Pat Robertson is an ignorant fool! I swear.... no wonder people hate christians!

[overseasorange2]

Yea OK. And I guess he sent Katrina to punish all those sinners in N.O. Your next San Francisco. Look what he has already done to the 49'ers.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Yea OK. And I guess he sent Katrina to punish all those sinners in N.O. Your next San Francisco. Look what he has already done to the 49'ers.

LOL. Sodom = San Fran and Gomorrah = Oakland. The Raiders are clearly a part of that punishment. Al Davis is proof.

 

[IPorange]

:lolabove:
Well done! I'm sure someone in DC actually believes this.
As for PR, I'm just embarrassed as a Christian. I believe I saw where 80% of the Haitians are Catholics.
Just amazing that some people can view the world and God like this.

Many Haitians identify themselves as Catholics, but are actually worshipping a pantheon of west African gods that have been combined with saints (voodoo). There are elements of Christianity, but we would not call it that.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

IP you kill me. If we are getting technical, the supposed curse that we do not actually know occured has since expired.

There is nothing crazy or evil about the people of Haiti.

 

[IPorange]

IP you kill me. If we are getting technical, the supposed curse that we do not actually know occured has since expired.

There is nothing crazy or evil about the people of Haiti.

Dude, I totally agree. I think Catholics are far more evil than Voodooists.

 

[OrangeEmpire]

LOL!

I knew we are of one mind!

 

[CSpindizzy]

Interesting perspective: Pat Robertson Was Wrong: The Curse on Haiti Came from Thomas Jefferson

 

[OrangeEmpire]

Like I said, no one truly knows to what extent the pact with Satan was.

I mean, they wanted the French out and found any excuse to do it.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Everyone is harping on the whole aspect if this was factual history or not. Folklore says 'yes' and folklore says 'no'. In Pat's very twisted ways of getting a point across, the point of all of this is that this country basically is 'cursed', 'jinxed', down on its luck, whatever you want to call it. The history of Haiti is not a good one. Attribute it to who or what you want. Pat took an odd route to get to a point of this country just having a complete history of bad times.

In this same moment you had Danny Glover making assertions that a lack of passing something at Copenhagen caused this earthquake. I guess Gaia, mother earth, the planet itself, or some other driving force of earth spirits follows the legislative process and punishes us based on a yea or nay vote. But little was made of this comment. Needless to say there are fools on all sides - even ones with good intentions who suffer from foot and mouth disease and many who try to advance some other agenda in the process.

 

[IPorange]

Danny Glover said he wasn't implying that the earthquake was caused by global climate change, but rather the world needed to come together more on disaster mitigation and recovery, which in his opinion included GCC related issues.

But I know that isn't as useful on message boards.

 

[volfanjustin]

Danny Glover said he wasn't implying that the earthquake was caused by global climate change, but rather the world needed to come together more on disaster mitigation and recovery, which in his opinion included GCC related issues.

But I know that isn't as useful on message boards.

That is not true, did you even listen to his original statement?

 

[IPorange]

That is not true, did you even listen to his original statement?

Yes I did, and I heard him clarify what he meant later.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Danny Glover said he wasn't implying that the earthquake was caused by global climate change, but rather the world needed to come together more on disaster mitigation and recovery, which in his opinion included GCC related issues.

But I know that isn't as useful on message boards.

Odd. That is not what I said he said. Obviously distorting quotes is useful on messageboards. Please go back and listen to the interview. Your opinion in theory (there's that word again) should change.

 

[IPorange]

Odd. That is not what I said he said. Obviously distorting quotes is useful on messageboards. Please go back and listen to the interview. Your opinion in theory (there's that word again) should change.

He clarified his statements later.

 

[CSpindizzy]

Yes I did, and I heard him clarify what he meant later.

It's clear what he said and what he meant. It's convenient to change and 'clarify' once you've made a fool of yourself and people jump on you for it. You listen to the whole interview. You look at what Glover has said in the past.

