Pat Robertson is an ignorant fool! I swear.... no wonder people hate christians!

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VolInMn said:
I just want to make sure I understand this. You believe nations are cursed by god and therefore are subject to disasters of one sort or another and you believe we (the US) should take this message to nations around the globe?
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That is the gist of it............

No wonder people hate christians...

:hi:
 
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KB5252 said:
I can't speak for OE but I would say that a mortal human being claiming to know that God was responsible for an earthquake sent down to punish a people for their pact with the Devil is foolish. Any man that claims to know these things should not be trusted in IMO.
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Maybe Pat has "Jesus on the Main Line?"

FWIW, I don't need Robertson to tell me what's what, I got my own phone! :p

Robertson is part theologian, part showman and part politician and pretty much half assed at all of them imo.

No doubt he is somewhat sincere in his religious views but that is shaded by how he makes his living and he would do better to keep his somewhat (OK maybe VERY) egocentric ideas and personality out of the political arena but we all know that isn't going to happen.


OrangeEmpire said:
Also, Robertson is a piece of gold when it comes to the press.
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"Televangelist Pat Robertson said the earthquake in Haiti happened because they were cursed. He says when they were a French colony, they made a pact with the devil to get rid of the French. Pat, please! You don't need a pact with the devil to beat the French."
-- Jay Leno

"This is about helping Haiti, not about occupying Haiti." --French International Cooperation Minister Alain Joyandet
(Of course, the moment the French see foreign troops, they have to assume it's an occupation.)

Sometimes Hollywood gets it right: "This isn't the Democratic party of our fathers and grandfathers. This is the party of Woodstock hippies. I was at Woodstock -- I built the stage. And when everything fell apart, and people were fighting for peanut-butter sandwiches, it was the National Guard who came in and saved the same people who were protesting them. So when Hillary Clinton a few years ago wanted to build a Woodstock memorial, I said it should be a statue of a National Guardsman feeding a crying hippie."
--actor John Ratzenberger


VolInMn said:
I just want to make sure I understand this. You believe nations are cursed by god and therefore are subject to disasters of one sort or another and you believe we (the US) should take this message to nations around the globe?
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Well them Talibanis do live in mortal dread of the "Hellfire" missile!! :)
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
You honestly believe the only reason the earth quake happened was a pact with Satan?

Really?

This is your only concern about these people?
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First, I am EXTREMELY glad that you have changed your avatar. But this one is only marginaly better.

As to your post, do you actually read others posts before you rant? I clearly stated that I am certainly concerned for the people of Haiti.

Just because it hurts your feelings that God would curse a nation for the choices they have made, doesn't make it any less real.
 
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VolInMn said:
I just want to make sure I understand this. You believe nations are cursed by god and therefore are subject to disasters of one sort or another and you believe we (the US) should take this message to nations around the globe?
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no. I believe that nations are cursed by God as a result of their rebellion against His word. We (Christians) should be openly discussing this around the globe as a part of teaching the ways of God to any who will listen.
 
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VolInMn said:
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1. The writings of the koran and numerous statements by legitimate muslim clerics and heads of state that are currently in leadership positions.

2. Fourteen hundred years of organized violence to advance islam.

3. The numerous genocides and terror activities of the twentieth century.

Does that do it??????

Here is one of Clinton's Albanian terrorist KLA pals showing off the head of a Serbian in the Balkans during the 1990s.

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Headed For Home said:
First, I am EXTREMELY glad that you have changed your avatar. But this one is only marginaly better.

As to your post, do you actually read others posts before you rant? I clearly stated that I am certainly concerned for the people of Haiti.

Just because it hurts your feelings that God would curse a nation for the choices they have made, doesn't make it any less real.
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:lolabove:

Yeah.......

Go get em brother!

:banghead2:
 
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#84
Read the Old Testament and then read the New Testament, see any difference?
 
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Headed For Home said:
no. I believe that nations are cursed by God as a result of their rebellion against His word. We (Christians) should be openly discussing this around the globe as a part of teaching the ways of God to any who will listen.
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Turn or burn legalist indy crowd?
 
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If I may interject here, and with no intent of offending Headed For Home, I do believe he and Pat Robertson need to go back and spend a little more time studying Jonah chapter 4.

When God tells one of His prophets that he is cursing a city or people, then I believe it. When unproven spokespersons claim that He is cursing a city or people, I am skeptical. Even when He sent adulterous Israel into captivity, He showed Himself faithful to those whose trust was still in Him (see Mordecai and Daniel, for example).

