Pearl discussion (split)

[Thunder Good-Oil]

It’s BS to write something suggesting that TN didn’t care about basketball. They just opened a 25,000 seat arena less than 3 years before. Low quoted Barnes quoting an ACC sheep bloviating that the ACC is superior because of SEC football. While ACC football was garbage.

And Dave Gavitt doing the same while being motivated to pump up the Big East (and wanting Barnes to stay at Providence)? Shocking.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

It’s BS to write something suggesting that TN didn’t care about basketball. They just opened a 25,000 seat arena less than 3 years before. Low quoted Barnes quoting an ACC sheep bloviating that the ACC is superior because of SEC football. While ACC football was garbage.

And Dave Gavitt doing the same while being motivated to pump up the Big East (and wanting Barnes to stay at Providence)? Shocking.

lol...Give it up, man.
Like I said, you weren't going to have any luck with people believing your conjecture over a reliable ESPN senior editor and Rick Barnes himself.
If I was you I would quit bumping this up for everyone see the lengths of dishonesty you were prepared to go to just to avoid admiting your speculation was way off.
Not a good look for you, and as you see people are already starting to catch on.
Can't say I didn't warn you.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Yeah I read the article and there’s a direct quote from Barnes insinuating as much:

The school twice tried to hire Barnes when he was younger, the first time when he was at Providence and then again when he was at Clemson. He simply wasn't sold on the SEC's commitment to basketball.

When Tennessee fired Don DeVoe following the 1989 season, Barnes met with then-Tennessee athletic director Doug Dickey about the job. Barnes remembers telling journalist and close friend John Feinstein and Gavitt, who remained a mentor to Barnes until his death in 2011, about the Tennessee interview.

"They both said, 'You can't take that job. They don't care about basketball. You're already in a basketball league,'" Barnes said. "That was the perception, and it didn't have anything to do with Doug Dickey. That's just where the league was. They were set on being the best football league in the country.”

You have normal comprehension skills, so you came to a normal conclusion. Good for you.
You also had no biases going in.

This other guy has a reason to be biased.
He made a post before he knew about this recent article saying that the only way Barnes would have turned down a job back in 1989 was because "Doug Dickey was a "sh**ty boss".

He assumed I was making what I said about Barnss up, so he challenged me for a source and I gave him the one you read that very clearly contradicts him. This is becasue Barnes said (about not coming to Tennessee/being hired) that it "didn't have anything to do with Doug Dickey".

The guy couldn't handle being wrong, so he accused Chris Low ( ESPN senior Journalist and the same good and trusted man that held back the story of Chris Lofton's cancer as a favor to him his Senior year) and even Barnes of "clickbaiting, distortion, and willful exaggeration".
All because he didn't want to admit his conjecture was wrong/off.
Very dishonest behavior.

Be prepared because he is going to endlessly reply to you trying to get you believe his conjecture over the clear article from ESPN.
Don't be fooled because he has only one source for his rant/conjecture.....which is himself.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

This other guy has a reason to be biased.
He made a post before he knew about this recent article saying that the only way Barnes would have turned down a job back in 1989 was because "Doug Dickey was a "sh**ty boss".

The guy couldn't handle being wrong, so he accused Chris Low ( ESPN senior Journalist and the same good and trusted man that held back the story of Chris Lofton's cancer as a favor to him his Senior year) and even Barnes of "clickbaiting, distortion, and willful exaggeration".
All because he didn't want to admit his conjecture was wrong/off.
Very dishonest behavior.

You’re lying. In 1989 the job was offered to Kennedy and then Houston. That’s what I posted. I didn’t say that Barnes turned it down in 1989. He wasn’t offered.

You’re also naive and don’t understand that stories posted on ESPN aren’t linear and quotes are taken out of context to generate clicks.

