Per sources, some guys played last night knowing they were leaving

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The Original Fade said:
Yeah, but no one stopped to think maybe it was a bad idea to combine million dollar paydays with unlimited transfer rules for 18 year olds but here we are
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It's the second part that is the problem. I have no issue with players making money, but even in the NFL there are rules. Hell in every pro sport you have contracts that you can't just get out of of.
 
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wmcovol said:
Knowing they were leaving after the season ends. Some even have deals with other schools already set.

Todays CFB really is screwed up
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I’ll see how many how many guys hit the portal before I overreact to a report like that. That’s probably a thing for other teams to though. Heck, the Puppies had a guy who had started several games in the secondary enter the portal before the SEC title game.

IF that’s the case for any decent players, at least they stayed with the Vols for the CFP game.
 
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GVF said:
Been arguing against it whole time on here. Don't agree with it at all. Especially how it has unfolded. I prob could have been on board with a well designed system. I'm old. I still view a full ride degree for your services is payment enough. That plus a suitable monthly spending account would have sat well with me. But, no college player (QB) has earned anything that affords a Lambo. Not a good message to send. That's worth $80K plus at most schools, plus all the satellite expenses they don't incur. A full football ride prob worth $150K plus. NIL is the only thing in the world that took down Saban to where he was willing to walk away. And he's becoming more vocal about about it as the College Game Days go by. Not hard to read between the lines on how he feels about the portal and NIL and that he walked away because of that. It wasn't to retire and be at home.
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I don't have a problem with players getting paid, because others have made billions off their backs and imo a "free ride" isn't enough especially when they couldn't go pro. TV, coaches, universities all get to rake in the money, so the players should get some too. Saban can eat a bag of deez because he's one of the ones who got his and now is trying to take some moral high ground. Get bent. Trying to keep the players in an outdated box while the rest of the college football world is big business is straight up bulls***. This ain't the 1950s landscape anymore. There aren't only about 4 games on a week on local channels.

Where I will agree is the "well designed system" part. There needs to be "contracts" for lack of a better term. You can't have it both ways, them getting money AND having free reign to transfer whenever. There needs to be terms and lock in and if you dont' like it, sure you can leave but you aren't playing anywhere else for say 2 years. I'm even for something like salary caps if they want to go there. The toothpaste is out of the tube so you gotta do something.
 
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GVF said:
The only answer there ever was to all this mess and killing the student athlete was to ammend scholarships to provide a monthly spending account. A decent one to boot. But, equal for all. College rosters is not the place to have an $8 mil QB and a $25K lineman. 18-20 year olds are not prepared for that dynamic. The NCAA had opportunties for decades to make this happen the right way. My kid got me tickets a couple years for my B-day. First to SC at home. Then GA. Maybe CJH's 1st year on the GA game. Too expensive now. And the cost per opponent is broad. We had front row behind the recruit mat for SC. For UGA, were last row against the wall on opponent side. One row high and we'd have been upper level. And those were 3 times the SC tickets.

But, for his thoughtfullness I got him addicted to Gus' deli.
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A former letterman got me hooked on Gus's and I stopped in a month ago when I was in town. I like looking at the ex-players photos on the wall. They reminded me they lost a lot of photos during the fire in the early 90's I believe. A little pricey but worth it.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
It's the second part that is the problem. I have no issue with players making money, but even in the NFL there are rules. Hell in every pro sport you have contracts that you can't just get out of of.
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Agree. But the money with no structure/contract is what lures players to the portal. Both are broken - portal and NIL and both influence the other
 
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utchs81 said:
I was talking about the Alpha mentality that wasn’t present. They needed their inner Al Wilson.
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ohh, yeah completely understand now. I mentioned that in the game thread. Need an Al Wilson in that locker room. Al can’t be replicated but most definitely hope to see a true leader emerge who wants it so bad they will hold the entire team accountable and show no mercy on the field.
 
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BreatheUT said:
A former letterman got me hooked on Gus's and I stopped in a month ago when I was in town. I like looking at the ex-players photos on the wall. They reminded me they lost a lot of photos during the fire in the early 90's I believe. A little pricey but worth it.
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Saw Willie Gault's photo was still at the register wall to the left. 4 years ahead of me in HS.
 
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BreatheUT said:
A former letterman got me hooked on Gus's and I stopped in a month ago when I was in town. I like looking at the ex-players photos on the wall. They reminded me they lost a lot of photos during the fire in the early 90's I believe. A little pricey but worth it.
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Roman Room had a lot of ex-players’ photos on the wall too! Oh to be 21 again!
 
