People Need To Cool It With Stars

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Hacksaw said:
I think a lot of that "research" is weighted by including Alabama and their coach is more of a factor than whether they finish ranked 1st or 15th. There is plenty of other evidence that contradicts the star gazers. For instance, Clemson just won the national title with only one consensus top 10 recruiting class in the past 4 years (2015). They somehow beat a team comprised of three #1 and one #2 nationally-ranked recruiting classes.
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They won that title behind 4 and 5 stars.
 
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So let me get this straight. Players are rated higher when elite coaches go after them? So if elite coaches go after them, that must mean the elite coaches think they are good. So if the elite coaches think they're good, there's a good chance they are good, which would mean the higher rated players are better than the lower rated players getting less attention more often than not correct? Which means the stars do matter. We should start referring to ourselves as Vandy east bc that's what we sound like saying stars are pointless etc just accept the class for what it is and that's mediocre. Sound just like Vandy fans defending their class.
 
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TNHopeful505 said:
Sure, I was, but I'm excited about this one too. Every single class has produced players that surprised me. I think we have players on here that are going to be great contributors. I think ratings and these "services" ruin the college game in some ways.

I'm not NOT going to be excited just because we have more "3 Star" players than normal. I don't care what they are rated. I care how they're going to play in our system and how they're going to develop. If our staff wants them, they can ride or die with them. But i'm not going to not be excited about a kid coming to play for us simply because some dude at a desk said he's a 3* and not a 4* or 5*
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Keep driving this message home
 
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BearCat204 said:
I get that you cant go by stars alone, but the research is there that stars do actually matter.
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They definitely matter. The downside is that they delude people into thinking they know as much as a coach when it comes to spotting talent.
 
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Berry4Heisman14 said:
So let me get this straight. Players are rated higher when elite coaches go after them? So if elite coaches go after them, that must mean the elite coaches think they are good. So if the elite coaches think they're good, there's a good chance they are good, which would mean the higher rated players are better than the lower rated players getting less attention more often than not correct? Which means the stars do matter. We should start referring to ourselves as Vandy east bc that's what we sound like saying stars are pointless etc just accept the class for what it is and that's mediocre. Sound just like Vandy fans defending their class.
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I want a top 5 class, just like EVERYONE else.
But I also know that a top 20 class isn't the "bottom of the talent barrel" like I literally read on this site.

So while I would like to just say "not bad but we have to do better", instead I end up "defending" a top 15% class from hyperbolic dillweed that uses trigger words like Vandy when discussing our class. Absolutely absurd.
 
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chargervol said:
I want a top 5 class, just like EVERYONE else.
But I also know that a top 20 class is the "bottom of the talent barrel" like I literally read on this site.

So while I would like to just say "not bad but we have to do better", instead I end up "defending" a top 15% class from hyperbolic dillweed that uses trigger words like Vandy when discussing our class. Absolutely absurd.
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I think it's safe to say there's a difference between the #3 class and the #15, but it's kind of funny how it's become like a statement of fact differentiating between 10 and 12 or 11 and 16.
 
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BearCat204 said:
Could that be because there are exponentially more 2 and 3 star recruits in every single class?
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But that's the point isn't it? If a 2 star player is talented enough to play in the nfl then he was never a 2 star to begin with. He either didn't go to the right camp or any camp. They screwed up the evaluation or their system is flawed. A 4 star player gets hurt his junior year & becomes a 3 star. Why? Its all subjective & not very accurate. These "experts" predetermine the number of 4 & 5 star grades they are going to give out before they evaluate a player. Its all a bs money grab. Thousands of kids play every year & there are 25 5 stars? They dole them out like addictive candy & we line up to gobble them up.
 
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chargervol said:
I want a top 5 class, just like EVERYONE else.
But I also know that a top 20 class isn't the "bottom of the talent barrel" like I literally read on this site.
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It does seem like the bottom of talent barrel when you have staff that has already shown it could not develop players and win even after it had couple of top 5 classes.
 
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TGVol said:
It does seem like the bottom of talent barrel when you have staff that has already shown it could not develop players and win even after it had couple of top 5 classes.
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I don't care how you feel about the coach, but the BS trashing of these kids is beyond pathetic, from everyone who does it.
 
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GAVol said:
I think it's safe to say there's a difference between the #3 class and the #15, but it's kind of funny how it's become like a statement of fact differentiating between 10 and 12 or 11 and 16.
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I don't know anything about spotting talent. I just know teams that seem to win aren't loading up low 3 stars.
 
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GAVol said:
I think it's safe to say there's a difference between the #3 class and the #15, but it's kind of funny how it's become like a statement of fact differentiating between 10 and 12 or 11 and 16.
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Not sure how closely you follow recruiting but the point difference between 10th and 18th this year, was literally only like 20 points A complete Log Jam.
One more star player for a team, not even five star but 4 star, and you could jump five- six spots. It was crazy.
 