I have spent a lot of time in the Caribbean. Most of those islands have people who practice some form of vodoo, brujeria or santeria. However, they also have a lot of people who have a strong faith in Christ. Applying the voodoo acts of a few of Haiti's leaders to the whole country is foolish and shows a lack of familiarity with the God that I know, full of grace and mercy, turning the hearts of the vilest sinners back to Him.
 
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OrangeEmpire said:
If you are going to use this logic, then why hasn't the United States been destroyed, we are a million times worse than Sodom and Gomorrah.

:dunno:
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Sorry OE, but you are simply wrong here. Go back and read the story. God promised Abraham that He would spare them the judgement that they deserved if He could find 10 righteous men there. Those 10 righteous men couldn't be found and God destroyed the city.
 
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#90
Clean up my act?

I have been like this ever since I have gotten here. If I am not the way I am, there wouldn't have been a politics forum.

Gs, do you know that people actually believe that we are the same person. :)
 
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#92
Because of my lousy recollection of details and numbers, I always have a hard time finding the specific chapter and verse, but Paul wrote to one of the churches something along the lines of him not having to do with judging the world, rather he would judge himself and let God judge the world. I think Christ also said something along those lines involving beams and splinters in folks eyes.
 
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J-P said:
If I may interject here, and with no intent of offending Headed For Home, I do believe he and Pat Robertson need to go back and spend a little more time studying Jonah chapter 4.

When God tells one of His prophets that he is cursing a city or people, then I believe it. When unproven spokespersons claim that He is cursing a city or people, I am skeptical. Even when He sent adulterous Israel into captivity, He showed Himself faithful to those whose trust was still in Him (see Mordecai and Daniel, for example).

I have spent a lot of time in the Caribbean. Most of those islands have people who practice some form of vodoo, brujeria or santeria. However, they also have a lot of people who have a strong faith in Christ. Applying the voodoo acts of a few of Haiti's leaders to the whole country is foolish and shows a lack of familiarity with the God that I know, full of grace and mercy, turning the hearts of the vilest sinners back to Him.
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I have apparently failed in making my point. I am in no way suggesting that the curses that are possible for a nation to bring upon itself are or should be the focal ppoint of Christianity.

Of course salvation always should be the primary objective.

My point is simply that the principle of blessing and cursing of nations based upon the choices made by their societies does exist and is still in effect today. To deny that there are truths in the Bible other than the path to salvation is wrong.
 
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Headed For Home said:
Sorry OE, but you are simply wrong here. Go back and read the story. God promised Abraham that He would spare them the judgement that they deserved if He could find 10 righteous men there. Those 10 righteous men couldn't be found and God destroyed the city.
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I know the story, I don't have to go back and read it.

:hi:
 
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Headed For Home said:
I have apparently failed in making my point. I am in no way suggesting that the curses that are possible for a nation to bring upon itself are or should be the focal ppoint of Christianity.

Of course salvation always should be the primary objective.

My point is simply that the principle of blessing and cursing of nations based upon the choices made by their societies does exist and is still in effect today. To deny that there are truths in the Bible other than the path to salvation is wrong.
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What????????????

Their current society chose a pack with Satan?

Do you not acknowledge the absolute struggle that has been going on since the late 1980's to rid the island of Vodoo?

:crazy:
 
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gsvol said:
1. The writings of the koran and numerous statements by legitimate muslim clerics and heads of state that are currently in leadership positions.

2. Fourteen hundred years of organized violence to advance islam.

3. The numerous genocides and terror activities of the twentieth century.

Does that do it??????

Here is one of Clinton's Albanian terrorist KLA pals showing off the head of a Serbian in the Balkans during the 1990s.

bosnian_muslim.jpg
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Really? Not even.

You are either trolling for fun or completely ignorant of theology. I don't mean you're stupid and I'm not insulting you. I mean ignorant.

Do you even realize that your points are either gross generalizations or could very easily be applied to Christianity throughout history as well?

Calling terrorists "pals" of an American president is absolute hyperbole and serves to make you look like an extremist, yourself. Posting a photo of a beheaded victim does nothing but emphasize that.

You can shout things, be completely over the top when you try and make a point and try your best to shock people into agreement but it doesn't make what you're saying any more true.
 
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Headed For Home said:
My point is simply that the principle of blessing and cursing of nations based upon the choices made by their societies does exist and is still in effect today. To deny that there are truths in the Bible other than the path to salvation is wrong.
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Maybe Pat Robertson thinks he's another John Wesley.



VolInMn said:
Really? Not even.

