Pember

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vols 30 said:
Agree. He can't shoot and weighs 140 pounds. Great effort guy but that's about it.

Both He and Pember will have to take monumental leaps to contribute in the future.
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My two cents on Pember.
He is the one player on the current roster that I don’t think ever really contributes to the team.
He was a recruiting reach. He has young players on the current roster that play the same positions who are better than him. (Olivier, Gaines, Walker.) Barnes will continue to recruit players that are better than him. That is okay. On a 13 man roster you need some bench warmers. A local kid with a good attitude can fill that role.
 
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Gaines is just blocked by great talent but fits well in Barnes's system. Pember not so much.
 
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We should all try to remember that when the Incredible Fulk got here he was skinny as a rail, so much so he almost had his arm ripped off by an opposing player during a fight for the ball. He hit the weights, did all those things that Barnes wanted him to do and in three years led us to a big win against Kentucky and their blue bloods. My point being, it's too early to say the kid isn't good enough.

I do agree that it will be difficult to get meaningful PT if Barnes keeps recruiting like the last two years, but I think we all need to anticipate that we might have as many as 3 underclassmen go pro after this year plus Fulk and Pons. You may be pretty happy Pember stuck it out when the 2021-22 season gets here.
 
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My 2 cents...if Uros/Gaines/Pember are you 10-13 are you really displeased? Would you rather have a Kwe Parker/DJ Burns/Ray Kasongo? My main point being that rarely do 10-13 on a team contribute to the outcome of a game, but they are important to practices and team culture, something you hear anyone around the program rave about.

Hypothetically, you lost Pons, Fulk and 1 of the frosh, you bring in Chandler/Mashack/Grad Transfer...those 3 guys are still your 10-13 and probably not seeing big minutes. However, they know the culture, they know what’s expected, they bust their ass regardless of minutes played, and they help bring freshman along even though they’re taking minutes from them. I would rather have that on my roster at those spots than the previously mentioned guys who didn’t really contribute much and also weren’t the best cultural fits for the program.

Basketball has more scholarships than needed, it’s why I’ve long been a proponent of taking a sit out transfer and redshirting them because you have that luxury every year. Just my 2 cents.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
My 2 cents...if Uros/Gaines/Pember are you 10-13 are you really displeased? Would you rather have a Kwe Parker/DJ Burns/Ray Kasongo? My main point being that rarely do 10-13 on a team contribute to the outcome of a game, but they are important to practices and team culture, something you hear anyone around the program rave about.

Hypothetically, you lost Pons, Fulk and 1 of the frosh, you bring in Chandler/Mashack/Grad Transfer...those 3 guys are still your 10-13 and probably not seeing big minutes. However, they know the culture, they know what’s expected, they bust their ass regardless of minutes played, and they help bring freshman along even though they’re taking minutes from them. I would rather have that on my roster at those spots than the previously mentioned guys who didn’t really contribute much and also weren’t the best cultural fits for the program.

Basketball has more scholarships than needed, it’s why I’ve long been a proponent of taking a sit out transfer and redshirting them because you have that luxury every year. Just my 2 cents.
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the issue is when it’s clear a player is never going to be better than 10-13 it’s time to filter them out and get a younger guy to fill those spots

the hesitation to do that is why last year was a failure
 
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BruinVol said:
the issue is when it’s clear a player is never going to be better than 10-13 it’s time to filter them out and get a younger guy to fill those spots

the hesitation to do that is why last year was a failure
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Recruiting and then cutting guys loose can’t be good for team culture/chemistry. Also could hurt in recruiting if players see a pattern of guys coming and then leaving the program. Right now it looks like Barnes has a good team chemistry. Something to consider before the program becomes a revolving door.
 
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BruinVol said:
the issue is when it’s clear a player is never going to be better than 10-13 it’s time to filter them out and get a younger guy to fill those spots

the hesitation to do that is why last year was a failure
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I think last year was a failure for more than just that reason...Uros/Pember/Gaines were still the last guys on your bench and were all in Year 1, so by your calculations they still should’ve been there, not someone else.
 
