting to get
 
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sanddune50 said:
Evaluated Christmas-Giles and Kongbo before they got their bumps this year. Same with Von Pearson and Chris Weatherd in past years.
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Good point. Forgot about those guys. Didn't we have Carlin Fils-Aime on our radar before he got a bump, also?
 
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VolsDeep_5 said:
Cam Sutton, Corey Vereen, Dylan Wiesman, Brett Kendrick, Malik Foreman, Josh Smith, Kendal Vickers, Ethan Wolf, Jashon Robertson, Coleman Thomas, Emmanuel Moseley and Owen Williams all say hello.

Butch & Co. are some of the best in college football at evaluating talent.
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Well I wasn't going to respond again in this thread but this was a grooved BP fastball

Sutton-DD recruit
Vereen-DD recruit
Wiesman- flipped late in the process
Kendrick-DD recruit
Foreman- late flip
Smith-DD recruit
Vickers-signed after NSD was USCe commit
Wolf- elite level recruit beat out Alabama
Roberson- late flip
Thomas- #2ranked center in USA by scout
Williams-flipped late in the process



Moseley-flipped fairly early in the process.


The above post exactly proves my point about this staff not being able to evaluate kids early in the process unless they are no brainers highly thought of by the services.

We are succeeding at best at a 25% rate of committing lower ranked kids and then them finding a role on our roster.

It's exactly why this staff needs to stop taking fringy kids early in the process


We can flip guys later in the process that can really help like foreman, Roberson, Williams....



Thanks for making my point


Wait longer and take other programs under the radar talent that can really help should be the strategy Because the roster we have now proves that is our staffs strength
 
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Recruits decommit all the time, many on siging day. They aren't raked over the coals for it so I don't see why schools should be. Works both ways!
 
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volboy81 said:
Recruits decommit all the time, many on siging day. They aren't raked over the coals for it so I don't see why schools should be. Works both ways!
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Can't lump them altogether. If you allow commitments to take visits the last month or so before nsd, of course you will lose some. It just makes sense. If the kid commits and then takes no visits, he's not doing what those NSD flips are doing. He's not taking trips. He's staying committed. He acts like a commitment. Dropping him isn't the same at all. If a kid has been committed for months and hasn't been taking trips, rarely do you ever lose one on NSD that wasn't forced out.

Guys like Hart, Marshall, and Chidi were not shopping themselves around. They were committed. Report is Butch told Buchanan not to take a trip to OSU or his spot was in jeopardy. I'm fine with that. You can't lump a situation like Hart or a Swenson from Michigan in with your generalization. They were not looking at options. They were committed.
 
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volboy81 said:
Recruits decommit all the time, many on siging day. They aren't raked over the coals for it so I don't see why schools should be. Works both ways!
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X10. One 4 star commit flipping away on NSD causes a cascade effect and kneejerk backfill can occur. In musical chairs, when the music stops you are out if you don't find a seat. These kids understand that. Some end up getting burned, but at this stage, a kid can still find a home. Sucks when it happens to be NSD when it happens.
 
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BruinVol said:
Well I wasn't going to respond again in this thread but this was a grooved BP fastball

Sutton-DD recruit
Vereen-DD recruit
Wiesman- flipped late in the process
Kendrick-DD recruit
Foreman- late flip
Smith-DD recruit
Vickers-signed after NSD was USCe commit
Wolf- elite level recruit beat out Alabama
Roberson- late flip
Thomas- #2ranked center in USA by scout
Williams-flipped late in the process



Moseley-flipped fairly early in the process.


The above post exactly proves my point about this staff not being able to evaluate kids early in the process unless they are no brainers highly thought of by the services.

We are succeeding at best at a 25% rate of committing lower ranked kids and then them finding a role on our roster.

It's exactly why this staff needs to stop taking fringy kids early in the process


We can flip guys later in the process that can really help like foreman, Roberson, Williams....



Thanks for making my point


Wait longer and take other programs under the radar talent that can really help should be the strategy Because the roster we have now proves that is our staffs strength
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You recruit guys early because it gives you an advantage in the long run if you were one of the first big-time programs to offer. You don't beat out programs like UGA, BAMA, UF, LSU, etc. by showing up late to the party. Not on a consistent basis anyways.

Sometimes the guys we recruit early don't pan out. That's the cost of doing business.

But please - continue to bless us with your superior knowledge. Blue font.
 
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