Post #120:

KO battled with Dickey and quit abruptly after 3 years. Then KO proceeded to contact all of the potential replacement candidates to trash Dickey and UT. Jerry Green was way down the list. He was about the 6th, 7th, or 8th choice and was hired in 1997. Barnes had just finished his 3rd year at Clemson and maybe he was one of the coaches that KO contacted urging them to not work for Dickey. If so, he didn’t turn TN down because TN wasn’t serious about basketball. It would have been because Doug Dickey was a prick and would have been a s***ty boss.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Chris Low had his head so far up Fulmer’s butt his breath still smells like polyps. You really shouldn’t be worshipping him and believing everything he’s writing. That ESPN story is structured to reel in the gullible and easily influenced. Read each comment carefully. Understand context.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

You’re lying. In 1989 the job was offered to Kennedy and then Houston. That’s what I posted. I didn’t say that Barnes turned it down in 1989. He wasn’t offered.

You’re also naive and don’t understand that stories posted on ESPN aren’t linear and quotes are taken out of context to generate clicks.

Post #120:

KO battled with Dickey and quit abruptly after 3 years. Then KO proceeded to contact all of the potential replacement candidates to trash Dickey and UT. Jerry Green was way down the list. He was about the 6th, 7th, or 8th choice and was hired in 1997. Barnes had just finished his 3rd year at Clemson and maybe he was one of the coaches that KO contacted urging them to not work for Dickey. If so, he didn’t turn TN down because TN wasn’t serious about basketball. It would have been because Doug Dickey was a prick and would have been a s***ty boss.

I couldn't have meant any dishonesty because it doesn't matter if it was when Barnes was at Clemson or at Providence because the article clearly states that the reason Barnes passed both times is because " he simply wasn't sold on the SEC's commitment to basketball".

Barnes goes on to further to cement this by saying ( in respect to Chris Low saying Tennessee tried to hire him on two different occasions ) that not coming here " didn't have anything to do with Doug Dickey"
This for sure still contradicts your speculation that " it would have been becasue Doug Dickey was a prick and would have been a sh**ty boss".

If Dickey was "pr*ck" and a "sh*tty boss, that would have been true in 1989 and a few year later when Barnes was at Clemson.
Either way, Barnes not wanting to come here in both cases had nothing to do with Doug Dickey, dude. Barnes literally says that!

My goodness dude, are you that stubborn you refuse to at least acknowledge that is what Barnes said and Doug Dickey wasn't a factor?
I mean even if you think Low is a liar/ Barnes is just making it up/embellishing can you not admit that is what the article indicates Barnes said?

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Chris Low had his head so far up Fulmer’s butt his breath still smells like polyps. You really shouldn’t be worshipping him and believing everything he’s writing. That ESPN story is structured to reel in the gullible and easily influenced. Read each comment carefully. Understand context.

Bro, I'm going to tell you this again....
Yes, I am going to take the plain word of a Senior Journalist at ESPN and Rick Barnes over you self- sourced conjecture. Any day of the week. You haven't exactly been a model of morals in our little discussion. lol
Sorry if this bothers you, but that's just how it is.


Of course I trust Rick Barnes, and neither of us personally know Chirs Low, but the guy has been with ESPN for almost 2 decades. IMO, he showed some real character in the recent Chris Lofton special. Not many reporters would have done what Low did, and at the very least Chris Lofton felt he did him a solid/was a good man.

If Chris Lofton trusts him, that's good enough for me until I have good reason to doubt him.
You certainly have tried to raise doubt/ discredit the poor man, but you have given me no good evidence that he is anything but honest.

Frankly, I was being 100% honest when I said you should be ashamed of yourself for discrediting a man like that based off nothing but conjecture.

 

[EasternVol]

You have normal comprehension skills, so you came to a normal conclusion. Good for you.
You also had no biases going in.

This other guy has a reason to be biased.
He made a post before he knew about this recent article saying that the only way Barnes would have turned down a job back in 1989 was because "Doug Dickey was a "sh**ty boss".

He assumed I was making what I said about Barnss up, so he challenged me for a source and I gave him the one you read that very clearly contradicts him. This is becasue Barnes said (about not coming to Tennessee/being hired) that it "didn't have anything to do with Doug Dickey".

The guy couldn't handle being wrong, so he accused Chris Low ( ESPN senior Journalist and the same good and trusted man that held back the story of Chris Lofton's cancer as a favor to him his Senior year) and even Barnes of "clickbaiting, distortion, and willful exaggeration".
All because he didn't want to admit his conjecture was wrong/off.
Very dishonest behavior.

