Paul Pelosi attacked in home invasion

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Gandalf said:
Well, once they actually release this to the public everything should be cleared up right? Capital police were not watching (Nancy was away) so no one witnessed it but surely they have a recording of it? It says According to sources, an officer was monitoring the feeds and saw police lights on a dark street outside the Pelosi's residence. When going through surveillance footage, the officer saw the alleged attack on Oct. 28, when DePape allegedly struck Paul Pelosi, people briefed on the incident said, according to the report.
US Capitol Police officers weren't watching live home security cameras when Paul Pelosi was attacked
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Yet more video that will never be seen by the taxpayers. I really would like to see what our tax dollars go for. They claim it shows the break-in, but yet they won't show it.
 
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Either way you slice it, this story makes the Capitol Secuirty detail look horrible. The true story is one of the following: Paul Pelosi and this unvetted deranged man were in some sort of relationship (doesn't have to be gay) and he was allowed in the house intentionally while the Capitol Secuirty watched remotely; Or the Capitol Security was asleep at the wheel while a psychopath broke into the house of the third most powerful person in the US. I would think, from a national security standpoint, I would rather the first option be true. I wouldn't want other crazy people to know just how insanely easy it was to break into the Speaker's private residence in a gated community that was surveilled by dozens of cameras that had a live feed. I mean, what if Nancy Pelosi had a server in her basement with top secret information on it?!?!
 
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lawgator1 said:
No, though admittedly it is sometimes a tough line to draw. Its like Justice Potter said about obscenity -- you know it when you see it. And so for example when you take the totality of what Trump said leading up to and on 1/6, combined with his inaction as it occurred, you can say he is responsible for the violence despite having "skated the line" trying not to be too obvious about it.

Similar to his comments I posted above regarding Pelosi incident. Strongly insinuating its true without asserting it, specifically.

At some point you have to take a step back and ask about all the facts and circumstances to try to draw a conclusion as to what the intent is -- is the speaker intending to, for example, encourage violence? Or in the most recent case is he, based on all the circumstances, backing a baseless conspiracy theory in an effort to undermine the real story -- political violence -- and to disclaim any responsibility for doing so?

The right wingers can debate here all they want a bunch of word-for-word hair splitting on this. But in doing so all they do is enable Trump's weak rhetorical tactic of implying, but not outright saying. When all the while, based on all the circumstances, everyone knows exactly what he's saying, exactly what he's promoting. Either now, or on 1/6.
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kiddiedoc said:
Apologies: the dispatch call. ..."his name is David and that he is a friend"
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Oh ok. I think dispatcher was most likely telling police what Pelosi said and also what he relayed from DePape. “I don’t know him, but [he told me] his name is David and [he told me that] he’s a friend.” But we’ll probably see when/if the call comes out.

The dude giving a recorded, mirandized confession saying that he went there and broke in through the broken back door to question Nancy and break her kneecaps is going to be a steep hill to climb for any alternative theories.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Oh ok. I think dispatcher was most likely telling police what Pelosi said and also what he relayed from DePape. “I don’t know him, but [he told me] his name is David and [he told me that] he’s a friend.” But we’ll probably see when/if the call comes out.

The dude giving a recorded, mirandized confession saying that he went there and broke in through the broken back door to question Nancy and break her kneecaps is going to be a steep hill to climb for any alternative theories.
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I posted this yesterday but I'll do it again. According to this source, those weren't the words of PP:

The operator says that the caller – identified by the SF Chronicle as suspect David DePape – described himself as “a friend”.

He “stated that he does not know who the man is but said that his name is David and that he is a friend”.
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Secret 911 call audio reveals how Paul Pelosi alerted police to David DePape attack

So did the SF Chronicle get this wrong?
 
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We all get to speculate until the videos from the Pelosi mansion, the police body cams and the Secret Service are made public. Us minions will never see any of it.
 
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VolStrom said:
We all get to speculate until the videos from the Pelosi mansion, the police body cams and the Secret Service are made public. Us minions will never see any of it.
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In the meantime liberals need to back off this narrative of a right wing conspiracy. It's the media (largely left wing) that's been feeding us conflicting stories that don't add up
 
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whodeycin85 said:
So according to the SF Chronicle, DePape placed the 911 call? Wtf
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Exactly. Early on I did hear the actual call (I wish I knew where) and the voice did not sound like it was from an octogenarian.

I should add, we don't know who placed the call. Perhaps PP handed David the phone at some point
 
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Sea Ray said:
I posted this yesterday but I'll do it again. According to this source, those weren't the words of PP:


Secret 911 call audio reveals how Paul Pelosi alerted police to David DePape attack

So did the SF Chronicle get this wrong?
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I don’t understand your question. Those are not the words of Pelosi.

“Stated that he does not know who the man is but said that his name is David and that he is a friend” are the words of the dispatcher relaying or paraphrasing what dispatch was told on the call to police while police are en route.

I’m saying “I don’t know him” likely came from Pelosi describing DePape.
“His name is David and he’s a friend” likely came from Pelosi relaying what he was told by DePape.”

Every article I’ve seen said Pelosi called, including the one you just linked. DePape himself apparently said Pelosi called. I’m skeptical that the SF Chronicle identified DePape as the caller without a link. But if they did that appears to be wrong.
 
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RockyTop85 said:
Oh ok. I think dispatcher was most likely telling police what Pelosi said and also what he relayed from DePape. “I don’t know him, but [he told me] his name is David and [he told me that] he’s a friend.” But we’ll probably see when/if the call comes out.

