Paul the Apostle

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Did Jesus and Paul teach the same thing?





Some critics of Christianity try and set Paul against Jesus. They will often claim that what Paul taught is not what Jesus said and that present-day Christianity is derived not from Jesus, but from Paul's teaching. This is an erroneous claim that does not fit the facts. It is easy to take various scriptures out of context and try and set one person against another -- as many critics of Christianity have done. Nevertheless, we can confidently expect that Jesus and Paul taught the same thing. Granted, Paul focused more on theological issues than Jesus did, but nothing Paul said is contrary to Christ.

Luke wrote both the Gospel of Luke and the book of Acts. In Acts 9 Luke records the events surrounding Paul's conversion. We see that Jesus himself called Paul and sent him to be an apostle. If Paul and Jesus are not in agreement, then why would Jesus call Paul to be his apostle? Jesus is God in flesh and would therefore know all things. Jesus would certainly have known what Paul would teach which, it seems, is one of the reasons Jesus called him.

In addition, we can quickly see by examining what Jesus said we find parallels in what Paul said. Following is a brief alphabetical list comparing the words of Christ with the words of Paul. We can clearly see that they were indeed in agreement and that the critics who would set Paul against Christ don't know what they're talking about.
1.Alive in Christ A.Jesus i."For just as the Father raises the dead and gives them life, even so the Son also gives life to whom He wishes," (John 5:21).

B.Paul i."For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive," (1 Cor. 15:22).


2.Anxiety A.Jesus i."For this reason I say to you, do not be anxious for your life, as to what you shall eat, or what you shall drink; nor for your body, as to what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body than clothing?" (Matt. 6:25).

B.Paul i."Be anxious for nothing, but in everything by prayer and supplication with thanksgiving let your requests be made known to God," (Phil. 4:6).


3.Atonement A.Jesus i."I am the good shepherd; the good shepherd lays down His life for the sheep," (John 10:11)

B.Paul i."and walk in love, just as Christ also loved you, and gave Himself up for us, an offering and a sacrifice to God as a fragrant aroma," (Eph. 5:2).


4.Deity of Jesus A.Jesus i."Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am," (John 8:58). Compare with Exodus 3:14, "And God said to Moses, "I AM WHO I AM"; and He said, "Thus you shall say to the sons of Israel, "I AM has sent me to you."

B.Paul i."For in Him all the fullness of Deity dwells in bodily form," (Col. 2:9). See also, Phil. 2:5-8.


5.Forgiveness A.Jesus i."For if you forgive men for their transgressions, your heavenly Father will also forgive you," (Matt. 6:14).

B.Paul i."And be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving each other, just as God in Christ also has forgiven you," (Eph. 4:32).


6.Jesus is the only way A.Jesus i."Jesus said to him, "I am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life; no one comes to the Father, but through Me," (John 14:6).

B.Paul i."For there is one God, and one mediator also between God and men, the man Christ Jesus," (1 Tim. 2:5).


7.Justification by faith A.Jesus i."Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, has eternal life, and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life," (John 5:24). See also John 3:16-18; Luke 18:9-13.

B.Paul i."Therefore having been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ," (Rom. 5:1).


8.Law, the A.Jesus i."Do not think that I came to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I did not come to abolish, but to fulfill," (Matt. 5:17).

B.Paul i."Do we then nullify the Law through faith? May it never be! On the contrary, we establish the Law," (Rom. 3:31).
ii."What I am saying is this: the Law, which came four hundred and thirty years later, does not invalidate a covenant previously ratified by God, so as to nullify the promise," (Gal. 3:17).


9.Law, living the A.Jesus i."You shall not commit murder; You shall not commit adultery; You shall not steal; You shall not bear false witness; 19 Honor your father and mother; and You shall love your neighbor as yourself," (Matt. 19:18-19).

B.Paul i."Owe nothing to anyone except to love one another; for he who loves his neighbor has fulfilled the law. 9 For this, "You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet," and if there is any other commandment, it is summed up in this saying, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself." 10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; love therefore is the fulfillment of the law," (Rom. 13:8-10)


10.Predestination A.Jesus i."Not all men can accept this statement, but only those to whom it has been given," (Matt. 19:11).
ii."All that the Father gives Me shall come to Me, and the one who comes to Me I will certainly not cast out," (John 6:37).
iii."No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day," (John 6:44).
iv."For this reason I have said to you, that no one can come to Me, unless it has been granted him from the Father," (John 6:65).