Be prepared because he is going to endlessly reply to you trying to get you believe his conjecture over the clear article from ESPN.
Don't be fooled because he has only one source for his rant/conjecture.....which is himself.

Do you remember the coach search of '89 first hand?

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Do you remember the coach search of '89 first hand?

It doesn't matter what I remember about the coaching search in 1989. What matters is what Barnes remembers and more importantly what he revealed in his most recent ESPN interview.

I know you guys think you know every single behind the scenes thing that happened in all of Tennessee basketball history but I can assure you that isn't the case. Just like with the history of anything we later learn details and facts we hadn't been previously aware of because sometimes first hand sources decide to shed a little more light into past occurrences.
Again, I have zero reason to doubt the article.
In respect to what Chris Low said or in respect to what Rick Barnes said/revealed.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Do you remember the coach search of '89 first hand?

No, he doesn’t. He’s only going by his misinterpretation of what Low wrote.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

No, he doesn’t. He’s only going by his misinterpretation of what Low wrote.

" misinterpretation"
lol...You are a clown. I guess the other person that responsed to you that drew the same conclusion as me " misinterpreted" what Low said , too. smh

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

" misinterpretation"
lol...You are a clown. I guess the other person that responsed to you that drew the same conclusion as me " misinterpreted" what Low said , too. smh

You totally don’t understand my comment about the story not being linear. Low wrote the events in random order so readers are fooled and clicks are generated.

Let’s see a time line and all of the context. You’re being tricked. You’ve misinterpreted the facts.

You’re also obsessed with me.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

You totally don’t understand my comment about the story not being linear. Low wrote the events in random order so readers are fooled and clicks are generated.

Let’s see a time line and all of the context. You’re being tricked. You’ve misinterpreted the facts.

You’re also obsessed with me.

So he tricked us both and we should just believe you because you were there and know exactly what happened, right?
Oh yeah, that's right you weren't there when they tried to hire Barnes.
We should just believe you because you're a good " trust me, bro" type of guy. lol
No thanks. I'll stick with the straight forward article with two credible sources.

P.S You look foolish saying I am obsessed with you when I started this discussion and you keep replying to me/ trying to change my mind.
You do know that, right?

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

So he tricked us both and we should just believe you because you were there and know exactly what happened, right?
Oh yeah, that's right you weren't there when they tried to hire Barnes.
We should just believe you because you're a good " trust me, bro" type of guy. lol
No thanks. I'll stick with the straight forward article with two credible sources.

P.S You look foolish saying I am obsessed with you when I started this discussion and you keep replying to me/ trying to change my mind.
You do know that, right?

You started the argument and can’t stand not having the last word as well.

Your obsession with me is sad.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

And Barnes wasn’t offered the job in 1989.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

You started the argument and can’t stand not having the last word as well.

Your obsession with me is sad.

No, Like most people here I reply to all comments directed to me.
If you don't like it you could just put me on ignore.
You won't do that tho because you are obviously projecting and
a) actually obsessed with me
b) can't stand not having the last word.

My bet it is both and your next incoming post will be in 3, 2, 1...

 

[EasternVol]

No, he doesn’t. He’s only going by his misinterpretation of what Low wrote.

It certainly looks like it.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

No, Like most people here I reply to all comments directed to me.
If you don't like it you could just put me on ignore.
You won't do that tho because you are obviously projecting and
a) actually obsessed with me
b) can't stand not having the last word.

My bet it is both and your next incoming post will be in 3, 2, 1...

You’re obsessed with me.

You’re also being narcissistic believing that every post is directed at you.

What’s with all of your childish insults and name calling? Reply to that.

What’s with all your epic, fabricating the truth replies?

