Pearl discussion (split)

[Thunder Good-Oil]

For Barnes, in his 10th season at Tennessee, things have come full circle. The Vols are the only team in the SEC to have won 25 or more games in each of the past four seasons. The school twice tried to hire Barnes when he was younger, the first time when he was at Providence and then again when he was at Clemson. He simply wasn't sold on the SEC's commitment to basketball.
When Tennessee fired Don DeVoe following the 1989 season, Barnes met with then-Tennessee athletic director Doug Dickey about the job. Barnes remembers telling journalist and close friend John Feinstein and Gavitt, who remained a mentor to Barnes until his death in 2011, about the Tennessee interview.
"They both said, 'You can't take that job. They don't care about basketball. You're already in a basketball league,'" Barnes said. "That was the perception, and it didn't have anything to do with Doug Dickey. That's just where the league was. They were set on being the best football league in the country.
"Now there is an emphasis in this league to be the best in every sport, a tremendous amount of pride, and what's happened in basketball is unlike anything I ever thought I'd see in the SEC, not from where I grew up in the Carolinas."

The article says they tried to hire Barnes twice. He told ESPN he talked with 2 of their reporters about the job and they told him, "You can't take that job". At the VERY LEAST Barnes felt he was in the running for the job. Even if he wasn't officially offered the job (which you don't know btw) he wasn't going to take it because of how he felt about the league. He still felt that way the second time he was talked to about being hired at Tennessee/offered a job at Tennessee (doesn'tmatter in respect either way), and as a matter of fact, still felt that way when he finally took the chance on Tennessee in 2015. I think it's obvious the reporters said what they did because Barnes felt he was being offered the job. I have zero reason to doubt that, too.
Barnes's feelings on the SEC are just as obvious.

You’re awfully naive when your takeaway from that clickbait story is that Barnes turned down the TN job twice.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

The SEC was plenty good in basketball before 1989.

Barnes didn't feel they were putting an emphasis on Basketball at that specific point in time in 1989. This is what he said, and the context. I take him at his word. Don't know what else to tell you.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

You’re awfully naive when your takeaway from that clickbait story is that Barnes turned down the TN job twice.

Sure bud ....It's more likely ESPN just made the story up and Barnes went along with it.
They are certainly more believable to me than your conjecture.
Where is your interview with Barnes, btw?

 

[VolsSportsFan]

And I can agree with that part. Where you lose me and any reasonable person is when you try to make indefensible statements like the above ("culture of winning still in the air") which is demonstrably false as I showed and, frankly, odd. You've tied up multiple pages dying on that hill for some reason (Steven?).

Because he clearly has a Pearl boner. That's the only explanation. By his own stupid logic Pearl owes Green for the same thing but he was dimissive of it. And it's clear because he like Pearl's sideshow act and didn't like Green's get off my lawn/leave me alone act. And he keeps moving the goalposts to making it everyone is trying to dimisinish Pearl's accomplishments.

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

Barnes didn't feel they were putting an emphasis on Basketball at that specific point in time in 1989. This is what he said, and the context. I take him at his word. Don't know what else to tell you.

I can tell you with a high degree of confidence that Dickey wasn't offering full support to men's basketball

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Sure bud ....It's more likely ESPN just made the story up and Barnes went along with it.

No. You don’t know how to differentiate the words that they publish from reality. There is zero chance that Barnes was offered the job in 1989. And he didn’t say that he was. He “met” with UT. Along with probably 2 dozen others. Did he say he “interviewed” for the jobs?

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Those missed opportunities is the story of this game. Can't have that many come NCAAT

 

[EasternVol]

Texas Western (now UTEP) made history in 1966 with the first NCAA championship with an all-black lineup. Who won the NIT that year (clue: polar opposite dynamic)?

I had to look it up. I guess at that time they were. I was surprised to see who the runner up was. I didn't know they were D1 so late; I thought they dropped down in the days of the two handed set shot.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Because he clearly has a Pearl boner. That's the only explanation. By his own stupid logic Pearl owes Green for the same thing but he was dimissive of it. And it's clear because he like Pearl's sideshow act and didn't like Green's get off my lawn/leave me alone act. And he keeps moving the goalposts to making it everyone is trying to dimisinish Pearl's accomplishments.

Pearl can give Greene credit. I have no problem with it. Told you that I don't know how many times. smh...Changes my argument none.