B.Paul i."He predestined us to adoption as sons through Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the kind intention of His will... 11 also we have obtained an inheritance, having been predestined according to His purpose who works all things after the counsel of His will," (Eph. 1:5,11).


11.Resurrection A.Jesus i."The Son of Man is going to be delivered into the hands of men; 23 and they will kill Him, and He will be raised on the third day," (Matt. 17:22-23).

B.Paul i."For I delivered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, 4 and that He was buried, and that He was raised on the third day according to the Scriptures," (1 Cor. 15:3-4).


12.Rewards and Punishment A.Jesus i."For the Son of Man is going to come in the glory of His Father with His angels; and will then recompense every man according to his deeds," (Matt. 16:27).

B.Paul i."who will render to every man according to his deeds," (Rom. 2:6).


13.Sinfulness of man A.Jesus i."For out of the heart come evil thoughts, murders, adulteries, fornications, thefts, false witness, slanders. 20 "These are the things which defile the man; but to eat with unwashed hands does not defile the man," (Matt. 15:19-20).

B.Paul i."There is none who understands, There is none who seeks for God; 12 All have turned aside, together they have become useless; There is none who does good, There is not even one," (Rom. 3:11-12).


14.Tradition A.Jesus i."And why do you yourselves transgress the commandment of God for the sake of your tradition?" (Matt. 15:3).

B.Paul i."See to it that no one takes you captive through philosophy and empty deception, according to the tradition of men, according to the elementary principles of the world, rather than according to Christ," (Col. 2:8).


15.Works Righteousness denied A.Jesus i."Many will say to Me on that day, 'Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in Your name, and in Your name cast out demons, and in Your name perform many miracles?' 23 "And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness," (Matt. 7:22-23).

B.Paul i."Now that no one is justified by the Law before God is evident; for, "The righteous man shall live by faith," (Gal. 3:11).



As you can see, this brief list demonstrates that Jesus and Paul both taught the same thing.
 
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It was also stated earlier that Paul "blantantly rejects Christ in Romans 3."

i do not see Paul rejecting Christ in any of his writing.

great web site for ya Gramps carm.org what I have posted above comes from it.......they tackle many topics like this
 
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I will check it out. Thanks TT.

my comment earlier about both sides being right was referring to the sin nature of man, not that Paul was a fraud in any way, one may not agree with his "style" but it is hard to despute his actual teaching
 
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my comment earlier about both sides being right was referring to the sin nature of man, not that Paul was a fraud in any way, one may not agree with his "style" but it is hard to despute his actual teaching

Thanks for the clarification.

I went to the site you mentioned.
I think I will make it part of my daily readings. I try to study the Bible every day. It will be a helpful tool.
 
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Where did Paul get his authority?





by Ryan Turner

If Paul did not know Jesus while He lived on this earth, then how can Paul have any authority to teach and preach the Gospel?

Though Paul did not walk with Jesus while he was on this earth, he did receive approval from the followers of Jesus. In Galatians chapters 1-2, Paul explains that he took two different trips to Jerusalem to see the Jerusalem apostles.1

Trip #1: 36 A.D.

In his first trip, Paul mentions the most popular apostles by name: Peter and James. In Galatians 1:18-19, Paul says,

"Then three years later [36 A.D.?] I went up to Jerusalem to become acquainted with Cephas [or Peter], and stayed with him fifteen days. 19But I did not see any other of the apostles except James, the Lord's brother."

If Paul and Peter spent fifteen days together, they must have discussed some very important matters! I wish that I could have been a fly on the wall to hear Paul and Peter's conversation. What a sight that must have been! As one scholar stated, they probably did not spend all of their time talking about the weather. It is quite likely that given the context of Galatians 1 where Paul is discussing his authority to preach the gospel, that Peter and Paul discussed the content of the Gospel during their time together.

Trip #2: 47-50 A.D.

However, Paul also mentions a second trip to Jerusalem in Galatians 2:1-2:

"Then after an interval of fourteen years [47-50 A.D.?] I went up again to Jerusalem with Barnabas, taking Titus along also. 2It was because of a revelation that I went up; and I submitted to them the gospel which I preach among the Gentiles, but I did so in private to those who were of reputation, for fear that I might be running, or had run, in vain."

