Penn State scandal (merged)

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PSU will not be relevant for 10 years and they shouldn't be. Sandusky is a sick bastard but he is what he is. Pedophiles can't change what they are. Everyone with knowledge of the criminal activity in some ways are worse because they allowed it to happen and turned a blind eye. Joe Paterno is dead but the rest of the accomplices have some serious atoning to do.
 
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Gary10ec1 said:
PSU will not be relevant for 10 years and they shouldn't be. Sandusky is a sick bastard but he is what he is. Pedophiles can't change what they are. Everyone with knowledge of the criminal activity in some ways are worse because they allowed it to happen and turned a blind eye. Joe Paterno is dead but the rest of the accomplices have some serious atoning to do.
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I'm thinking more like 20 years.
 
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Gary10ec1 said:
PSU will not be relevant for 10 years and they shouldn't be. Sandusky is a sick bastard but he is what he is. Pedophiles can't change what they are. Everyone with knowledge of the criminal activity in some ways are worse because they allowed it to happen and turned a blind eye. Joe Paterno is dead but the rest of the accomplices have some serious atoning to do.
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Oh! This is a Penn State thread! How silly was I to think this thread was about TENNESSEE!?
 
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Gary10ec1 said:
PSU will not be relevant for 10 years and they shouldn't be. Sandusky is a sick bastard but he is what he is. Pedophiles can't change what they are. Everyone with knowledge of the criminal activity in some ways are worse because they allowed it to happen and turned a blind eye. Joe Paterno is dead but the rest of the accomplices have some serious atoning to do.
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Excuse me? you got some explaining to do moron!
 
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Gary10ec1 said:
PSU will not be relevant for 10 years and they shouldn't be. Sandusky is a sick bastard but he is what he is. Pedophiles can't change what they are. Everyone with knowledge of the criminal activity in some ways are worse because they allowed it to happen and turned a blind eye. Joe Paterno is dead but the rest of the accomplices have some serious atoning to do.
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One more time?
 
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Gary10ec1 said:
PSU will not be relevant for 10 years and they shouldn't be. Sandusky is a sick bastard but he is what he is. Pedophiles can't change what they are. Everyone with knowledge of the criminal activity in some ways are worse because they allowed it to happen and turned a blind eye. Joe Paterno is dead but the rest of the accomplices have some serious atoning to do.
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Not to get too off topic here, but I hear a ton of people say that PSU was penalized too hard. They will go on about how penalizing the current players and administration isn't fair. The only question I ask in return is this: let's say that there were no penalties in 2012 and PSU won a national championship, how would you feel about that?

That is always answered with silence.
 
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Cyclopskiller said:
Excuse me? you got some explaining to do moron!
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More and more evidence is pointing towards pedophiles, endophiles, etc being biologically born more attracted to their type of "thing."

It's already all but a biological fact that people who are gay have genetic differences in their brains and hormone imbalances that thar straight people don't have, as in we have noticed it in several other animals as well. It's not a popular opinion in the south (bible belt or really America yet), but truth is biology and science are slowly explaining that these are genetic mutations and defects no different than autism or being a different race.

Doesn't make them less monsters when they do things like Sandusky did, but in thirty or forty years we very well may be able to identify the genome that causes it even.
 
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daj2576 said:
Not to get too off topic here, but I hear a ton of people say that PSU was penalized too hard. They will go on about how penalizing the current players and administration isn't fair. The only question I ask in return is this: let's say that there were no penalties in 2012 and PSU won a national championship, how would you feel about that?

That is always answered with silence.
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If they did win it wouldn't bother me. I think the people who were involved should be punished for their crime. The football program as a whole had nothing to do with sandusky's behavior.

It's the equivalent of if your VP molested a child and your President found out about it but didn't say anything about it. Should they punish all the workers or just the people responsible?
 
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Daloth said:
More and more evidence is pointing towards pedophiles, endophiles, etc being biologically born more attracted to their type of "thing."

It's already all but a biological fact that people who are gay have genetic differences in their brains and hormone imbalances that thar straight people don't have, as in we have noticed it in several other animals as well. It's not a popular opinion in the south (bible belt or really America yet), but truth is biology and science are slowly explaining that these are genetic mutations and defects no different than autism or being a different race.

Doesn't make them less monsters when they do things like Sandusky did, but in thirty or forty years we very well may be able to identify the genome that causes it even.
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I agree with you. But you just got yourself in a battle with a lot of people who are going to play the "it's a choice" card.
 
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DL916 said:
If they did win it wouldn't bother me. I think the people who were involved should be punished for their crime. The football program as a whole had nothing to do with sandusky's behavior.

It's the equivalent of if your VP molested a child and your President found out about it but didn't say anything about it. Should they punish all the workers or just the people responsible?
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I respect your opinion, I just totally disagree.

