Pearl (Gilbert,DNJ)

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VOLS85 said:
I think it's glaringly obvious that Pearl's play is predicated on speed/three point shooting, both of which have been missing this year. His biggest mistake was slowing the game down and stifling the athleticism of our players. I think you could see that he picked up the pace in Wednesday's game, and it worked.

The fact that he slowed us down so much is my biggest qualm with him this year, but I'm also not ready to start doubting his coaching ability in comparison to that of our previous coaching staffs.
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how did he pick up the pace Wednesday night. Stansbury was the one driving that train.
 
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hatvol96 said:
How he compares to previous coaches is utterly irrelevant. The issue is how he stacks up to the coaches we're competing with for recruits and championships.
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I simply find it quirky that you have put such a tight leash on Pearl after putting us back on the map the last two years. I'm not giving him a free pass, but for us to expect another top 10 caliber year is hard to do considering the point production that was lost after last year, especially from behind the arc, and what we're putting in place of it. It's youth and inexperience in the backcourt, and whether you like it or not, not every 5 star player is going to be an instant 20 ppg game changer. Now feel free to lambaste my opinion on why I don't think we're completely screwed in the future.
 
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hatvol96 said:
How he compares to previous coaches is utterly irrelevant. The issue is how he stacks up to the coaches we're competing with for recruits and championships.
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Personal feelings about the man aside, what is your evaluation of how he is competing against the coaches we are recruiting against for recruits and championships?
 
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cotton said:
Personal feelings about the man aside, what is your evaluation of how he is competing against the coaches we are recruiting against for recruits and championships?
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Tennessee has yet, in the now near 4 full seasons Pearl has been in Knoxville, to show any consistent aptitude in the halfcourt on either end of the floor. Inability, or unwillingness, to adapt and modify one's system to alleviate obvious problems is not a trait that is going to beat the John Caliparis of the world going forward. Take what you will out of that.
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hatvol96 said:
Tennessee has yet, in the now near 4 full seasons Pearl has been in Knoxville, to show any consistent aptitude in the halfcourt on either end of the floor. Inability, or unwillingness, to adapt and modify one's system to alleviate obvious problems is not a trait that is going to beat the John Caliparis of the world going forward. Take what you will out of that.
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I just have to ask why you say John Calipari. I know he's one of your favorites, but why not say someone like Bill Self, or Roy, or K or Calhoun or someone with national titles?

Surely you aren't just basing it on recruiting against an instate rival? This isn't an attack, just a curiousity question. I think Calipari is a very good coach, I just would have used a different name.
 
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volfanbill said:
I just have to ask why you say John Calipari. I know he's one of your favorites, but why not say someone like Bill Self, or Roy, or K or Calhoun or someone with national titles?

Surely you aren't just basing it on recruiting against an instate rival? This isn't an attack, just a curiousity question. I think Calipari is a very good coach, I just would have used a different name.
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Cal is, in my opinion, the best coach we play every year. That's why I used him.
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BigPapaVol said:
Regardless, we're definitely recruiting against him, unless we're stupid.
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You clearly are. I wasn't implying otherwise. But my problems with Pearl have nothing to do with recruiting, instead with on the court performance. From what I skimmed through, I think hat agrees that is the biggest problem.
 
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lawgator1 said:
FWIW, as an outsider, I don't see why people have to be on one side or the other with regard to Pearl. I mean, why can't you be enthused about the energy he has brought to the program but at the same time be concerned or even critical of performance in certain games, recruiting tendencies, or general team management issues?

Again, as an outsider, my impression of Pearl is mostly positive. Are there things that he does that have made me wonder a little bit? Sure. But that doesn't mean that overall he isn't advancing the prgoram and giving you a good product.
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And that's what I was trying to say, maybe not very well. While I am very excited about what Pearl has done for the program, I can see the halfcourt deficiencies. I don't think we need to slurp our coaches all of the time, but I don't think we need to say that he is horrible, a snake, a jester, or a blind pig (all quotes from various posters). I would hope that while we'd point out the negative, we would also give him credit for the positive that he has done for this program. Before we become that championship program overnight, it's nice to string together streaks of NCAA tourney play.
 
