Pat McAfee Situation with ESPN

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LouderVol said:
on the one hand you say they didn't face consequences based on their unfavorable opinions, then you go on to explain how their unfavorable opinions cost them money.
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You mentioned Kyrie Irving and Novak Jokovic and compared it to Rodgers. They specifically missed games and tournaments because of their status, not because of their opinions. I was not talking about public opinion consequences or sponsorship money.

I also included the qualifier "...that Kimmel publicly disagreed with." because the context is he thinks Kimmel's intent was to destroy his career. Being an anti-vaxxer can hurt your $, but this wasn't Rodgers quietly following his beliefs and then getting outted by Kimmel. Rodgers has been totally outspoken, brought this on himself, and we're supposed to be blaming Kimmel for the consequences Rodgers has faced because Kimmel was kind of mean about his disagreement? Rodgers owns all of this.
 
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n_huffhines said:
You mentioned Kyrie Irving and Novak Jokovic and compared it to Rodgers. They specifically missed games and tournaments because of their status, not because of their opinions. I was not talking about public opinion consequences or sponsorship money.

I also included the qualifier "...that Kimmel publicly disagreed with." because the context is he thinks Kimmel's intent was to destroy his career. Being an anti-vaxxer can hurt your $, but this wasn't Rodgers quietly following his beliefs and then getting outted by Kimmel. Rodgers has been totally outspoken, brought this on himself, and we're supposed to be blaming Kimmel for the consequences Rodgers has faced because Kimmel was kind of mean about his disagreement? Rodgers owns all of this.
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no, Rodgers had been quiet about being anti-vax. its why no one knew he wasn't vaccinated in 2021 until the interview with Mcafee in November. not sure how waiting through half the season is being "totally outspoken". and his outspoken-ness was all personal. he was allergic to all of the vaccines except J&J, and by that point it was known J&J had some problems, and he was merely voicing his objections based on the problems that were known at the time, and gave that as to why he didn't get them. that shouldn't be a problem, for anyone, to say I am not doing X because of my reasons Y. Y being a publicly known fact.

he lost his first sponsor 1 day after the interview where he said he wasn't vaccinated. so its not like he had some long run up of bad mouthing the industry that eventually lost him money. it was 100% a reaction to him not being vaxxed.

then people attacked and he got more outspoken as people inserted themselves into his medical decisions. Kimmel jumped in because it was popular and fed the opinions that cost Rodgers money.
 
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LouderVol said:
no, Rodgers had been quiet about being anti-vax. its why no one knew he wasn't vaccinated in 2021 until the interview with Mcafee in November. not sure how waiting through half the season is being "totally outspoken". and his outspoken-ness was all personal. he was allergic to all of the vaccines except J&J, and by that point it was known J&J had some problems, and he was merely voicing his objections based on the problems that were known at the time, and gave that as to why he didn't get them. that shouldn't be a problem, for anyone, to say I am not doing X because of my reasons Y. Y being a publicly known fact.

he lost his first sponsor 1 day after the interview where he said he wasn't vaccinated. so its not like he had some long run up of bad mouthing the industry that eventually lost him money. it was 100% a reaction to him not being vaxxed.

then people attacked and he got more outspoken as people inserted themselves into his medical decisions. Kimmel jumped in because it was popular and fed the opinions that cost Rodgers money.
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All good points that he’ll ignore
 
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Cdywolfe said:
And he referred to you as the resident libertarian. Not really that hard to follow. I even quoted it lol.
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What do you think I didn't follow? I got that part. Still no idea what this thread has to do with libertarianism. You said "this guy claims to be libertarian" as if my positions here contradict that. Not really hard to follow.
 
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n_huffhines said:
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What do you think I didn't follow? I got that part. Still no idea what this thread has to do with libertarianism. You said "this guy claims to be libertarian" as if my positions here contradict that. Not really hard to follow.
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Again he referred to you as the resident libertarian. I assume that meant you’d claimed to be one once or twice. If you haven’t then sorry I guess. Lol
 
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LouderVol said:
no, Rodgers had been quiet about being anti-vax. its why no one knew he wasn't vaccinated in 2021 until the interview with Mcafee in November. not sure how waiting through half the season is being "totally outspoken". and his outspoken-ness was all personal. he was allergic to all of the vaccines except J&J, and by that point it was known J&J had some problems, and he was merely voicing his objections based on the problems that were known at the time, and gave that as to why he didn't get them. that shouldn't be a problem, for anyone, to say I am not doing X because of my reasons Y. Y being a publicly known fact.

he lost his first sponsor 1 day after the interview where he said he wasn't vaccinated. so its not like he had some long run up of bad mouthing the industry that eventually lost him money. it was 100% a reaction to him not being vaxxed.

then people attacked and he got more outspoken as people inserted themselves into his medical decisions. Kimmel jumped in because it was popular and fed the opinions that cost Rodgers money.
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Wait, when you speak on it determines how outspoken you are? That doesn't really make sense.