BTW, I don't have a " Pearl boner" lol
All anyone has to do is go read my posts in the thread 'SEC coaching shake up coming' and they will know you're FOS.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

I can tell you with a high degree of confidence that Dickey wasn't offering full support to men's basketball

TBA sold Kentucky gear when we played UK; Dickey didn’t give 2 s***about men’s basketball

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

No. You don’t know how to differentiate the words that they publish from reality. There is zero chance that Barnes was offered the job in 1989. And he didn’t say that he was. He “met” with UT. Along with probably 2 dozen others. Did he say he “interviewed” for the jobs?

It says they tried to hire Barnes twice. He at least was interviewing for the job. That's plenty good enough for my argument because of what said when he spoke to the two ESPN writers.
They have absolutely no reason to tell him " You can't take that job" unless Barnes had expressed to them the opportunity was there.
Then Barnes says he conveys he wasn't interested not because of Dickey, but because the league " was set on being a football league".

He also conveyed he had this sentiment the second time Tennessee reached out to him about a head coaching job, and like I said still felt this way even when he finally took the chance and came to Tennessee shortly after Pearl bringing new found success to the Tennessee.

Easy inference to make in regards. A child could do it. Unless you are someone who is in denial (which you are) I don't see how one concludes anything else.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

It says they tried to hire Barnes twice. He at least was interviewing for the job. That's plenty good enough for my argument because of what said when he spoke to the two ESPN writers.
They have absolutely no reason to tell him " You can't take that job" unless Barnes had expressed to them the opportunity was there.
Then Barnes says he conveys he wasn't interested not because of Dickey, but because the league " was set on being a football league".

He also conveyed he had this sentiment the second time Tennessee reached out to him about a head coaching job, and like I said still felt this way even when he finally took the chance and came to Tennessee shortly after Pearl bringing new found success to the Tennessee.
Easy inference to make. A child could do it. Unless you are someone is in denial ( which you are) I don't see how they conclude anything else.

So you think that Barnes turned UT down twice and it was because TN was a football school? He was at Texas the second time. Your takes are comical.

Barnes wasn’t offered the job in 1989. He didn’t turn it down.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

So you think that Barnes turned UT down twice and it was because TN was a football school? He was at Texas the second time. Your takes are comical.

Barnes wasn’t offered the job in 1989. He didn’t turn it down.

No, your reading comprehension is failing you (irony?)
It was because of the league Tennessee was in (but by extension it was TN because we were a team in the SEC that didn't put much of any emphasis on basketball). Whether you agree or disagree on that, that was obviously Barnes opinion/assessment/state of mind.

Barnes reiterated in the article the reporters reminded him " You're already in a basketball league" so obviously he felt the league he was in did put emphasis on basketball. He felt that important enough to include this quote in the interview. That tells you something, dude. Pay attention.

You can pretend my take is "comical " but it is actually very sound if you actually could comprehend it without being in denial.

 

[Sudden Impact]

NM

 

[FortSanders]

Pearl is a good coach.

 

[VolsSportsFan]

So you think that Barnes turned UT down twice and it was because TN was a football school? He was at Texas the second time. Your takes are comical.

Barnes wasn’t offered the job in 1989. He didn’t turn it down.

Really weird a guy who coached at Clemson and Texas would say he didnt' want to go to a football school.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

I can tell you with a high degree of confidence that Dickey wasn't offering full support to men's basketball

I agee

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Really weird a guy who coached at Clemson and Texas would say he didnt' want to go to a football school.

To quote Eminem, "pay attention you're sayin the same **** that he said"
To save myself some time I'm just going to repost what I told Thunder Oil in the hopes you'll actually read it this next go around.

No, your reading comprehension is failing you (irony?)
It was because of the league Tennessee was in (but by extension it was TN because we were a team in the SEC that didn't put much of any emphasis on basketball). Whether you agree or disagree on that, that was obviously Barnes opinion/assessment/state of mind.

Barnes reiterated in the article the reporters reminded him "You're already in a basketball league" so obviously he felt the league he was in did put emphasis on basketball. He felt that important enough to include this quote in the interview. That tells you something, dude. Pay attention.

You can pretend my take is "comical " but it is actually very sound if you actually could comprehend it without being in denial.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

No, your reading comprehension is failing you (irony?)
It was because of the league Tennessee was in (but by extension it was TN because we were a team in the SEC that didn't put much of any emphasis on basketball). Whether you agree or disagree on that, that was obviously Barnes opinion/assessment/state of mind.

