Pearl discussion (split)

#76
#76
VolsSportsFan said:
Nobody did. Not one person downplayed it. They are downplaying the stupid thing you said.

So you're either too stubborn to take the L. Or you're just stupid. You pick.
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It's so simple a child could get it, I don't understand why you can't
Let me try again,
By saying Barnes owes absolutely zero thanks to Pearl for what he did at Tennessee is automatically downplaying exactly what Pearl did at Tennessee that paved the way for Barnes to have success at Tennessee. A main factor would be he wouldn't even be here if not for what Pearl accomplished.
It's really not that hard .
 
#78
#78
VolsSportsFan said:
Do you know what pooh poohing something is? Apparently not.

Spoiler: I said you pooh poohed Pearl giving Green credit, and to anyone with a brain that's literally what you did. Anyone who reads people telling you that by your own logic Pearl owes Green gratitude that you are quite dismissive of the idea just because it doesn't fit your narrative.

Bye bye now .
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I didn't dismiss the argument from consideration, dude.
I literally said you could give Greene credit and even clarified that multiple times after that post.
Instead of calling me a liar you could look back at the other times before our last exchanges that I said I would have no problem giving Greene credit. Like I also said, Pope and Cal could give Rupp credit/thanks if they wanted to.
It would be literally the same thing as Greene which is why I said that.
Saying it's a tougher argument isn’t the same as saying it is silly to even make. Like not at all.

If I was necessarily " poo-pooing" your argument I would have never said you (meaning anyone) could give Greene a bit of thanks.
I honestly would have just said why I didn't feel it was an argument at all.

If you were an honest person you would accept that. But you're not. You just want to continue to attack a strawman because it's easier I guess.
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#79
#79
Thunder Good-Oil said:
Bruce sure would love all the attention he’s getting on a TN board 15 years after he was fired for his stupidity and lying.

BTW, Mears put TN basketball on the map. Not Bruce Pearl.
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Freak would probably be better off making a “Bruce Pearl discussion thread” for those who want to continue to worship the guy after 15 years.

It’s just comical at this point.
 
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#80
#80
VolFreakJosh said:
Freak would probably be better off making a “Bruce Pearl discussion thread” for those who want to continue to worship the guy after 15 years.

It’s just comical at this point.
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Nobody is worshipping the guy ( if you think I necessarily do check out my posts in " SEC coaching shake up coming" ) lol
Just giving credit where credit is do in respect.
What's comical is the snowflakes that would love nothing more than to pretend Bruce failed here and did absolutely nothing for our program.
That's what's truly laughable.
 
#81
#81
Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Without Pearl and those winning seasons we may not even end up with Barnes.
He made/showed the job here was worth taking.
He gave Barnes a nice landing spot after Texas.
Pearl built that. He also built a culture of winning that lasted despite a few seasons of bad coaching. That says a lot about what Pearl did for us.
There is no need to not give him credit for that.
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Ernie Grunfeld gave us that.
 
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#86
#86
MoCo_Vol said:
You forgetting the 4 year gap of Martin & Donnie that separates Pearl & Barnes?

Rick doesn’t owe Bruce anything. He didn’t inherit anything. Now us fans, we have to be grateful for Pearl he showed the admin & big money donors “if you build it, they will come” and then Hart was allowed to go get Barnes.
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I think you are making too much of the word "owe". Pearl was very instrumental in getting the program to the place it could go through Martin & Donnie and be able to bring in Coach Barnes. I think we should all show the kind of affection for Pearl that Barnes does. Those two don't greet each other after games like most coaches would. There is a lot more affection between the two because of the Tennessee connection they share and the type of individuals they are away from the game.
 
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#87
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Legion of Doom said:
Pearl brought our hoops back. He put our program on an elite leave to even get a guy like Barnes. Thankful for both coaches.
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I hate to get involved in this but Pearl was fortunate to inherit some core players including the SEC’s all time 3 point shooter. He and his staff still had to coach/manage/develop so they get the credit, but he was fortunate to have that to work with. He also had to get him to stay when Louisville (among others) was calling.
 
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#88
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MoCo_Vol said:
Green actually had to build from nothing too, Wade & O’Neill had 1 over 500 season in their combined 8 years here and were both sub 38% in SEC play.

Green won a SEC regular season title & made a Sweet Sixteen in his 4 years and is ahead of Pearl in winning % at UT too.
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Green acquired a great recruiting class from O’Neill after his sudden departure. Green didn’t build from nothing as the incoming class was elite. Had Kevin not had the conflict with Dickey, it would have been he who would have had a couple of very good teams.
 