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Oldblood said:
And that's what I was trying to say, maybe not very well. While I am very excited about what Pearl has done for the program, I can see the halfcourt deficiencies. I don't think we need to slurp our coaches all of the time, but I don't think we need to say that he is horrible, a snake, a jester, or a blind pig (all quotes from various posters). I would hope that while we'd point out the negative, we would also give him credit for the positive that he has done for this program. Before we become that championship program overnight, it's nice to string together streaks of NCAA tourney play.
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+1
 
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hatvol96 said:
Tennessee has yet, in the now near 4 full seasons Pearl has been in Knoxville, to show any consistent aptitude in the halfcourt on either end of the floor. Inability, or unwillingness, to adapt and modify one's system to alleviate obvious problems is not a trait that is going to beat the John Caliparis of the world going forward. Take what you will out of that.
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I hadn't really considered Cal a coach we compete against for championships, although Tennessee certainly recruits against him.

It is also a bit difficult to predict future performance without introducing a little subjectivity into the prediction. Historically, Pearl is even with Calipari since he has been at Tennessee, not bad considering that many--including me--would consider Cal to be one of the best in the game.

I have problems with the way Tennessee looks on the floor at times. Pearl's teams don't always take care of the basketball, alternate between dormant and helter-skelter in the half-court offense, and don't play defense the way I think it is supposed to be played. But they have also had pretty good results, winning the SEC once, finishing second twice, and remaining in the thick of an admittedly weaker east again in his four years.

If you are going to compare him to Cal, his resume is going to be lacking, even though he has won as many as he has lost against him. If you are going to measure him to the rest of the guys in the conference, I'd say he compares favorably to everyone but Donovan, who he has owned head to head.

Things might have been magical if we had hired Bob Huggins instead of Pearl, but we didn't. We got Bruce, and he has done a good job, even if the current squad hasn't lived up to its lofty preseason rankings.
 
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volfanbill said:
You clearly are. I wasn't implying otherwise. But my problems with Pearl have nothing to do with recruiting, instead with on the court performance. From what I skimmed through, I think hat agrees that is the biggest problem.
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I understand, but a huge part of the equation is that Cal is outrecruitimg us badly and we're often after the same kids.
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#139
His results since he's been at Tennessee don't appear to be in discussion (although I haven't read all of the thread). It almost seems like its a topic being avoided. He's 44-20 against the SEC coaches with a regular season title so far. And he's 6-1 against the guy with 3 NCAA finals (winning 2) and 2-2 against the guy with one NCAA final. This thread appears to be about how he's achieved those results and the risk of his approaches/skills or lack thereof.

Its interesting to me that the "fire Fulmer" threads were all about his results and specifically his results against the other coaches who produced BCS appearances.
 
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ZZ13 said:
His results since he's been at Tennessee don't appear to be in discussion (although I haven't read all of the thread). It almost seems like its a topic being avoided. He's 44-20 against the SEC coaches with a regular season title so far. And he's 6-1 against the guy with 3 NCAA finals (winning 2) and 2-2 against the guy with one NCAA final. This thread appears to be about how he's achieved those results and the risk of his approaches/skills or lack thereof.

Its interesting to me that the "fire Fulmer" threads were all about his results and specifically his results against the other coaches who produced BCS appearances.
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He's also 2-2 against Jeff Lebo. Snapshots don't do much for me.
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Neither side can be proven right or wrong in this argument until we have some more results/time. If Pearl does continue to struggle over the next 2-3 years, then the anti-Pearl crowd is right. If he does well, exceeding his results at UT in the previous three years, then I think the pro-Pearl side is right. If I had to predict, I think we'll end up somewhere in the middle. I think CBP has brought this program to a new level, but I am just not confident that he can take us to the next (championship) level. We'll see.
 
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#142
Wow, I really shouldn't post after midnight. That was a novel.

To sum up, using championships and recruiting as the scoreboard:

Donovan and Cal > Pearl
Pearl looks much more favorable head to head

Pearl > everybody else

hatvol96 said:
He's also 2-2 against Jeff Lebo. Snapshots don't do much for me.
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Lebo is competing poorly against us for recruits and championships.
 
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#143
ZZ13 said:
His results since he's been at Tennessee don't appear to be in discussion (although I haven't read all of the thread). It almost seems like its a topic being avoided. He's 44-20 against the SEC coaches with a regular season title so far. And he's 6-1 against the guy with 3 NCAA finals (winning 2) and 2-2 against the guy with one NCAA final. This thread appears to be about how he's achieved those results and the risk of his approaches/skills or lack thereof.