Rodgers didn't just say "I'm not vaccinated" on the McAfee show. He made all kinds statements and claims.
 
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Cdywolfe said:
Again he referred to you as the resident libertarian. I assume that meant you’d claimed to be one once or twice. If you haven’t then sorry I guess. Lol
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I am libertarian. What I've said in this thread has nothing to do with libertarianism and my positions are not in conflict with it. People who don't like my opinions and can't think of anything else to say often go with the move to question my libertarianism, even though I have 13 solid years of history here never siding with the nanny state. That's definitely what Butch was doing because he's a total waste of time who is on ignore. It's what it appeared you were doing too, but if not, then you're good.
 
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LouderVol said:
no, Rodgers had been quiet about being anti-vax. its why no one knew he wasn't vaccinated in 2021 until the interview with Mcafee in November. not sure how waiting through half the season is being "totally outspoken". and his outspoken-ness was all personal. he was allergic to all of the vaccines except J&J, and by that point it was known J&J had some problems, and he was merely voicing his objections based on the problems that were known at the time, and gave that as to why he didn't get them. that shouldn't be a problem, for anyone, to say I am not doing X because of my reasons Y. Y being a publicly known fact.

he lost his first sponsor 1 day after the interview where he said he wasn't vaccinated. so its not like he had some long run up of bad mouthing the industry that eventually lost him money. it was 100% a reaction to him not being vaxxed.

then people attacked and he got more outspoken as people inserted themselves into his medical decisions. Kimmel jumped in because it was popular and fed the opinions that cost Rodgers money.
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Let's say all of that were true.

Does that justify Rodgers implying that those that criticized him (such as Kimmel) are child molesters?
 
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n_huffhines said:
People saying Kimmel overreacted have no idea how much weight these accusations can hold among the conspiratorial-minded. Just putting the implication out there is enough for a good fraction of the country to believe he's a pedo.

Example, my buddy told me P Diddy tries to make people in the industry gay and wouldn't sign Chris Brown because he wouldn't let him bang him. He sends me a youtube video that has someone explaining "it has been reported that in an interview Chris Brown said Diddy tried to make him gay." I Google it and all I can find are other youtube videos making this same claim. There is no clip. There is no direct quote anywhere. Just people believing the claim and making repeater videos, and now a million people probably believe it.

This is how this crowd works. You can't cast these aspersions on people. It's not a joke to them. They will spend the rest of their lives repeating these allegations online. They will harrass you and your family, in some cases. If you said it in a standup set, then yeah, but people didn't think Rodgers was joking.

Just look at Chrissy Teagan. They think she's a pedo and when she had a still-born baby, all of them came out of the woodwork to say stuff like "She shouldn't have a baby, she's a pedo" on posts about her misfortune. This crowd is out of control.
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n_huffhines said:
People saying Kimmel overreacted have no idea how much weight these accusations can hold among the conspiratorial-minded. Just putting the implication out there is enough for a good fraction of the country to believe he's a pedo.

Example, my buddy told me P Diddy tries to make people in the industry gay and wouldn't sign Chris Brown because he wouldn't let him bang him. He sends me a youtube video that has someone explaining "it has been reported that in an interview Chris Brown said Diddy tried to make him gay." I Google it and all I can find are other youtube videos making this same claim. There is no clip. There is no direct quote anywhere. Just people believing the claim and making repeater videos, and now a million people probably believe it.

This is how this crowd works. You can't cast these aspersions on people. It's not a joke to them. They will spend the rest of their lives repeating these allegations online. They will harrass you and your family, in some cases. If you said it in a standup set, then yeah, but people didn't think Rodgers was joking.

Just look at Chrissy Teagan. They think she's a pedo and when she had a still-born baby, all of them came out of the woodwork to say stuff like "She shouldn't have a baby, she's a pedo" on posts about her misfortune. This crowd is out of control.
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This is the worst story I have ever heard.
 
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K-town Vol Fan said:
Well who didn't see this coming

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If this was McAfee's decision, I would guess this reflects how he feels about Rodgers' Epstein comment about Kimmel...but maybe it was just a money decision. Doubtful. Seems like Rodgers is good for ratings.

I think it's very plausible that it was PM's decision. He had no problem blasting his boss last week, and if they put the screws to him over this, doesn't seem like he'd be quiet about it.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Wait, when you speak on it determines how outspoken you are? That doesn't really make sense.