If we're including 'clarifications' also include Pat's as well.

 

[volfanjustin]

Yes I did, and I heard him clarify what he meant later.

How he might have tried to clarify his statement means nothing, his original statement blames the earthquake on global warming and climate change. He can try to spin it now but its clear what he meant.

 

[IPorange]

It isn't the first time Danny Glover has said something stupid, nor is it Robertson's.

I haven't heard Robertson's "clarification." I'd be interested to hear it.

 

[CSpindizzy]

It isn't the first time Danny Glover has said something stupid, nor is it Robertson's.

I haven't heard Robertson's "clarification." I'd be interested to hear it.

I was told Google is an excellent source.

 

[KB5252]

It isn't the first time Danny Glover has said something stupid, nor is it Robertson's.

I haven't heard Robertson's "clarification." I'd be interested to hear it.

I don't care to hear "clarification" from either. Both statements were and are stupid. The fact that Glover went back and tried to do some damage control on his statement tells me that he must not really believe what he is preaching. At least Robertson has his convictions and stands by them stupid as they may be.

 

[IPorange]

No problem:

Statement Regarding Pat Robertson's Comments on Haiti

CBN.com – VIRGINIA BEACH, Va., January 13, 2010 -- On today’s The 700 Club, during a segment about the devastation, suffering and humanitarian effort that is needed in Haiti, Dr. Robertson also spoke about Haiti’s history. His comments were based on the widely-discussed 1791 slave rebellion led by Boukman Dutty at Bois Caiman, where the slaves allegedly made a famous pact with the devil in exchange for victory over the French. This history, combined with the horrible state of the country, has led countless scholars and religious figures over the centuries to believe the country is cursed. Dr. Robertson never stated that the earthquake was God’s wrath. If you watch the entire video segment, Dr. Robertson’s compassion for the people of Haiti is clear. He called for prayer for them. His humanitarian arm has been working to help thousands of people in Haiti over the last year, and they are currently launching a major relief and recovery effort to help the victims of this disaster. They have sent a shipment of millions of dollars worth of medications that is now in Haiti, and their disaster team leaders are expected to arrive tomorrow and begin operations to ease the suffering.

Chris Roslan
Spokesman for CBN

Well, apparently he never SAID Haiti was receiving divine punishment! Glad we got that cleared up.

 

[rjd970]

Any defense of Robertson and/or Glover, including their "clarifications" is asinine. Both are first class idiots.

 

[GVF]

? No idea what you are talking about.

I am talking about this from a christian perspective.

Jesus is my savior and I took him literally with the new law.

Instead of the blow hard talking about a pact with Satan the blow hard should have been talking about Christ's love for all people and how we can help them.

I am harder on christians because we are the example.

Like I said, I'll keep praying for you!

:hi:

Excellent post. With you on everything and a new law christian as well. despise those with the means to command an audience that totally bung hole true christian ideology like he does. Blatantly judgmental and anit-scripture.

 

[gsvol]

Justin already stated the crusades are off limits because it happend like a long time ago or something.

Far worse has been done in the name of jihad for islam in the 20th century than was ever done during the crusades for Christianity of a thousand years ago and even then the crusades were done in in defense rather than jihad which is always meant to be done as an offensive move for islam.

Gs, do you know that people actually believe that we are the same person.

That was funny!

My point is simply that the principle of blessing and cursing of nations based upon the choices made by their societies does exist and is still in effect today. To deny that there are truths in the Bible other than the path to salvation is wrong.

And that point is worth consideration!!

Do you really want to use Serbia as an example? If so, let's look at both sides of the equation. Aren't these the same Christian Serbs that were responsible for the genocide of nearly a quarter million Bosnian Muslims? The ones who systematically raped Muslim women?
The Serbs led by Milosevic against whom the international community united?
The very same Serbs who sniped civilians, including women and children, in the streets of Sarajevo?


