Penn State scandal (merged)

[LawVol13]

It was more than hearsay...Why the F would jo pa promote a GA that would lie about such a heinous act conducted by one of your best friends? If you were the boss, would you promote someone that told you one of your best friends butt raped a child?????

theRealUT likes to pretend like he knows things that he clearly doesn't. Hearsay is used as the basis to establish probable cause all the time every single day in all 50 states, and it's 100% legal.

 

[zjcvols]

Yea, they only know about it to the mid 90's. All that is getting involved we will find out more.

He started the foundation in the late 70's...just makes me sick thinking about it.

 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

I have this really bad feeling we could be talking about 50 kids when it's all said and done.

Think about how long this has been going on. 50 would be a low number.

 

[CountVolcula]

I actually didn't mean that in a bad way, just came out bad

I kinda figured that

 

[YorkVol]

absolutely

So then morals aren't Crap.
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[knucklehead_vol]

He won't make it to prison

One can only hope.

 

[ukvols]

He started the foundation in the late 70's...just makes me sick thinking about it.

Yep. One has to wonder when this all started.

 

[LawVol13]

I am one of those persons who studies epistemology.

I don't care what you study. You clearly don't have the first clue about the legal standard of knowledge.

 

[alumvol08]

Think about how long this has been going on. 50 would be a low number.

Somebody as sick as this, I'm afraid you are probably right.

 

[rmsmith]

One can only hope.

actually I hope he does. That would be much worse.

 

[knucklehead_vol]

Think about how long this has been going on. 50 would be a low number.

Sad!

 

[SteveninTenn]

I like how Joe is all powerful and makes all the decisions about stuff when it comes to his retirement and running the program but is just the lowly football coach that answers to a boss when it comes to child sexual abuse in his locker room.

 

[rmsmith]

Think about how long this has been going on. 50 would be a low number.

how long has it been going on?

 

[alumvol08]

actually I hope he does. That would be much worse.

Anything other than prison would be the easy way out for him.

 

[zjcvols]

how long has it been going on?

That we know about (allegations that were made)? 1994.

 

[knucklehead_vol]

how long has it been going on?

94 as of right now, but everyone is worried that it will go back further.

 

[GreatWhiteNorth]

One can only hope.

Oh no, that would be the easy way out for him. I hope he makes it there, alright.

 

[therealUT]

theRealUT likes to pretend like he knows things that he clearly doesn't. Hearsay is used as the basis to establish probable cause all the time every single day in all 50 states, and it's 100% legal.

Did I say that hearsay cannot establish probable cause? I said that hearsay does not establish knowledge. Probable cause is not knowledge. Knowledge is justified true belief: justified truth being stressed in this situation. Hearsay can never establish justification for truth; it can provide justification for belief, though. This leads to Gettier Cases, though, in which knowledge is not ever achieved.

 

[ccVOLSdhf]

Implicates him of what? Curley is the one who used the term "horseplay". not Paterno. You need to read the Grand Jury report, I dont think you're quite up to speed.

BTW, just reported PSU president Spanier has resigned (was fired).

It implactes him of being part of a cover up or senile one way or another. Ive read the entire 23 page indictment, and it's just as disgusting as your defence of him. I've also read where Mcquary himself said that he reported exactally what he saw to all involved. Paterno Curly and the other scumbag. Mcquary's GJT says he heard rhythmic slapping sounds believing the sounds to be sexual. Walked into the shower to see a 10 yr old boys hands against the wall and being subjected to anal intercorse. Paterno's GJT says he was told of fondling or doing something of a sexual nature. Now are you really so dense as to think that Mcquary only reported fondling or somthing of a sexual nature to Paterno,and not exactlly what he saw like he did to the grand jury. If so I think it is you who are not quite up to speed. Further more fondling or somthing of a sexual nature with a 10 yr old boy is plenty for good old Joepa to make sure somthing was done about it. Not turn a blind eye, and do nothing to stop this from happing further. enabling it to happen more which is absolutly deplorable again much like your defence of him!

 

[therealUT]

I don't care what you study. You clearly don't have the first clue about the legal standard of knowledge.

I really do not care about the "legal standard of knowledge"; I care about the absolute standard of knowledge.

 

[rmsmith]

That we know about (allegations that were made)? 1994.

There were some charges dropped by the DA back in the 90's right?

Man, i was still in high school back then.

 

[LawVol13]

Knowledge is justified true belief: justified truth being stressed in this situation.

Look, I'm sure you know much, much more than me in epistemology. I have no doubt about that. Knowledge isn't defined that way legally at all. Knowledge is almost always defined "knew or should have known." There's more than evidence here to show that Paterno should have known.

 

[GAVol]

Penn St BOT about to hold news conference

 

[zjcvols]

There were some charges dropped by the DA back in the 90's right?

Man, i was still in high school back then.

Yup. Didn't have enough evidence. Then allegations came up in 1998 and the rumors are that's why he retired in his young 50's as a DC. This also explains why he never, ever took a head coaching job despite being offered BCS level jobs.

 

[therealUT]

Look, I'm sure you know much, much more than me in epistemology. I have no doubt about that. Knowledge isn't defined that way legally at all. Knowledge is almost always defined "knew or should have known." There's more than evidence here to show that Paterno should have known.

Morals are based upon absolutes, not on legal statutes.