The whole reason for the cover up was to protect the football program. If the allegations had come out with Sandusky on staff, the football program would have suffered either through diminished recruiting, or other avenues. If this had gone unpunished, it tells programs that when major crimes are committed to hide them as long as possible and nothing will happen to the thing you were trying to protect (yes, there will be criminal penalties to a few individuals, but the program marches on).

Programs know you don't pay players, or your program will be shut down. Allow boys to be raped in your showers by a staff member, and you get to go on because it wasn't "football related" or it hurts people who weren't involved. Do you think the people who were hurt at USC or SMU or OSU were actually involved in any of those comparatively minor infractions? nope.

To put it in simpler terms, if your boss (assuming you work in corporate America) criminally embezzles funds and the corporation goes bankrupt, you are out of a job by no fault of your own. There is no parachute or special protection for you, you are done (ask employees of ENRON). It is death by association. It happens in the real world, in academia and in sports.
 
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DL916 said:
I agree with you. But you just got yourself in a battle with a lot of people who are going to play the "it's a choice" card.
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You guys may be right. The problem is that most legal statutes regarding rape of minors don't care what your mental status is. To compare, if you murder someone you have to have either premeditated it, intended it or committed the act "knowingly". In legal terms, that is called a "mens rea" or guilty mind.

For these types of crimes the statutes are generally written without a mens rea requirement. Meaning once you sexually penetrate a minor, you are guilty. It doesn't matter if you knew they were a minor, if you meant to do it, or if you were unable to understand that you were doing it. You are guilty.

If you are right and 50 years in the future we have a different understanding of the biology behind this, then the statutes will have to change too.
 
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Gary10ec1 said:
PSU will not be relevant for 10 years and they shouldn't be. Sandusky is a sick bastard but he is what he is. Pedophiles can't change what they are. Everyone with knowledge of the criminal activity in some ways are worse because they allowed it to happen and turned a blind eye. Joe Paterno is dead but the rest of the accomplices have some serious atoning to do.
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Ok, honest question.

Youve been here 6 years and have 156 and this idea was enough to make you wanna post?
 
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daj2576 said:
I respect your opinion, I just totally disagree.

The whole reason for the cover up was to protect the football program. If the allegations had come out with Sandusky on staff, the football program would have suffered either through diminished recruiting, or other avenues. If this had gone unpunished, it tells programs that when major crimes are committed to hide them as long as possible and nothing will happen to the thing you were trying to protect (yes, there will be criminal penalties to a few individuals, but the program marches on).

Programs know you don't pay players, or your program will be shut down. Allow boys to be raped in your showers by a staff member, and you get to go on because it wasn't "football related" or it hurts people who weren't involved. Do you think the people who were hurt at USC or SMU or OSU were actually involved in any of those comparatively minor infractions? nope.

To put it in simpler terms, if your boss (assuming you work in corporate America) criminally embezzles funds and the corporation goes bankrupt, you are out of a job by no fault of your own. There is no parachute or special protection for you, you are done (ask employees of ENRON). It is death by association. It happens in the real world, in academia and in sports.
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exactly right.it was covered up to protect the football program.thats the reason for the ncaa punishment.
 
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NEOCON said:
Ok, honest question.

Youve been here 6 years and have 156 and this idea was enough to make you wanna post?
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Maybe he has a life unlike you who has to get his post count up high enough to make sure everyone reads your dribble.
 
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"""Sandusky is a sick bastard but he is what he is. Pedophiles can't change what they are"""

keep your gumbified leftist claptrap to the politics boards.
 
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DL916 said:
If they did win it wouldn't bother me. I think the people who were involved should be punished for their crime. The football program as a whole had nothing to do with sandusky's behavior.

It's the equivalent of if your VP molested a child and your President found out about it but didn't say anything about it. Should they punish all the workers or just the people responsible?
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Hmmn...... you may be on to something here.
 
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Daloth said:
More and more evidence is pointing towards pedophiles, endophiles, etc being biologically born more attracted to their type of "thing."

It's already all but a biological fact that people who are gay have genetic differences in their brains and hormone imbalances that thar straight people don't have, as in we have noticed it in several other animals as well. It's not a popular opinion in the south (bible belt or really America yet), but truth is biology and science are slowly explaining that these are genetic mutations and defects no different than autism or being a different race.

Doesn't make them less monsters when they do things like Sandusky did, but in thirty or forty years we very well may be able to identify the genome that causes it even.
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It's the behavior that counts. You can want to steal, cheat on your wife, kill or rape somebody, but 99% of us don't do the act. Fear of punishment, moral compasses or whatever stops the behavior. You are making excuses for criminals and perverts that are dragging down our society.
 
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