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Volsfaninva917 said:
I did read the articles, however those articles also mention development being a huge part of success. How well has Butch developed players?
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And with that, you completely destroyed your argument about the importance of recruit ranking. You just want to rag on Butch, admit it. And you don't really care why.
 
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chavisut said:
I don't know anything about spotting talent. I just know teams that seem to win aren't loading up low 3 stars.
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Which teams specifically are you considering? How was Washington's recruiting class 4 years ago? How was Clemson? What is your definition of "low 3 star" and what schools did they go to?
 
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talent matters. playing with heart matters. playing as a team matters. playing disciplined football (i.e. know your role) matters. morale matters. morals matter. coaching matters. having fun matters.

what doesnt matter at all is this incessant complaining about everything under the sun from an unrealistic, ungrateful fan base. it's a disease and it does no good.
 
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fade route said:
I'm sure the OP would still post this thread if our class ranked in the top 3......right? The starts don't matter threads always come around as soon as the ink is dry on a bad class. Never fails
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I was wondering how long before you showed up, as I thought it didn't take long!!
 
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I understand the concern about the rankings. However, most of these kids have good offer lists. If you watch their film it appears most of the kids have a great chance to develop into good players. I think Tennessee did well on both the defensive and offensive lines and appear to have added some guys with some speed at the receiver position. Also got the best back in Tennessee who I believe will be a fine player. If there was an area where it appears Tennessee may not have done well is in the defensive backfield.

I think Butch and his staff are working as hard as they can to produce a winner. I think Tennessee is going to be just fine. Tennessee was in terrible shape when Butch took the job. It takes time to build a winner. There will be bumps in the road, but I believe Tennessee will get there.

Not being a sunshine pumper. Just trying to be realistic.
 
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I truly, for the life of me, cannot figure out how college coaches were successful in recruiting before there was Rivals, 247, Scout, and ESPN.
 
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jbr82 said:
I don't see Hurd coming here to play in this style offense. Something had to be promised. CBJ should have layed down the law from the get go if he knew he was keeping this offense imo
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Because in the end this was a major factor in recruiting RB's and Wide outs this style offense will hurt our recruiting it cost us a 5 star WR and QB but if coach doesn't change it this will be the end we are not going to get the elite with this offense and then your top defense recruits wont come either if 8 or 9 win program is what your happy with then i guess keep running it coach the other day said we were back by winning 9 games 2 years in a row if the top is good with 8 or 9 wins a season then i guess that is who we were in the 90's and early 2000's we were a top 10 and most years top 5 program but when the top brass is cool with a top 20 to 25 program what can the fans do about as long as 95 to 100.000 show up i guess we can save 2 million a year on a good coaching staff and the football program will still make millions winning 8 or 9 games a year so i guess start playing bowl trips to Nashville Memphis the Belk bowl i never thought i would live long enough to see the top DOG'S be happy with a 8 or 9 win football program, but i still will back my VOLS but make less trips to KNOXVILLE and catch the game on TV. go vols buck bama and saint nick:eek:hmy:By the way i am a COOL LAID BACK 70'S GUY:cool2:
 
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utvolmaniac said:
I truly, for the life of me, cannot figure out how college coaches were successful in recruiting before there was Rivals, 247, Scout, and ESPN.
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I understand your dilemma. Fortunately our HC is the old school type of a coach who is immune to using the internet to promote himself with recruits.

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terrypedigo said:
Because in the end this was a major factor in recruiting RB's and Wide outs this style offense will hurt our recruiting it cost us a 5 star WR and QB but if coach doesn't change it this will be the end we are not going to get the elite with this offense and then your top defense recruits wont come either if 8 or 9 win program is what your happy with then i guess keep running it coach the other day said we were back by winning 9 games 2 years in a row if the top is good with 8 or 9 wins a season then i guess that is who we were in the 90's and early 2000's we were a top 10 and most years top 5 program but when the top brass is cool with a top 20 to 25 program what can the fans do about as long as 95 to 100.000 show up i guess we can save 2 million a year on a good coaching staff and the football program will still make millions winning 8 or 9 games a year so i guess start playing bowl trips to Nashville Memphis the Belk bowl i never thought i would live long enough to see the top DOG'S be happy with a 8 or 9 win football program, but i still will back my VOLS but make less trips to KNOXVILLE and catch the game on TV. go vols buck bama and saint nick:eek:hmy:By the way i am a COOL LAID BACK 70'S GUY:cool2:
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Terry buddy....if you were a woman, you'd never have a period.
 
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Stars don't matter? Hmm... OP, what if you had these three choices, 25 3*, 25 4*, or 25 5*? Which class would you take? I don't know about anyone else, but I'm taking the 5* class. I understand that no player is a guarantee and that player development is crucial...but, really???

This is silly. Accept that we have a decent but not exceptional class.
 
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