Paul Pelosi attacked in home invasion

[GVF]

So the private security guy that saw DePape coming in… he’s an FBI agent that they just put undercover to help sell the story, or what?

The Capitol police security camera that supposedly recorded DePape jumping the fence that will have to be turned over to his attorney… made up? They got the attorney in on it, too?

Look at all the people they had in on all the stings they tried against TRump. You people will stop at nothing, even blaming this on Trump and MAGA.

 

[GVF]

Republicans were just as eager to label David DePape a liberal Democrat, and score political points with "the chickens came home to roost" narrative that they know their base enjoys so much. Republicans wanted to make this story about the crime rates in "Democrat-run cities," while Democrats have wanted to make this story about the toxic political climate that Republicans have created with their combative rhetoric.

They are both divisive and wrong ... and we should be denouncing both of them equally; not just one without the other.

Fight fire with fire, eh?

 

[hog88]

You have not explained what David DePape had to gain by confessing a version of events to the police which aligns perfectly with Paul Pelosi's. DePape is going to be facing hard time at either San Quentin or possibly even Folsom. San Quentin, in particular, has an incredibly high mortality rate for gay inmates. They are either killed in general population, or they kill themselves in administrative segregation, within the first 3 years of their incarceration. Why would DePape have made that story up that he gave to the police? His life will not be better off for it. That's for sure.

He's charged with federal crimes so San Quinton or Folsom is not where he would end up.

 

[GVF]

He's charged with federal crimes so San Quinton or Folsom is not where he would end up.

You don't have to be a VN lawyer to figure that out ??

 

[hog88]

You don't have to be a VN lawyer to figure that out ??

BB isn't a lawyer, at least I don't think he is.

 

[GVF]

BB isn't a lawyer, at least I don't think he is.

Yeah, I was thinking of RT85 when I said that.

 

[GVF]

I don't want to come off as a braggart, but I have 4 sets of poorly made sliding glass doors.

Well your safe then. THat'll confuse the crap out of a perp.

 

[RockyTop85]

What would be your advice to DePape if you were representing him?

I’d want a lot more information, including time to talk to DePape and hear his side, I don’t even know how much time he’s actually facing.

Just speculating based on an assumption that the government filings turn out to be the best version of reality for them (which is typically what they are):

It’s an overwhelmingly bad case for him on guilt/innocence. The phrase “caught red handed” seems apt. I don’t know California law, but in Tennessee he’s be charged with esp agg burglary, esp agg kidnapping*, and agg assault. He’s looking at anywhere from 12 years to an effective life sentence depending on his record.

That analysis doesn’t even include the confession, because it is a possible point of flexion, legally. They went out of their way to say he wasn’t questioned and he blurted out what happened when he was at the scene. That’s the type of thing that I could see being bogus in a state filing, especially since the DOJ made no reference to that initial confession that I saw. Cops lie about that kind of stuff all the time. So, I’m skeptical. I’d want to see this “not asked questions” on body camera. Apparently, there were subsequent mirandized confessions, but there could be arguments to attack those if the first one was tainted in some way.

I’d also look at Pelosi’s medical records for inconsistent statements or signs of recent intoxication for some more leverage.

Assuming he doesn’t have some exquisitely phenomenal explanation for all this, it’s a mitigation case. I’d want him evaluated, I’d want to talk to all these people who said he was crazy. I’d want all of that known by the psych consultant. I want his medical records for any psych treatment he has gotten in the past. I would want his pharmacy records to see if he is compliant with prescribed medications. I want his social media posts from everywhere. Need his criminal history. His medical records for a UDS or tox screen or any inconsistent injuries. Anything that helps say he wasn’t at a baseline mental state.

I’ve never dealt with anything like this in terms of publicity. Things that make the local news tend to be hard to settle. Bad cases are hard to settle. I assume bad cases that make this much news are extremely hard to settle. So depending on his exposure and considering his age and the prospect of consecutive sentences, trial may be unavoidable.

* - I know most people are going to think “attempted esp agg kidnapping” and that’s possible, given the most likely facts. The line between the two is extremely easy to cross in TN. I’m not sure it’s worth a full explanation since this happened in California.

 

[whodeycin85]

I’d want a lot more information, including time to talk to DePape and hear his side, I don’t even know how much time he’s actually facing.

Just speculating based on an assumption that the government filings turn out to be the best version of reality for them (which is typically what they are):

It’s an overwhelmingly bad case for him on guilt/innocence. The phrase “caught red handed” seems apt. I don’t know California law, but in Tennessee he’s be charged with esp agg burglary, esp agg kidnapping*, and agg assault. He’s looking at anywhere from 12 years to an effective life sentence depending on his record.

That analysis doesn’t even include the confession, because it is a possible point of flexion, legally. They went out of their way to say he wasn’t questioned and he blurted out what happened when he was at the scene. That’s the type of thing that I could see being bogus in a state filing, especially since the DOJ made no reference to that initial confession that I saw. Cops lie about that kind of stuff all the time. So, I’m skeptical. I’d want to see this “not asked questions” on body camera. Apparently, there were subsequent mirandized confessions, but there could be arguments to attack those if the first one was tainted in some way.