1. You are either trolling for fun or completely ignorant of theology. I don't mean you're stupid and I'm not insulting you. I mean ignorant.

2. Do you even realize that your points are either gross generalizations or could very easily be applied to Christianity throughout history as well?

3. Calling terrorists "pals" of an American president is absolute hyperbole and serves to make you look like an extremist, yourself. Posting a photo of a beheaded victim does nothing but emphasize that.

4. You can shout things, be completely over the top when you try and make a point and try your best to shock people into agreement but it doesn't make what you're saying any more true.
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1. Don't mean to insult you either but if there is and ignorant one in this equation, then you stand out like a sore thumb.

Do you understand that islamic teachings were responsible for the deaths of around ten million people, mostly Christians during the twentieth century alone??

2. Not, they are not and no it can't, not throughout history, there may have been some bad episodes brought about by some men who were corrupting religion for political power and political entities who used organized religion to support their regimes.

3.

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Recognize anyone???

The one on the left is Hashim Thraci, head of the terrorist KLA and later to be president of the muslim dominated state of Kosovo which was the heart of Christian Serbia, at least the KLA were terrorists (and drug dealers) until Clinton had them removed form the terrorist list, even though they had al-Qaeda and many other mideastern mujhadeen groups fighting at their side, terrorizing the people of the region and then Clinton, without UN resolution nor congressional approval dropped more bomb tonnage on a Christian ally than were dropped in six years in southeast Asia. Yeah, the Balkan muslim terrorists were evidently Bubba's pals.

Early in the twentieth century Ksosvo was at least 80% Serbian Christian an now is about 2% Serbian Christian and most of them live in refugee camps to survive.

Now you can relate to me about New York Slimes disinformation on the topic of ethnic cleansing.

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Carla Del Ponte, formerly the chief prosecutor for the international war crimes tribunal for what used to be known as Yugoslavia, and now a Swiss Ambassador, still maintains that young Serbians were kidnapped for the purpose of being butchered so their body parts could be harvested and sold by muslim Albanians and their mujhadeen allies.

If you don't believe me just ask Ron Brown, oh wait Ronnie can tell any tales can he??

BTW, if you would care to know, I can look up the name of the beheaed Christian Serb, it's not like he is unknown or that it was some sort of isolated incident.

In the power vacuum created by Bubba, the fanatical radical muslim Izetbegovic assumed power and sent 28 decapitated Serbian heads to the Mullahs of Iran (who had supported him with armament, special operations forces and money) to prove the victory. Bin Laden even had a Bosnia passport at that time.

Two of the 9/11 highjackers fought for Izetbegovic and islamic supremacy in Bosnia, including Muhamed Atta.

Just weeks before Izetbegovic's death in 2003 Bubba and his pal Holbrooks visited him and Turkish PM Erdogan who Barry claims to be good friends with visited him the last day of his life and gave a glowing testimonial to what a swell respected man he was.

Here is what Turkish prime minister Erdogan says about moderate islam;

"These descriptions are very ugly, it is offensive and an insult to our religion. There is no moderate or immoderate Islam. Islam is Islam and that’s it.”

Charges were filed against Izetbegovic in 1998 and later a more complete dossier in 2001 (same year he was awarded the King Faisal Award and 2001 the Figure of the Year in the Islamic World) before the war crimes tribunal but he was never indicted.

It included charges of genocide, crimes against humanity, and violations of rules and customs of war committed in the districts of Srebrenica, Bratunac, Milic and Skelane. (basicly ritual islamic beheadings and other atrocities against civilians and captured enemies.)

Want to read Clinton's pal's ideas on Islamic jihad??

Read this.

4.

What do you take me for, a Holy Roller??

I don't need to shout.

Just exactly what have I said that is not true, if I am wrong I will admit it.

If you think some particular thing I've said isn't true and I can prove it beyond a reasonable doubt, will you admit that?? :hi:
 
#99
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Headed For Home said:
Sorry OE, but you are simply wrong here. Go back and read the story. God promised Abraham that He would spare them the judgement that they deserved if He could find 10 righteous men there. Those 10 righteous men couldn't be found and God destroyed the city.
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really though? If you go by the Sodom and Gemorra logic - which there are places and countries much worse in corrupt laws, sleaze, or even relgious practices - Out of all those people in Haiti there were easily at least 10 people who either survived or unfortunately passed in the earthquake whom didn't deserve this kind of thing to happen to them
 
#100
#100
Still trying everyday to get some God to smite me for my heathen ways. No such luck yet.
 
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