Let us also not forget the crusades, the inquisition, the reformation, burning of "witches", etc. High points of Christian history, indeed.

It is not my position that there is no violence in Islamic religions or any religion, for that matter. However, if you wish to make a blanket statement about a particular religion, you must also acknowledge the shortcomings of your own.

There is no pedestal upon which Christianity can stand to lob rocks at other religions. Christianity (and Christians) have been the cause of untold numbers of deaths throughout history.

What's the verse? Let those without sin cast the first stone?

Do you really want to use Serbia as an example?

1. YES.

If so, let's look at both sides of the equation.

2. Otay, let's do.

Aren't these the same Christian Serbs that were responsible for the genocide of nearly a quarter million Bosnian Muslims?

3. NO, Emphatically no, that is pure propaganda, in jihad for islam this is called 'taqqiya', meaning decetption or lying to further the cause of islam.

The ones who systematically raped Muslim women?

4. There may have been isolated cases but there was no sytimatic rape, more taqaiya and if my sister or mother had been raped then I might have also replied in like kind myself.

The Serbs led by Milosevic against whom the international community united?

5. The communist Milosevic who promised to fight back against the muslims would never have been elected by the Serbs except for the Clinton foreign policy that saw the Serbs being murdered, terrorized and ethnically cleansed from lands they had lived in for five hundred years in some cases and in other cases for seven hundred years and even longer.

The very same Serbs who sniped civilians, including women and children, in the streets of Sarajevo?

6. The muslims bombed their own people in Sarajevo and successfully blamed the Serbs.

Let us also not forget the crusades, the inquisition, the reformation, burning of "witches", etc. High points of Christian history, indeed.

7. So let's ignore current events then???

It is not my position that there is no violence in Islamic religions or any religion, for that matter. However, if you wish to make a blanket statement about a particular religion, you must also acknowledge the shortcomings of your own.

8. Certainly I do but my own hasn't practaiced continuous warfare on the rest of humanity for the past fourteen hundred years, islam has, let's please not overlook that little factoid!

There is no pedestal upon which Christianity can stand to lob rocks at other religions. Christianity (and Christians) have been the cause of untold numbers of deaths throughout history.

9. Let's look back on just this past century, islam was responsible for at least 10 million deaths, how many can you blame on Christianity??

What's the verse? Let those without sin cast the first stone?

10. Stating the truth is different than casting stones, comprende??

 

[gsvol]

Here is something for Pat to take up!!!!

Missionaries Charged With 'Kidnapping':

It's always nice when governments have their priorities in order, especially in the wake of a devastating tragedy. The Haitian government has made theirs perfectly clear -- it is more important to prosecute those participating in the relief effort than to save their own citizens.

After the Jan. 12 earthquake, people around the world stepped in to help. The United States (as usual) led the charge, both through government aid and contributions of time and money by private citizens. Ten Baptist missionaries were among them, risking their own lives to travel to Haiti and pitch in. On Jan. 29, these same missionaries were arrested and charged with kidnapping -- despite their claim to have had the necessary papers in order -- after they tried to bring 33 Haitian orphans across the border into the Dominican Republic. There, the missionaries told authorities, the children would have been placed in another orphanage better equipped to deal with their needs.

When the attorneys for the "Baptist 10" wrote to Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton, asking for her intervention on their behalf, Clinton's icy response demonstrated precisely where her priorities are -- or more accurately, are not. "Obviously," Clinton remarked, "this is a matter for the Haitian judicial system."

The State Department has turned a blind eye to the missionaries' fate (if convicted, they could spend the rest of their lives in a Haitian jail), stating that it would be "highly unusual" for the secretary of state to become involved. Americans traveling to other countries to serve the cause of humanity are now aware that their efforts may be met with similar mindless cruelty, their plight with a similar cold shoulder.

At the end of the day, the injustice being committed by the Haitian government, coupled with the lack of interest and incompetence of our own, is only going to hurt the Haitians and others suffering hardships around the world.