I’d also look at Pelosi’s medical records for inconsistent statements or signs of recent intoxication for some more leverage.

Assuming he doesn’t have some exquisitely phenomenal explanation for all this, it’s a mitigation case. I’d want him evaluated, I’d want to talk to all these people who said he was crazy. I’d want all of that known by the psych consultant. I want his medical records for any psych treatment he has gotten in the past. I would want his pharmacy records to see if he is compliant with prescribed medications. I want his social media posts from everywhere. Need his criminal history. His medical records for a UDS or tox screen or any inconsistent injuries. Anything that helps say he wasn’t at a baseline mental state.

I’ve never dealt with anything like this in terms of publicity. Things that make the local news tend to be hard to settle. Bad cases are hard to settle. I assume bad cases that make this much news are extremely hard to settle. So depending on his exposure and considering his age and the prospect of consecutive sentences, trial may be unavoidable.

* - I know most people are going to think “attempted esp agg kidnapping” and that’s possible, given the most likely facts. The line between the two is extremely easy to cross in TN. I’m not sure it’s worth a full explanation since this happened in California.

Thanks for you breakdown

 

[theFallGuy]

Paul Pelosi answered door to cops but did NOT say he was in distress, new police account claims | Daily Mail Online

 

[whodeycin85]

Paul Pelosi answered door to cops but did NOT say he was in distress, new police account claims | Daily Mail Online

Wow. That's not a great look given...the fact DePape let him all call cops.... More it's coming out

 

[RockyTop85]

Have you dealt with many crazy ass people that are so far gone that they claim to be Jesus for a year ? Do regale us with your experiences in dealing with the mentally ill heavy drug users , and their propensities .. lawyer dude . Again what I said was , that it would be illogical to believe these types of people that have shall we say a handicap when it comes to normal brain cell functions . You yourself would be trying to convince the cops that he was out of his damn mind and shouldn’t be held accountable for his statement .

Holy Dunning-Kruger, Batman.

Does a criminal defense attorney deal with extremely mentally ill drug users/addicts? You serious, Clark? All. The. Time.

Psychotic people get in trouble every damn day. People on meth can develop psychosis. Chronic users of other drugs can develop mental health symptoms. Even when not drug induced, mental health symptoms can wax and wane with treatment, lapses of treatment, social stressors, and other triggers that cause people to decompensate.

Put simply, somebody who thinks they’re Jesus today can function at a reasonable level next month or even next week, depending on what caused them to decompensate and what happened in between. It doesn’t mean he goes around at baseline thinking he’s the Messiah.

Am I psychological expert? Absolutely not. But I deal with mental health issues and people in the midst of mental health crisis on a weekly basis. I have to know about them because it’s an integral part of my work. I talk to psychologists probably monthly, I review treatment records weekly, I talk to people with mental illness weekly, including some who are suffering from delusions of grandeur on the level of “I am Jesus.”

There’s no shame in being ignorant about technical subjects. That’s how I make money, but being so ignorant as to make that comment and yet think that you’re making a good point is one of the most embarrassing self owns I’ve ever seen on this forum where people embarrass themselves all the time.

Now remind me to address your comments about how to do my job.

 

[RockyTop85]

He's charged with federal crimes so San Quinton or Folsom is not where he would end up.

Not quite.

He’s charged in federal and state court. Google the separate sovereigns doctrine.

Unless California has a state law that says otherwise, which seems unlikely given that they charged him, he’ll finish serving one government’s sentence before serving the other. If he’s lucky, the second sentence will credit him for his service of the first, but the default rule in Federal Court is that the time doesn’t count.

 

[hog88]

Not quite.

He’s charged in federal and state court. Google the separate sovereigns doctrine.

Unless California has a state law that says otherwise, which seems unlikely given that they charged him, he’ll finish serving one government’s sentence before serving the other. If he’s lucky, the second sentence will credit him for his service of the first, but the default rule in Federal Court is that the time doesn’t count.

Yeah I understand that he's not protected from double jeopardy (that's another subject) because of the doctrine. Wouldn't the federal conviction and sentence be carried out first? In other words wouldn't he be remanded to federal custody to complete that sentence before being handed over to the state to complete whatever they give him (or be freed because they count the federal time towards his state sentence)?

 

[GVF]

Holy Dunning-Kruger, Batman.

Does a criminal defense attorney deal with extremely mentally ill drug users/addicts? You serious, Clark? All. The. Time.

Psychotic people get in trouble every damn day. People on meth can develop psychosis. Chronic users of other drugs can develop mental health symptoms. Even when not drug induced, mental health symptoms can wax and wane with treatment, lapses of treatment, social stressors, and other triggers that cause people to decompensate.

Put simply, somebody who thinks they’re Jesus today can function at a reasonable level next month or even next week, depending on what caused them to decompensate and what happened in between. It doesn’t mean he goes around at baseline thinking he’s the Messiah.