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

For Barnes, in his 10th season at Tennessee, things have come full circle. The Vols are the only team in the SEC to have won 25 or more games in each of the past four seasons. The school twice tried to hire Barnes when he was younger, the first time when he was at Providence and then again when he was at Clemson. He simply wasn't sold on the SEC's commitment to basketball.
When Tennessee fired Don DeVoe following the 1989 season, Barnes met with then-Tennessee athletic director Doug Dickey about the job. Barnes remembers telling journalist and close friend John Feinstein and Gavitt, who remained a mentor to Barnes until his death in 2011, about the Tennessee interview.
"They both said, 'You can't take that job. They don't care about basketball. You're already in a basketball league,'" Barnes said. "That was the perception, and it didn't have anything to do with Doug Dickey. That's just where the league was. They were set on being the best football league in the country.
"Now there is an emphasis in this league to be the best in every sport, a tremendous amount of pride, and what's happened in basketball is unlike anything I ever thought I'd see in the SEC, not from where I grew up in the Carolinas."

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

If you don't accept what they said. Don't accept it. It's on you to dream up whatever you want, but don't try to pretend I don't have just as much ( valid) right to take what they said at face value.

End of/

Remember when you were so wrong that you then attempted to get in your final shot and end it? But you’re not capable of letting it go. Even after being such an embarrassment.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

For Barnes, in his 10th season at Tennessee, things have come full circle. The Vols are the only team in the SEC to have won 25 or more games in each of the past four seasons. The school twice tried to hire Barnes when he was younger, the first time when he was at Providence and then again when he was at Clemson. He simply wasn't sold on the SEC's commitment to basketball.
When Tennessee fired Don DeVoe following the 1989 season, Barnes met with then-Tennessee athletic director Doug Dickey about the job. Barnes remembers telling journalist and close friend John Feinstein and Gavitt, who remained a mentor to Barnes until his death in 2011, about the Tennessee interview.
"They both said, 'You can't take that job. They don't care about basketball. You're already in a basketball league,'" Barnes said. "That was the perception, and it didn't have anything to do with Doug Dickey. That's just where the league was. They were set on being the best football league in the country.
"Now there is an emphasis in this league to be the best in every sport, a tremendous amount of pride, and what's happened in basketball is unlike anything I ever thought I'd see in the SEC, not from where I grew up in the Carolinas."

It doesn’t matter how often you copy and paste the same thing. You’re still wrong.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

It doesn’t matter how often you copy and paste the same thing. You’re still wrong.

Yeah I read the article and there’s a direct quote from Barnes insinuating as much:

The school twice tried to hire Barnes when he was younger, the first time when he was at Providence and then again when he was at Clemson. He simply wasn't sold on the SEC's commitment to basketball.

When Tennessee fired Don DeVoe following the 1989 season, Barnes met with then-Tennessee athletic director Doug Dickey about the job. Barnes remembers telling journalist and close friend John Feinstein and Gavitt, who remained a mentor to Barnes until his death in 2011, about the Tennessee interview.

"They both said, 'You can't take that job. They don't care about basketball. You're already in a basketball league,'" Barnes said. "That was the perception, and it didn't have anything to do with Doug Dickey. That's just where the league was. They were set on being the best football league in the country.”

 

[EasternVol]

It doesn't matter what I remember about the coaching search in 1989. What matters is what Barnes remembers and more importantly what he revealed in his most recent ESPN interview.

I know you guys think you know every single behind the scenes thing that happened in all of Tennessee basketball history but I can assure you that isn't the case. Just like with the history of anything we later learn details and facts we hadn't been previously aware of because sometimes first hand sources decide to shed a little more light into past occurrences.
Again, I have zero reason to doubt the article.
In respect to what Chris Low said or in respect to what Rick Barnes said/revealed.

So you don't. It would certainly matter if you did. Then you wouldn't have to rely on an ESPN article written 36 years after the fact. I personally wouldn't depend solely on such a source since they can be misleading like this one is.
Some posters here do remember it. What TGO's posted is accurate. Barnes was not offered the job then.
There's a difference between being contacted by an employer and being offered a job. Being contacted and interviewing may or may not lead to an offer. And being contacted would lead a smart candidate to check out the potential employer.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

I personally wouldn't depend solely on such a source since they can be misleading like his one is.

Then don't.

You believe what you want to believe, and I'll take the article/ Chris Low and Barnes at their word.
Everybody's happy.

 

[Dpd423]

Maybe go back to Jerry Green then?

Don Devoe got it all started.