Barnes reiterated in the article the reporters reminded him " You're already in a basketball league" so obviously he felt the league he was in did put emphasis on basketball. He felt that important enough to include this quote in the interview. That tells you something, dude. Pay attention.

You can pretend my take is "comical " but it is actually very sound if you actually could comprehend it without being in denial.

You’re the only one on the board that agrees with your dumb takes.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

You’re the only one on the board that agrees with your dumb takes.

Well, that's not true. Not that likes necessarily matter or even prove that an argument is necessarily right or wrong (a lot of Pearl hate floating around) , but my original post/take has 5 likes, thank you very much.
So that's at least 5 people that agreed with me.
So yet again, you're wrong.

Again, to be clear, I ultimately couldn't give two sh!ts about likes/people necessarily agreeing with me. Just mentioning it because your conjecture failed again.
I'm sure you'll just do the same thing you've been doing and deny this, tho.
It's becoming your MO.

 

[Delmar]

You’re the only one on the board that agrees with your dumb takes.

It’s been my experience that when 95% of posters disagree with you then you are generally wrong. But some folks just don’t know which hill to die on. They just keep going.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Well, that's not true. Not that likes necessarily matter or even prove that an argument is necessarily right or wrong (a lot of Pearl hate floating around) , but my original post/take has 5 likes, thank you very much.
So that's at least 5 people that agreed with me.
So yet again, you're wrong.

Again, to be clear, I ultimately couldn't give two sh!ts about likes/people necessarily agreeing with me. Just mentioning it because your conjecture failed again.
I'm sure you'll just do the same thing you've been doing and deny this, tho.
It's becoming your MO.

Doesn’t give two sh!ts about likes. Proceeds to defend his dumb takes by saying he has 5 likes.

I don’t know which one is more ignorant by you. That Barnes owes Pearl a debt of gratitude for setting up his own success -or- that Barnes turned down the UT job twice.

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

It’s been my experience that when 95% of posters disagree with you then you are generally wrong. But some folks just don’t know which hill to die on. They just keep going.

For one, that's not even true.
For two, even it it was it wouldn't make your conclusion true.

Do you know what an Argumentum ad populum is? It is a fallacious argument similar to a bandwagon fallacy that assumes an idea's popularity makes it true or right.

It's a fallacy because popularity alone doesn't prove a claim's truth. Someone arguing may try to win acceptance for a conclusion by appealing to a group's emotions or prejudices.
In this case a lot of people on this board tentd to not like Bruce Pearl or more to the point any comments that might even hint at a comparison or link betwen the two.
It could very well be this dislike is what is driving no likes, positive likes, and even counter arguments. At the very least it's possible it could be skewing objective opinion.
It could also be some people just don't like me so they are willing to automatically dismiss any argument I might put forth. Could be a number of things in regards.

So let's stay away from this type of fallacious reasoning, ok Denmar?

 

[Anti-shunshinepumper]

Doesn’t give two sh!ts about likes. Proceeds to defend his dumb takes by saying he has 5 likes.

I don’t know which one is more ignorant by you. That Barnes owes Pearl a debt of gratitude for setting up his own success -or- that Barnes turned down the UT job twice.

Ha...I knew you were going to say that which is why I specifically said what I did to you about not having a bearing on whether or not the argument is ultimately true. I just made a post about it being fallacious as well.
It doesn't necessarily prove my argument, only that there are people that indeed agreed with it/liked it.
Which again, makes you wrong and highlights the silliness of you suggesting such in the first place.
The only thing that matters is the argument.
Not if anyone necessarily agrees or disagrees with it.

 

[Thunder Good-Oil]

Ha...I knew you were going to say that which is why I specifically said what I did to you about not having a bearing on whether or not the argument is ultimately true. I just made a post about it being fallacious as well.
It doesn't necessarily prove my argument, only that there are people that indeed agreed with it/liked it.
Which again, makes you wrong and highlights the silliness of you suggesting such in the first place.
The only thing that matters is the argument.
Not if anyone necessarily agrees or disagrees with it.

Dude thinks he’s playing 3-D chess but is failing at checkers.

You’re still wrong about Barnes turning down TN twice and owing Pearl a big thank you for enabling his success.