Am I psychological expert? Absolutely not. But I deal with mental health issues and people in the midst of mental health crisis on a weekly basis. I have to know about them because it’s an integral part of my work. I talk to psychologists probably monthly, I review treatment records weekly, I talk to people with mental illness weekly, including some who are suffering from delusions of grandeur on the level of “I am Jesus.”

There’s no shame in being ignorant about technical subjects. That’s how I make money, but being so ignorant as to make that comment and yet think that you’re making a good point is one of the most embarrassing self owns I’ve ever seen on this forum where people embarrass themselves all the time.

Now remind me to address your comments about how to do my job.

I know I enjoy fun for me at your expense, but I work part time in a bowling center and get a good look see at the public at large. I can only imagine its amplification when they walk in ya'lls offices. The generic stupidity is...well I don't know what to call it.

 

[RockyTop85]

Yeah I understand that he's not protected from double jeopardy (that's another subject) because of the doctrine. Wouldn't the federal conviction and sentence be carried out first? In other words wouldn't he be remanded to federal custody to complete that sentence before being handed over to the state to complete whatever they give him (or be freed because they count the federal time towards his state sentence)?

That may vary by federal judge/USAttorney/locality, but every case I’ve ever had that where there was a contemporaneous federal charge, it went the other way.

And I actually had a guy write me once asking me to do an amended judgment because the state had credited him with a bunch of time on a probation violation where the judge wasn’t trying to bind him up, he was just trying to clear the way for him go serve his federal sentence and the feds wouldn’t count that time. It’s a pretty messed up set of rules. One that New York had fixed by law but then repealed because of Trump/Bannon stuff.

 

[lawgator1]

I know I enjoy fun for me at your expense, but I work part time in a bowling center and get a good look see at the public at large. I can only imagine its amplification when they walk in ya'lls offices. The generic stupidity is...well I don't know what to call it.

It's like they are all Georgia grads, amirite???

 

[Franklin Pierce]

Mystery of Paul Pelosi hammer attack Deepens as new police account reveals how Speaker's husband calmly opened door to cops after phoning 911, did NOT reveal he was in trouble and then walked BACK towards 'intruder' who bludgeoned him

A seemingly calm Paul Pelosi never let on to responding officers that he was in distress just seconds before he walked back into his house where an intruder bludgeoned him with a hammer, new details from police sources have revealed.

Instead of telling officers that he needed help, or trying to flee the home, Pelosi calmly greeted them and then retreated several feet back into the foyer where police saw the DePape strike him with a hammer, police sources close to the investigation told NBC News.

Paul Pelosi answered door to cops but did NOT say he was in distress, new police account claims | Daily Mail Online

 

[GVF]

It's like they are all Georgia grads, amirite???

Watch it there jorts guy...lol.

Well, GA native here from TN native parents and current TN resident. It is mind bogglin.

 

[GVF]

It's like they are all Georgia grads, amirite???

Seriously, the phone rings off the hook. The most common question is "are you gonna be busy at such and such a time on a certain night."

I literally now just answer that it depends on how many people show up.

 

[GVF]

It's like they are all Georgia grads, amirite???

But, yes. THat was funny. I laughed pretty good.

 

[Majors]

And somehow this tweet by NBC is no longer available. Trusted media personality gets the “This piece should not have aired because it did not meet NBC News reporting standards”

 

[jmacvols1]

And somehow this tweet by NBC is no longer available. Trusted media personality gets the “This piece should not have aired because it did not meet NBC News reporting standards”

The plot thickens...the news piece was pulled because it did not meet the narrative the leftist are trying to create...

NBC News pulls report claiming Paul Pelosi didn't indicate 'emergency' to cops: report

 

[C-south]

All the looney libs here:

 

[0nelilreb]

Holy Dunning-Kruger, Batman.

Does a criminal defense attorney deal with extremely mentally ill drug users/addicts? You serious, Clark? All. The. Time.

Psychotic people get in trouble every damn day. People on meth can develop psychosis. Chronic users of other drugs can develop mental health symptoms. Even when not drug induced, mental health symptoms can wax and wane with treatment, lapses of treatment, social stressors, and other triggers that cause people to decompensate.

Put simply, somebody who thinks they’re Jesus today can function at a reasonable level next month or even next week, depending on what caused them to decompensate and what happened in between. It doesn’t mean he goes around at baseline thinking he’s the Messiah.

Am I psychological expert? Absolutely not. But I deal with mental health issues and people in the midst of mental health crisis on a weekly basis. I have to know about them because it’s an integral part of my work. I talk to psychologists probably monthly, I review treatment records weekly, I talk to people with mental illness weekly, including some who are suffering from delusions of grandeur on the level of “I am Jesus.”

There’s no shame in being ignorant about technical subjects. That’s how I make money, but being so ignorant as to make that comment and yet think that you’re making a good point is one of the most embarrassing self owns I’ve ever seen on this forum where people embarrass themselves all the time.

Now remind me to address your comments about how to do my job.

So you said all of that to agree with what I posted about how illogical it would be to trust these people regardless of what they sat down with the police and said ? You could have just led with that and saved time , it’s not like you can charge us for all those words on here .