People Need To Cool It With Stars

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I'm sure the OP would still post this thread if our class ranked in the top 3......right? The starts don't matter threads always come around as soon as the ink is dry on a bad class. Never fails
 
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fade route said:
I'm sure the OP would still post this thread if our class ranked in the top 3......right? The starts don't matter threads always come around as soon as the ink is dry on a bad class. Never fails
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Because then the star gazers wouldnt be infiltrating the recruiting forum.
 
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OP there is a direct correlation between winning & competing for championships and FB teams who sign highly rated guys. Why do you think teams like Ohio st, Bama, Clemson, FSU etc are typically in the hunt? It is because they sign a bunch of studs. Coaching is extremely important too but you have to get good players to coach up. Do you Saban, Meyer, or Dabo would win championships with a Northwestern or Rutgers level of recruiting?
 
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bignewt said:
Just because they happen to have a recruiting sites ranking doesn't mean he deemed it more important. His after class comments have been pretty consistent id say.
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How about Butch's often repeated promises from early on that he would get all best in-state talent to come to UT? He did that successfully early on so where is consistency now that he was able to get only one of those players?
 
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TGVol said:
How about Butch's often repeated promises from early on that he would get all best in-state talent to come to UT? He did that successfully early on so where is consistency now that he was able to get only one of those players?
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You might want your list again.
 
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Since 2008 Alabama has won 3 NCs and went to another last year. They have also had the #1 rated recruiting class according to recruiting services for the last 7 (?) years.

Stars matter whether you want to believe it or not, but I also believe some go unnoticed and are severely underrated. If UT signs a similar class to this one in '18 you will see a huge decline in talent.
 
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Got halfway through the first one when it said recruiting inside the top 20 consistently matters. Guess we're all right.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
or facts but we don't have to talk about it, I know it upsets you guys
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Serious question, are you even reading the Articles you're posting?

recruiting inside the top 20 consistently?

To make a serious run at the championship you need at least one top 10 class in the last 4 years? -247

It appears you get to the point of peeing yourself in your hurry to bring anything against UT, onto this board. But if you're going to accuse people of not liking facts, you might want to actually fact check first.
 
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How do you guys think the kids get their rankings to begin with? Do you think that each of these sites have people who go evaluate the players individually and then assign them a ranking that aligns with what coaches say, or. . .

Do you think the major colleges evaluate players and give offers based on what they see, then the recruiting services note the players with the best offers and assign preliminary star rankings?

There is a reason that early classes do not have many 5-stars, if any at all. The recruiting services only give preliminary star rankings in the early stages of a class and those are based on evaluations done by various universities.

The point is, a kid who did not make it into the early evaluations has the deck stacked against him as far as star ratings go. This happens to a ton of recruits and many 3-stars would be 4* or higher if they had camped earlier or if their name had gotten out earlier otherwise.

Even when a player makes it to camp and outperforms many of the higher rated kids, recruiting services may find it difficult to bump them over other recruits who they have a longer history evaluating to that point.

Then there are the sheer numbers. There is no way any recruiting service can accurately evaluate all recruits. In many cases, they are unable to give any evaluation at all.

Sometimes a kid will get a late offer and then the recruiting services are forced to give a grade and it will be much higher than the generic grade they were originally given.

Of course the teams with the highest * rated players are going to have the most success. After-all, the star ratings of the kids are generated by the offers from those very same successful programs.

In other words; a successful program offers a kid, the recruiting service notices early offer from successful program and assigns high star rating, kid commits to the successful program, program's future success is correlated to kids with high star ratings.
 
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chargervol said:
Serious question, are you even reading the Articles you're posting?

recruiting inside the top 20 consistently?

To make a serious run at the championship you need at least one top 10 class in the last 4 years? -247

It appears you get to the point of peeing yourself in your hurry to bring anything against UT, onto this board. But if you're going to accuse people of not liking facts, you might want to actually fact check first.
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I did read the articles, however those articles also mention development being a huge part of success. How well has Butch developed players? More specific on the offensive side of the ball? You know, his wheel house? But while we're talking up Butch as a great recruiter, Dooley had a similar average ranking. Butch is right around 12 according to his rankings on 247, while Dooley's average was 13th.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
I did read the articles, however those articles also mention development being a huge part of success. How well has Butch developed players? More specific on the offensive side of the ball? You know, his wheel house? But while we're talking up Butch as a great recruiter, Dooley had a similar average ranking. Butch is right around 12 according to his rankings on 247, while Dooley's average was 13th.
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Not one thing you just said has anything to do with what you were trying to point out.

You might remember that Dooley didn't recruit well all over the field. You can have skill players and raise your class rankings, but it does no good if they get destroyed before the play even happens.
I'm sorry, but I can't take you serious if you really think the way he accumulated stars, is the same with the way other coaches build their classes.

Not even close.
 
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jbr82 said:
OP, honestly, were you excited about the 14 and 15 classes?
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There is about 115 coaches at other Universities would be damn excited with this class. Our coaches make a living recruiting and coaching football players. The coaches at Tennessee are excited with this class and the talent we have returning. Their jobs depend on how well they do those chores. People who know more about football, basketball or any sport know more than any of us jerks who post on this and any other board. It is time for these negative jerks to cut the crap and let the season play out without your snide remarks. Let it rest and go to Hawaii and get out of the coaches and decent fans hair.
 
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Honestly I'm not hung up on stars. IMO we have many guys in this class who have the tools to be very good players at this level, whether they're ranked high or not. I'm not tremendously high on this class, but I'm not down on it either.

My concern is in our development. Generally, I believe we develop our players well on offense. So if we accept a guy like K'Rojhn Calbert or Timothy Jordan, I'm cool with that. On defense? Different story, because IMO the defensive staff has not earned the benefit of the doubt.
 
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jbr82 said:
OP, honestly, were you excited about the 14 and 15 classes?
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Of course he was, like all the rest of us, because those classes were so highly rated, because of all the 4 and 5 star recruits.
 
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