Penn State sanctions reduced

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bamawriter said:
So, if I'm a former coach and the current coach knows of my plans, but I commit the crime in the library or the law school building, then the NCAA has to stay out of it, right?
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You mean if the power of the program and its administrators was used to protect a murderer and in doing so enabled him to continue his crimes?
 
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Velo Vol said:
Which is the responsibility of the criminal justice system, not the NCAA.
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Bingo.


Even the Department of Education (which I had been told could do, financially, more damage than the NCAA) should have been coming at them / acting on this before the NCAA were to do anything.
 
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I don't feel sorry for PSU nor do I care that the NCAA reacted the way they did under the circumstances. The NCAA is a private organization and its members are subject to its rules and decisions. The NCAA was well within their rights to act.
 
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golfballs said:
I don't feel sorry for PSU nor do I care that the NCAA reacted the way they did under the circumstances. The NCAA is a private organization and its members are subject to its rules and decisions. The NCAA was well within their rights to act.
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Totally agree
 
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golfballs said:
You mean if the power of the program and its administrators was used to protect a murderer and in doing so enabled him to continue his crimes?
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If only there were some mechanism, some kind of system designed to punish criminals and those that enable them and remove them from society so that they aren't capable of further crimes...

Well, since nothing like that exists, I guess the NCAA is all we have. You've convinced me.
 
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aredfox28 said:
Its an athletic facility, how would it not???? If the player, coaches are governed by the ncaa, why wouldnt the stadiums, arenas, and practice facilities. .
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Then why should it matter if I'm a member of the athletic staff when I murder some inside Neyland Stadium? You just said UT should only be held accountable for that offense if I'm a current or former member of the athletic staff. You are arguing against yourself.
 
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aredfox28 said:
You would think it has all jurisdiction in all and any athletic facility.
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Except the NCAA is all about eligibility issues and rule infractions related to athletic fair play (/ fair playing field) by its design and the powers given to it.

I'm okay with you saying you're glad they did what they did, but it was clearly an overstepping of its designed and practiced boundaries as well as possibly a power grab.


It's not, though, the same kind of governing body as say the NFL commissioner and his front office is to those franchises/teams.


(As a side note, it probably also resulted in the school paying all the victims in court less, since the court would have to recognize what was already done.)


(Though then again the DOE could probably have done much more of a number on them than the NCAA)
 
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bamawriter said:
Then why should it matter if I'm a member of the athletic staff when I murder some inside Neyland Stadium? You just said UT should only be held accountable for that offense if I'm a current or former member of the athletic staff. You are arguing against yourself.
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No no? You must of misunderstood ..no, the coaches and university should be dealt with from law officials and the NCAA...
 
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bamawriter said:
If only there were some mechanism, some kind of system designed to punish criminals and those that enable them and remove them from society so that they aren't capable of further crimes...

Well, since nothing like that exists, I guess the NCAA is all we have. You've convinced me.
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You are confounding the issues. Besides, they aren't mutually exclusive. The justice systems actions obviously didn't preclude the NCAA from acting. The two aren't mutually exclusive. To think they work in lieu of each other is retarded.
 
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True Orange. . Maybe then they did overstep the boundaries. . I don't know.. you would think that they could have a say in the punishment. .
 
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aredfox28 said:
True Orange. . Maybe then they did overstep the boundaries. . I don't know.. you would think that they could have a say in the punishment. .
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Maybe they could have later on, but not in the way they actually did. That's really been the biggest criticism of their actions in this incident

In 2012, the NCAA was criticized for implementing penalties and bowl suspensions to the Pennsylvania State University and Football program without performing an investigation, for overstepping the NCAA bounds of athletic related rules infractions and disallowing any possible appeal as per the NCAA processes and procedures allow.
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Then lift all the sanctions. This should have been handled in the courts.. Knee jerk reaction too appease a handful of loudmouth idiots..
 
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Anyone who says kids now shouldn't be punished for what others did need only look at... well virtually every punishment the NCAA has levied. USC is a good example.
 
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Velo Vol said:
Which is the responsibility of the criminal justice system, not the NCAA.
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If the football coaches and/or administration cover up criminal acts by football staffers within the football facilities for the purpose of protecting the football program, then they deserve sanctions for lack of institutional control, IMO.

The purpose of the cover up was to protect PSU football; therefore, they perceived that covering it up would benefit the program.
 
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ukvols said:
If the football coaches and/or administration cover up criminal acts by football staffers within the football facilities for the purpose of protecting the football program, then they deserve sanctions for lack of institutional control, IMO.

The purpose of the cover up was to protect PSU football; therefore, they perceived that covering it up would benefit the program.
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VENGEANCE! We must have vengeance!
 
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Program totally out of control involving criminal activity regarding athletes? Not sure why some thing the NCAA shouldn't have been involved.
 
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Slydell said:
Program totally out of control involving criminal activity regarding athletes? Not sure why some thing the NCAA shouldn't have been involved.
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Because the bylaws, approved by the membership, don't give the NCAA that kind of authority. And what athletes were involved?
 
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