People with higher socioeconomic status have lower emotional intelligence, especially at high levels of inequality

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hog88 said:
It's ultimately up to the individual but yes families have a huge influence on where a person ends up and there are far too many families that intentionally stunt the kids growth.
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Wasn’t that my entry into this discussion?
 
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AshG said:
Those are exactly the situations we're talking about. It's a multigenerational family philosophy. Especially in the Appalachians. One kid moving off can disrupt the family livelihood, so everyone is all in on keeping them there.
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Back in the early 1900’s I can see that. But even in our most backwards ass rural areas this isn’t the case anymore. Youth mortality rates have gone way down over the last 100 years.

I think you and hog are really focused on a minor subset in the current state of things. Again remember my entry here. Patents are the biggest driver. That can be both positive and negative. But it isn’t a forgone conclusion once extended family comes into play.
 
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n_huffhines said:
Regardless of what any study says, I think it's just natural for people to over-apply their experience and misunderstand what they don't experience. The poor don't understand the wealthy and vice versa. The guy in here saying his Dad couldn't work thinks if he can do it, anybody can do it, but he didn't grow up in a single-parent home. He didn't grow up in a house where his parents were lazy. Were they financially illiterate? Was your home a safe haven? I'm guessing he didn't grow up in a neighborhood being destroyed by the war on drugs. There are so many ways a life can end up with bad socioeconomic results, but we tend to think because we made it, anybody should make it. Don't take away this point of pride from me because I want to feel like I earned 100% of what I got, and for this to be true, it has to be true of the poor too.
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This all day long. Don't give people free passes. But also be careful about projecting your experience onto everybody else.
 
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Everybody can make it.

Not everybody should make it.

And even more won't make it.

The whole point of this realm of policymaking should be to reduce that final number as much as possible. We won't get there with mindless government spending and economic interference and we won't get there by telling people to pull themselves up by their bootstraps. If the two ends of the spectrum can accept both truths and act accordingly, we'd be well on our way to improving things.
 
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AshG said:
Maybe I misunderstood, but I thought you were dismissing the family influence component.
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My first long diatribe specifically said parental influence is the biggest driver. However remember that a contrarian indicator is still an indicator to a bight kid. I have just such an example coming to visit me tomorrow. My nephews son. Great kid. Dad… not so much.
 
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AshG said:
It's something that's highly sought after in the corporate business world.

13 Signs of High Emotional Intelligence
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No. No it is not.

It a true fortune 100 corporate setting the ones who rise through the ranks handle criticism very poorly and have God complexes. They will never let anything go and will never truly forgive. They will appear to forgive on face value but will put people in boxes of either trust or not trust and those they trust will ride their coat tails as they advance and vice versa.

When this person is fired they will be given a golden parachute and every single one who rose with them will also be terminated so the new person brings their line up.

They handle failure very poorly and must succeed in all aspects as failure is unthinkable to them. They will view people as data and dollars and put a value on each person. Depending on the value they will treat each person differently.
 
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NEO said:
If he is right then your father would have listened.

Your father did not listen so he is wrong.

Try and succeed are two different things.
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I was lucky, far too many kids are not.
 
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Every single rich person descended from some poor person.

It simply took one person to finally say enough and step out of it. The cream always rises no matter what.

This type of garbage is excuse making.
 
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NEO said:
Every single rich person descended from some poor person.

It simply took one person to finally say enough and step out of it. The cream always rises no matter what.

This type of garbage is excuse making.
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Your right, the cream does rise to the top no matter where it starts out but we all have to recognize not everyone is cream and some striving to rise can't break the chains of piss poor families.
 
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NEO said:
Every single rich person descended from some poor person.

It simply took one person to finally say enough and step out of it. The cream always rises no matter what.

This type of garbage is excuse making.
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If that were the case, there would be many more money-wealthy people.

Applying your thesis to yourself: are you not rich because you don't work hard enough, you missed your golden opportunity, or because you just aren't worth rising to the top?
 
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hog88 said:
Your right, the cream does rise to the top no matter where it starts out but we all have to recognize not everyone is cream and some striving to rise can't break the chains of piss poor families.
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They would simply end up in the same basic situation. How many rich friends you know who kids are headed no where fast and will probably be in a much lower social class than their parents? I know plenty.
 
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NEO said:
They would simply end up in the same basic situation. How many rich friends you know who kids are headed no where fast and will probably be in a much lower social class than their parents? I know plenty.
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A few, as I said earlier it's ultimately up to the individual but we can't discount family influence or lack thereof.
 
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lawgator1 said:
Depends on your definition of poor and, conversely, your definition of rich.

For truly poor, like homeless level, it's often drugs or mental illness. For just bottom.of the rung but making it, it's often one parent situations and yes sometimes laziness.

For the truly rich, more often than not it's inherited wealth. For the inherently wealthy it's the benefit of parents who push and reward hard work in school.


The middle class is where the greater number of variables are, imo. But it's unlikely someone in the middle class will ever be super rich, but certainly possible with bad breaks they end up super poor.

Point is, the distance between middle class and super rich is incredibly far and decades apart, whereas the distance between middle class and dirt poor is a matter of months of bad breaks and poor decisions.
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It's easier to fall down, rather than to fall up.
 
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AshG said:
If that were the case, there would be many more money-wealthy people.

Applying your thesis to yourself: are you not rich because you don't work hard enough, you missed your golden opportunity, or because you just aren't worth rising to the top?
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Ash I am not getting into my income on here.

I will simply say I am doing ok.

And my years of hard work and long hours paid off.
 
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NEO said:
Ash I am not getting into my income on here.

I will simply say I am doing ok.

And my years of hard work and long hours paid off.
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Yep. Same boat with me. I am better off than I ever expected to be and make more money than I thought I ever would. Of course that could be because I suck at understanding time value of money. But when I compare myself to my peer group I don’t think that’s the case. And I was far from having a silver spoon in my mouth and nothing was given to me. I graduated UT with a 3.73 BSEE. That was pretty damn good in 1988 no idea now but most of the resumes I see have high GPAs. We could just be taking the really bright kids but as desperate as we are for engineers I doubt that.
 
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