The dude giving a recorded, mirandized confession saying that he went there and broke in through the broken back door to question Nancy and break her kneecaps is going to be a steep hill to climb for any alternative theories.
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What if we just see the video recordings and make up our own mind instead of trusting the government?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I don’t understand your question. Those are not the words of Pelosi.

“Stated that he does not know who the man is but said that his name is David and that he is a friend” are the words of the dispatcher relaying or paraphrasing what dispatch was told on the call to police while police are en route.

I’m saying “I don’t know him” likely came from Pelosi describing DePape.
“His name is David and he’s a friend” likely came from Pelosi relaying what he was told by DePape.”

Every article I’ve seen said Pelosi called, including the one you just linked. DePape himself apparently said Pelosi called. I’m skeptical that the SF Chronicle identified DePape as the caller without a link. But if they did that appears to be wrong.
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The article I linked said that the caller was DD:

The operator says that the caller – identified by the SF Chronicle as suspect David DePape – described himself as “a friend”.
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I tend to think that is erroneous reporting by the media but we won't know 'till we hear the call
 
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Sea Ray said:
The article I linked said that the caller was DD:



I tend to think that is erroneous reporting by the media but we won't know 'till we hear the call
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No it didn’t. All four of the paragraphs immediately preceding the part you pulled out reference Pelosi being the caller.

From your article:
“Paul Pelosi managed to call law enforcement to the San Francisco home he shares with the House speaker during the attack in the early hours of Friday morning, by secretly dialling 911 from his cellphone and speaking in “code”, police said on Friday.

The 82-year-old left the line open as he spoke to Mr DePape, enabling the dispatcher to hear the interaction.

At one point, the operator reportedly heard Mr Pelosi asking: “What’s going on? Why are you here? What are you doing to me?”

In a police audio clip, from 2.28am local time, the dispatcher is heard telling another operator that the caller “stated that there is a male in his home and he is going to wait for his wife”.
 
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Sea Ray said:
This isn't about Trump. Sorry
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To LG, everything is about Trump.

“Welcome to Wendy’s, what can I get for you today?”
LG: Not another 4 years of Trump, I’ll tell ya that!

“Ok. So it looks like you have a minor leak but we can take care of that today if you would like”
LG: So this leak, will it help convict Trump to life in prison?

“So where did you go to Law School?”
LG: I’ll tell ya where I didn’t go. Trump university. F that guy!
 
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RockyTop85 said:
No it didn’t. All four of the paragraphs immediately preceding the part you pulled out reference Pelosi being the caller.

From your article:
“Paul Pelosi managed to call law enforcement to the San Francisco home he shares with the House speaker during the attack in the early hours of Friday morning, by secretly dialling 911 from his cellphone and speaking in “code”, police said on Friday.

The 82-year-old left the line open as he spoke to Mr DePape, enabling the dispatcher to hear the interaction.

At one point, the operator reportedly heard Mr Pelosi asking: “What’s going on? Why are you here? What are you doing to me?”

In a police audio clip, from 2.28am local time, the dispatcher is heard telling another operator that the caller “stated that there is a male in his home and he is going to wait for his wife”.
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I understand that but the line I quoted, which you refuse to address, is inconsistent with that. Perhaps DD took over the call at some point or perhaps the reporting was shotty, which is my point. I gave you the exact line that states DD was the caller
 
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Sea Ray said:
I understand that but the line I quoted, which you refuse to address, is inconsistent with that. Perhaps DD took over the call at some point or perhaps the reporting was shotty, which is my point. I gave you the exact line that states DD was the caller
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I did address it. Go back and read, if you’re capable. I said if that’s really what they wrote, then it is wrong.

I also asked for a link to the SF Chronicle article instead of something somebody else wrote that doesn’t even link to them. Did you provide one?
 
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RockyTop85 said:
I did address it. Go back and read, if you’re capable. I said if that’s really what they wrote, then it is wrong.

I also asked for a link to the SF Chronicle article instead of something somebody else wrote that doesn’t even link to them. Did you provide one?
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I cannot provide one. So either the SF Chronicle or the media that wrote that line is erroneous. Take your pick
 
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Sea Ray said:
I cannot provide one. So either the SF Chronicle or the media that wrote that line is erroneous. Take your pick
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I don’t feel any real compulsion to pick.

Everything I’ve seen says Pelosi called police. The dispatch radio traffic recording that was available before I even knew about this story seemed pretty clear that Pelosi was the caller. In his confession, DePape said Pelosi called the police. In his interviews, Pelosi said he called the police. I don’t know anybody else who thought DePape called police. And apparently, on Friday night, SFPD Chief held a presser and said Pelosi called. This press conference was reported by SF Chronicle in an article that was last updated October 29:
Paul Pelosi attack: Police say suspect sought out Pelosi household

“In a Friday evening news conference, San Francisco Police Chief Bill Scott described what happened after authorities received a 911 call at 2:28 a.m. The call came from Paul Pelosi, who, according to the recorded call, “stated that there’s a male in the home and that he’s going to wait for his wife.””

I didn’t see a retraction about prior versions of the story saying DePape had called police, which the SF Chronicle should have included if they had misreported the story previously.

🤷🏻‍♂️

It seems pretty clear that Pelosi called and, if at some point anybody said DePape called, I’d say that’s almost certainly inaccurate.
 
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