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LeannaVol said:
Recruiting and then cutting guys loose can’t be good for team culture/chemistry. Also could hurt in recruiting if players see a pattern of guys coming and then leaving the program. Right now it looks like Barnes has a good team chemistry. Something to consider before the program becomes a revolving door.
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I’ve said many times I admire Barnes for being loyal to his players like Kent

but I think that its a reasonable discussion regarding what’s worse a roster that has a player or 2 cut loose or a roster with 1-2 older
Players that aren’t playing. Imo older players that aren’t playing can really cause poor team chemistry.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
I think last year was a failure for more than just that reason...Uros/Pember/Gaines were still the last guys on your bench and were all in Year 1, so by your calculations they still should’ve been there, not someone else.
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Sure it was more than just that reason. It was a combination of things

Gaines was sitting in that 9 spot a year ago.
 
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BruinVol said:
I’ve said many times I admire Barnes for being loyal to his players like Kent

but I think that its a reasonable discussion regarding what’s worse a roster that has a player or 2 cut loose or a roster with 1-2 older
Players that aren’t playing. Imo older players that aren’t playing can really cause poor team chemistry.
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Plenty of guys don’t stay in the program for the full 4-5 years. By all appearances CRB shows guys the door if they’re not with the program. If they stick around I’ll bet they’re not a problem. JMO
 
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walkenvol said:
Plenty of guys don’t stay in the program for the full 4-5 years. By all appearances CRB shows guys the door if they’re not with the program. If they stick around I’ll bet they’re not a problem. JMO
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There were reports of kent being a issue last year. Checked out with little effort in practices was the scuttle butt
 
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And he checked right out of the program also. Kent’s one of the examples I was referring to.
 
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BruinVol said:
the issue is when it’s clear a player is never going to be better than 10-13 it’s time to filter them out and get a younger guy to fill those spots

the hesitation to do that is why last year was a failure
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I think it’s fine to take high potential guys you develop over time. Projects. Not a bench full, but 1 or 2.

Kyle Alexander for instance, although he got thrown to the wolves earlier than anyone wanted. But he was a raw player that turned into a great contributor.

Pember specifically has a unique combination of height and skills that make him interesting.
 
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The kid is a fr for geez sakes. He needs to get stronger and to mature some and he will certainly be a good player down the road. He has too many skills not to be.
 
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BruinVol said:
the issue is when it’s clear a player is never going to be better than 10-13 it’s time to filter them out and get a younger guy to fill those spots

the hesitation to do that is why last year was a failure
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Spot freaking on. Dead weight will will almost always cost you in college sports. Finally someone on here that understands opportunity cost.
 
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LeannaVol said:
Recruiting and then cutting guys loose can’t be good for team culture/chemistry. Also could hurt in recruiting if players see a pattern of guys coming and then leaving the program. Right now it looks like Barnes has a good team chemistry. Something to consider before the program becomes a revolving door.
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Not being specific to any one player but as a general rule if a kid is never gonna play it's the coaches responsibility to send him on. This is for the benefit of the team and the player himself. I guess what I'm saying is there is a respectful way to do it. Support the kid all the way through the process of finding a new team and school that's a good fit. All coaches send players on including Barnes but some are just jerks about it.
 
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bleedingTNorange said:
My 2 cents...if Uros/Gaines/Pember are you 10-13 are you really displeased? Would you rather have a Kwe Parker/DJ Burns/Ray Kasongo? My main point being that rarely do 10-13 on a team contribute to the outcome of a game, but they are important to practices and team culture, something you hear anyone around the program rave about.

Hypothetically, you lost Pons, Fulk and 1 of the frosh, you bring in Chandler/Mashack/Grad Transfer...those 3 guys are still your 10-13 and probably not seeing big minutes. However, they know the culture, they know what’s expected, they bust their ass regardless of minutes played, and they help bring freshman along even though they’re taking minutes from them. I would rather have that on my roster at those spots than the previously mentioned guys who didn’t really contribute much and also weren’t the best cultural fits for the program.

Basketball has more scholarships than needed, it’s why I’ve long been a proponent of taking a sit out transfer and redshirting them because you have that luxury every year. Just my 2 cents.
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And to add to it, those three guys aren't a distraction with me-first attitudes. You replace them with guys (Kasongo) who think they are God's gift to basketball, and the culture and chemistry go in the toilet. The saying "one bad apple spoils the bunch" is especially true in a locker room of 16 guys.
 
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