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The Original Fade said:
Yeah, but no one stopped to think maybe it was a bad idea to combine million dollar paydays with unlimited transfer rules for 18 year olds but here we are
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If the NIL of a school starts requiring contracts that include time duration of commitments, I think it would catch on with others fairly rapidly.
 
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From the Vanderbilt game until the playoff game with osu something had to happen between the team, in the locker room, etc.

Heupel having 3 weeks to prepare is a football genius. I don't think he had a good game plan though. That aside, the offense and defense didn't look good. Our OL looked like cardboard cutouts. Nico didn't have time in the pocket.

After watching everyone transfer, I think there was something else going on. Just my opinion.
 
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Orange_Vol1321 said:
From the Vanderbilt game until the playoff game with osu something had to happen between the team, in the locker room, etc.

Heupel having 3 weeks to prepare is a football genius. I don't think he had a good game plan though. That aside, the offense and defense didn't look good. Our OL looked like cardboard cutouts. Nico didn't have time in the pocket.

After watching everyone transfer, I think there was something else going on. Just my opinion.
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I said that right after the game. Hard to put a finger on it but nobody can make me believe that there wasn’t something going on for the team showing so little emotion and motivation in such a big game. They looked listless and disinterested from the jump as opposed to OSU who looked like their hair was on fire the whole game.
 
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BreatheUT said:
Nice to reminisce about when we had blazing speed on the team. It used to be a signature.
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Back then it was not uncommon for UT to recruit top sprinters to the track team and pay for them by having them run WR routes on the football team. Considering we don't seem to even get honorable mention in men's track anymore, that is a by-gone practice. We apparently no longer have speed in that sport either.
 
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lawgator1 said:
As I've said elsewhere here in the last 5 months or so, NIL and portal have exposed the lie we all wanted to believe for so long, which was that the players had some sense of loyalty to the school they signed with. Some pride in where they decided to go.

But for the top level players, that was a facade and what they really cared about was the NFL. Now, all five stars, all four stars, and some percentage of the three stars consider themselves free agents every December, and they will follow the money. The teams that pony it up, are the ones who will emerge every year for the playoffs.

Just a matter of time before the players are wearing sponsorship patches and the game will look like a bunch of NASCAR drivers playing flag football.
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This.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I’m with you. The calendar being what it is, puts everyone is a very tough position. I have a hard time believing that anyone that played in a CFP game would not play with their best effort to show out against high level competition in the biggest game of the season. Playing in a CFP game is another opportunity for good tape.
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I do not share this delusion.
 
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barney said:
kinda seems like there has been some discontent on the team this year.
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It's hard to say its a team thing when there are so many factors. You have greed between players, offers under the table from other schools, family members and student athletes looking at millions of dollars being thrown around, jealousy, non-starters looking for payola. So many I don't see how the coaches contain it all.
 
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VolsSportsFan said:
It's the second part that is the problem. I have no issue with players making money, but even in the NFL there are rules. Hell in every pro sport you have contracts that you can't just get out of of.
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NIL deals can include contracts with sizable cancellation fees. Lawyers/agencies are just not smart enough to do that right now.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
Why is it delusional to think that someone wouldn’t try and play their best game against the highest level of competition in the biggest game of the season?
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For one, you didn't say "someone" you said everyone. 2) You're delusional and it is apparently incurable.
 
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volbound1700 said:
NIL deals can include contracts with sizable cancellation fees. Lawyers/agencies are just not smart enough to do that right now.
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Cancellation fee for what? From what I've read NIL deals still do not mention a specific school or obligation.

Although there are a couple of states, Ohio being one I think, that's trying to get a state law passed that over rules the NCAA rule against a university being able to directly pay an athlete for their NIL.
 
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The Original Fade said:
Yeah, but no one stopped to think maybe it was a bad idea to combine million dollar paydays with unlimited transfer rules for 18 year olds but here we are
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The only problem with that is the schools and the NCAA keep losing in court because they can’t decide if football players are employees or amateur student athletes. Can’t have it both ways. If the schools and the NCAA can’t legally justify why the players’ labor should be unpaid, while raking in billions of dollars themselves, then they can’t complain when the labor starts grumbling and filing lawsuits.
 
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volbound1700 said:
NIL deals can include contracts with sizable cancellation fees. Lawyers/agencies are just not smart enough to do that right now.
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Yeah, maybe I read it in here, but there was a player that renegotiated his NIL to stay, collected the money and left anyway. So, he has his re-booted NIL money from said school, and his new money from new school. Dirty business. And stupid on the part of the payors not to protect their deals.
 
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