In this second visit, Paul mentions that he explicitly brought his gospel before the Jerusalem apostles (Peter, James, and John). He indicates that he had a fear "that I might be running, or had run, in vain." Some have speculated that Paul wanted to verify the content of his preaching to be sure that he was correct. Therefore, he goes up to Jerusalem a second time to see Peter, James, and then John.

Interestingly, the apostles respond:

"And recognizing the grace that had been given to me, James and Cephas and John, who were reputed to be pillars, gave to me and Barnabas the right hand of fellowship, so that we might go to the Gentiles and they to the circumcised (Gal. 2:9)."

In other words, the early apostles agreed with Paul's Gospel that he preached.
The Ultimate Authority

Even though Paul had approval from the eyewitnesses of Jesus' life, nevertheless, Paul claimed that his ultimate authority did not come from humans, but directly from Christ's revelation to him:

"For I would have you know, brethren, that the gospel which was preached by me is not according to man. 12For I neither received it from man, nor was I taught it, but I received it through a revelation of Jesus Christ (Gal. 1:11-12)."

Paul himself saw Jesus via revelation on his encounter on the road to Damascus (Acts 9, 22, 26) in which Christ revealed Himself to Paul . He was an eyewitness in the sense of having seen Jesus after his death (1 Cor. 9:1). Therefore, Paul certainly had the authority to teach and preach the Gospel.

Summary:
•33 A.D. - Paul's Conversion
•36 A.D. - 1st Trip to Jerusalem: meets Peter and James
•47-50
 
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No, it is what I honestly believe. Jesus specifically taught faith and deeds or works, Paul rejects this.

Problem is so many threads discussing the topic new and old.

Jesus was all too aware of people who claimed to believe in Him and yet proved to be not truly born again (e.g., John 2:23-25; 8:31-46). A profession of faith made at some point during one's life is no guarantee that heaven awaits that person. Such professions or conversion experiences must be followed by changed lives if faith is to be shown to be genuine saving faith. Hence Jesus teaches that regardless of one's profession, if one does not demonstrate a changed life produced by God, one will not enter into heaven. Such a judgment will be made when Jesus returns and judges every person according to his or her "works". While this may seem contradictory to some more well-known passages ruling out the role of works in salvation (e.g., Rom 3:21-4:25; Gal 2:16-21; Eph 2:8-9), there is every good reason to understand that Jesus' teachings complement such passages. The works that admit one into heaven are not works produced by the flesh before conversion but works produced by God after conversion. They will fundamentally be characterized by a life of discipleship, love for others, and endurance in faith and obedience, and will therefore serve to confirm that one indeed did have a relationship with God during one's life. Hence Jesus did teach salvation by works. However God is the one who produces the works and they occur after conversion.
 
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Works will never admit one into Heaven.

Oh, hi God; listen, you have never previously revealed yourself to me. So, now that you have, can you tell me what I need to believe in order to secure my salvation?

By the way, thanks for finally showing up; before this moment, I just figured I would err on the side of doing my best not to infringe upon the lives of others and to help others out when I could.
 
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Oh, hi God; listen, you have never previously revealed yourself to me. So, now that you have, can you tell me what I need to believe in order to secure my salvation?

By the way, thanks for finally showing up; before this moment, I just figured I would err on the side of doing my best not to infringe upon the lives of others and to help others out when I could.

You are a mess
 
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Where does Paul say that justification by faith alone is enough. Please do not tell me you are taking a few verses in Ephesians out of context.
 
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The entire premise of both sola fide and faith and works/deeds is absurd. Works alone should be preached; faith should simply be offered as hope for those who fail, and fail egregiously, to perform good works.

I concede the point that everyone is flawed and therefore everyone might need that faith/hope in divine mercy; however, the emphasis should not be placed on hoping for mercy. The emphasis should be placed on acting so that one actually deserves/earns salvation. To place the emphasis anywhere else (on faith alone or on faith and works) is simply providing some bull**** out for people.
 
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The entire premise of both sola fide and faith and works/deeds is absurd. Works alone should be preached; faith should simply be offered as hope for those who fail, and fail egregiously, to perform good works.

I concede the point that everyone is flawed and therefore everyone might need that faith/hope in divine mercy; however, the emphasis should not be placed on hoping for mercy. The emphasis should be placed on acting so that one actually deserves/earns salvation. To place the emphasis anywhere else (on faith alone or on faith and works) is simply providing some bull**** out for people.

You are one sad strange little man.

-Buzz Lightyear
 
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