Rodgers didn't just say "I'm not vaccinated" on the McAfee show. He made all kinds statements and claims.
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yeah I covered his statements and claims. he was allergic and brought up many of the issues the vaccines actually had, and used that as justification, but Pfizer and the FDA weren't admitting to at the time. I can't remember the exact timeline but those two held onto 100% safe 100% effective for far too long, even before the first studies came out saying anything. Rodgers was pointing that out, and got lit up for it. didn't matter that at least some of his claims were proven true (not 100% effective, not 100% safe), he came out against the narrative.

and considering he started losing his sponsors 1 day after making the statement, yeah I would say the timing is pretty determinant in the matter, and tends to say one isn't very outspoken. and considering Rodgers didn't even bring up the subject matter himself in the interview would further go to show he wasn't outspoken. at the time he could have made those comments once and dropped it, and no one would consider him "outspoken", but it wouldn't have mattered, the sponsors were already reacting.
 
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LouderVol said:
yeah I covered his statements and claims. he was allergic and brought up many of the issues the vaccines actually had, and used that as justification, but Pfizer and the FDA weren't admitting to at the time. I can't remember the exact timeline but those two held onto 100% safe 100% effective for far too long, even before the first studies came out saying anything. Rodgers was pointing that out, and got lit up for it. didn't matter that at least some of his claims were proven true (not 100% effective, not 100% safe), he came out against the narrative.

and considering he started losing his sponsors 1 day after making the statement, yeah I would say the timing is pretty determinant in the matter, and tends to say one isn't very outspoken. and considering Rodgers didn't even bring up the subject matter himself in the interview would further go to show he wasn't outspoken. at the time he could have made those comments once and dropped it, and no one would consider him "outspoken", but it wouldn't have mattered, the sponsors were already reacting.
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Here is the very first headline from Pfizer telling us it was not 100% effective.

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www.washingtonpost.com

For the most part, you make good defenses of the things you are bringing up, but you aren't bringing up everything that he said. There's plenty of fodder here. Rodgers makes plenty of terrible arguments that are probably convincing to many people. Apparently it may have worked on you because to this day you thought Pfizer was claiming 100% effective.

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www.si.com
 
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“When you hear a guy who won a Super Bowl and did all the State Farm commercials say something like this. A lot of people believe – a lot of delusional people honestly believe – I am meeting up with Tom Hanks and Oprah Winfrey once a week to eat pizza and drink the blood of children.

“I know this because I hear from these people often. My wife hears from them. My kids hear from them. My poor mailman hears from these people. And now we’re hearing from lots more of them, thanks to Aaron Rodgers" - Jimmy Kimmel

This **** is 100% real. People believe this stuff. My best friend from high school and my closest cousin both believe this about Hollywood elites drinking the blood of children (all liberals, of course). I don't think my people bother anybody, but they're on the normal side of things. Plenty of the crazies do act on their beliefs and Kimmel is not ************.
 
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n_huffhines said:
“When you hear a guy who won a Super Bowl and did all the State Farm commercials say something like this. A lot of people believe – a lot of delusional people honestly believe – I am meeting up with Tom Hanks and Oprah Winfrey once a week to eat pizza and drink the blood of children.

“I know this because I hear from these people often. My wife hears from them. My kids hear from them. My poor mailman hears from these people. And now we’re hearing from lots more of them, thanks to Aaron Rodgers" - Jimmy Kimmel

This **** is 100% real. People believe this stuff. My best friend from high school and my closest cousin both believe this about Hollywood elites drinking the blood of children (all liberals, of course). I don't think my people bother anybody, but they're on the normal side of things. Plenty of the crazies do act on their beliefs and Kimmel is not ************.
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Boo hoo… I can tell this really hurt your butt.

Again, maybe he shouldn’t have dipped his toe in the waters of unprovoked personal attacks and character assassinations. He’s now learning about consequences.

And you wanna talk crazies? There were websites dedicated to celebrating the deaths of the unvaccinated, including children. There was a non-insignificant portion of society who thought they should be moved to camps and not receive life-saving medical care. They were second class citizens in many parts of this country. They relentlessly had their intelligence and moral fiber insulted. This was all due to lies and hatred spewed by people like Jimmy Kimmel. Lies and hatred that divided families, friendships, communities, and work places. I can’t say it enough times. He is not a f’n victim.
 
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He is however, whether knowingly or not, a puppet for the ruling class and I don’t see how somebody who claims to care about liberty could spend so much time simpimg for him. But you do you I guess…
 
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