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sigmundoooz said:
I think you are making too much of the word "owe". Pearl was very instrumental in getting the program to the place it could go through Martin & Donnie and be able to bring in Coach Barnes. I think we should all show the kind of affection for Pearl that Barnes does. Those two don't greet each other after games like most coaches would. There is a lot more affection between the two because of the Tennessee connection they share and the type of individuals they are away from the game.
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Exactly. Some of these guys took what I said to mean Pearl was responsible for all Barnes success, or at least a great portion of it
That's not what I meant.
What I meant was more along the lines of a bit of a thanks. A recognition for what Pearl did here in making it a nice spot for a desirable head coach to land.
Barnes knew from the success Pearl had that this was going to be a really nice spot to build and finish the last portion of his coaching career.

That said, I definitely think Pearl built the fanebase/ overall popularity here and that certainly benefited Barnes in terms of recruitment/ NIL money.
 
#91
#91
VolsAgainstTheWorld15 said:
Yep. Green gets the credit for the wins, but crazy Kevin gets an assist for bringing in the soldiers that frankly made Green look like a much better coach than he really was.
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Green did recruit Haislip, Yarbrough, Slay and some other talented players like Higgins. Green was a hell of a lot better than Buzz
 
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Exactly. Some of these guys took what I said to mean Pearl was responsible for all Barnes success, or at least a great portion of it
That's not what I meant.
What I meant was more along the lines of a bit of a thanks. A recognition for what Pearl did here in making it a nice spot for a desirable head coach to land.
Barnes knew from the success Pearl had that this was going to be a really nice spot to build and finish the last portion of his coaching career.

That said, I definitely think Pearl built the fanebase here and that certainly benefited Barnes in terms of recruitment/ NIL money.
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Mears built the fan base here. Saturday night at Stokely was a packed house (13000) with a Harlem Globetrotters type warmup. Back when being a top 20 team wasn't necessarily getting to the dance
 
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Green did recruit Haislip, Yarbrough, Slay and some other talented players like Higgins. Green was a hell of a lot better than Buzz
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I agree, but Buzz is a low bar. Who in the last 40-50 years wasn’t better than Buzz aside from Wade Houston? Cuonzo was pretty mediocre but he as fortunate enough to stumble into Stokes and Richardson in addition to inheriting McRae. Tyndall is hard to judge for sure given he only was here for one season with a mediocre (at best) roster. Those are the only two I think are in the Buzz realm, but both are better than Buzz imo.
 
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#96
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BernardKingGOAT said:
Mears built the fan base here. Saturday night at Stokely was a packed house (13000) with a Harlem Globetrotters type warmup. Back when being a top 20 team wasn't necessarily getting to the dance
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Like I said, he can be on my thank you list when we get the Natty.
That said, Pearl got us a ton of National attention. That attention means more ad dollars which means more money for the program.
More fans from outside of our local area and what not, too.
 
#97
#97
Anti-shunshinepumper said:
Like I said, he can be on my thank you list when we get the Natty.
That said, Pearl got us a ton of National attention. That attention means more ad dollars which means more money for the program.
More fans from outside of our local area and what not, too.
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Mears had two players on the cover of SI, which was THE biggest stage for national attention. He also recruited UT's GOAT player and another top 5 player. There was a reason why Pearl made a big deal of the Mears years. CJ Watson wore King's number for a game Pearl's first year here
 
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#98
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Anti-shunshinepumper said:
You keep missing the point, and I think at this point it is intentional. ( Pearl hate?)

Without Pearl having those winning seasons the job at Tennessee is not going to be desirable enough for Barnes to even want.
We couldn't get a head coach worth a flip before Pearl. Certainly not a big name head coach. Like another poster said, he showed "if you build it they will come".
Besides that, he showed there was an appetite for winning men's basketball here as much as there was for football.
He also proved to other big name coaches you could be successful here.
I'm telling you, without those winning seasons by from Pearl, Barnes doesn’t come here and have a nice spot to set up shop after Texas ran him off.
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While I am not a Pearl hater and did enjoy his years here, I do blame him (and the administration) for the mess he left.

However, I didn’t see any big name coaches giving us the time of day after he was let go. The only reason we got Barnes is because Texas screwed up and thought he was past his prime. Big mistake! Barnes has done more for the future of Tennessee basketball than Pearl ever did.

Not sure if Pearl had anything to do with Barnes coming here.
 
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#99
#99
Stoerner Fumbles said:
Pearl lied about drug test results before the investigation and then again with Williams after. I don’t know what the four years comment is about. I said it took us a long time to get our feet under us. It did. Barnes had rough seasons at the beginning. It was not easy to recruit here then. He had to start from scratch.
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I know of people that have quit his staff at Auburn because he tries to get them to cover up stuff.

He is a good coach, a good marketer and enjoyable to watch. He is also an unethical POS.
 
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