Its interesting to me that the "fire Fulmer" threads were all about his results and specifically his results against the other coaches who produced BCS appearances.
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Pearl's regular season numbers are great, but good halfcourt sets are what get you wins in March.
 
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hatvol96 said:
He's also 2-2 against Jeff Lebo. Snapshots don't do much for me.
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And 1-3 against Billy Clyde, with 2 of them being absolute butt-kickings and Pearl's only win was a 3 point win at TBA with Patterson not even playing. He could easily be 0-4.

Not that it's the exact same, but one of the reasons Fulmer was constantly dogged was because he couldn't beat Florida consistently, and in at least the recent past Florida has been our most important rival in terms of the division. Pearl so far is showing he can't beat Kentucky. He teased us with his first win at Rupp but hasn't done much to impress in the series since. This year's performance against them was embarrassing. Even Vandy in the past 4 years has swept Kentucky....TWICE.

Not that I want Pearl gone or anything, far from it, but I think it's worth mentioning. Some of us want to consistently beat Kentucky. I hate them with a passion, and unfortunately even with our great success, Kentucky owning us hasn't changed. That's quite distressing to me, especially when we've had the better team (except this year).
 
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rbell said:
I support all UT athletics, but don't support Bruce Pearl. I worked with him when he was at the University of Wisconsin-Milwaukee and the man is a snake in the grass. I don't think he's a good X's and O's coach, but coaches a fun style of bball that most players enjoying in playing in. When they can run they're good, but in the half court game they suck because Pearl isn't good at that. I compare him to a used car salesman, he'll tell you what you want to hear so you buy the car, but when you drive it home it'll breakdown on you. I think he's done a good job selling people and getting them excited about Tennessee bball, which is great, but it's just like the complaints about Fulmer.....he's a good recruiter, but doesn't do a good job teaching these guys once he gets them in. Like I said, I've seen him "coaching" players in practice and the man just isn't good at the X's and O's.
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you think we should spend half a million or more on a supporting cast around him? or look elsewhere?
 
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VOLS85 said:
One subpar year and this board goes to hell in a handbasket...and subpar will even get us in the tourney. Is this conversation really happening? I've seen enough of Buzz ball to know that it could be a lot worse. Not to say I don't demand better, but man, you people get your panties in a wad quickly.
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I'm getting a bit tired of this "argument". So because we used to suck, we can't objectively judge the job being done this year? Face it, he has raised the bar here, and with that come raised expectations. I'm not living in the past with Buzz and Kevin and Wade anymore, I'm living now, where we are picked to win the SEC and we've come up very short this season. I'm not going to sit around and say "La de dah...oh well at least it's not 1992 anymore...at least I don't have to listen to Buzz stutter through another post game interview..."

And objectively critiquing Pearl does NOT mean anyone wants him fired.
 
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#147
VolsSportsFan said:
And 1-3 against Billy Clyde, with 2 of them being absolute butt-kickings and Pearl's only win was a 3 point win at TBA with Patterson not even playing. He could easily be 0-4.

Not that it's the exact same, but one of the reasons Fulmer was constantly dogged was because he couldn't beat Florida consistently, and in at least the recent past Florida has been our most important rival in terms of the division. Pearl so far is showing he can't beat Kentucky. He teased us with his first win at Rupp but hasn't done much to impress in the series since. This year's performance against them was embarrassing. Even Vandy in the past 4 years has swept Kentucky....TWICE.

Not that I want Pearl gone or anything, far from it, but I think it's worth mentioning. Some of us want to consistently beat Kentucky. I hate them with a passion, and unfortunately even with our great success, Kentucky owning us hasn't changed. That's quite distressing to me, especially when we've had the better team (except this year).
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Judging by this season and a potential NIT for KY, Pearl may not have to worry about Billy Clyde too much longer. While KY fans should be patient with him, they won't be.
 
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#148
pearl needs to recruit emmanuel andrews from shelbyville, . he's only a junior this year he scored 33 tonight againt mr. basketball finalist kerry hammonds. this kid can shoot lights out, he had 8 three's tonight. he is from the same high school that msu barry stewart is from
 
#149
#149
Somewhere in the quagmire of this thread someone mentioned getting into the halfcourt offense to get a needed shot. It takes those kind of players. He is recruiting the right areas for the guards that can do this. He is looking in the midwest which is the hotbed of basketball. We will see if the pieces he is putting together brings us a championship in the future. Face it, BP has brought ut back to life and off life support. Go vols!!:clapping:
 
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