Per sources, some guys played last night knowing they were leaving

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OSU was the better team Saturday and looked light years ahead of our roster and may have won no matter what the circumstances were but I do think a lot of our players were walking through the motions and weren’t invested. Several guys played their butts off and didn’t stop until the final whistle.
 
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That certainly could explain why the Vols left their Alpha back in Knoxville. I hope that the culture and buy-in Josh speaks of isn't just coach-speak.
 
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SayUWantAreVOLution said:
It's a tough spot. Fans are not happy with guys like Nimrod for leaving before the playoffs, then they're not happy with guys who finish out the year knowing they'll hit the portal also.

In the business world people often have a job lined up with a new employer while still working out a notice or training/transitioning an employee to replace them. It's not unheard of at all.
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Exactly, this is standard practice. Some people work out their 2 weeks, and some just leave.
 
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The Original Fade said:
But everybody said pay the players. Isn’t it awesome?
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And the guy getting paid the most on our team, left it all on the field. Sacrificing his body in attempting to compete when his team was outclassed by the other team who, oddly enough had double the payroll.

Paying players aint the problem.

An unlimited portal creates more problems than anything else.
 
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hound dog hillbil said:
Nil didn't ruin game portal did,make them sit a year any where they go,that stop some of it.
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That isn't going to happen, that was the rules before and the DOJ sent the NCAA a warning letter, see Sherman Act. I think what is in place is generally about as restrictive as you're going to get.
 
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It will only get worse! NFL Jr. will not enhance the game we have all loved for so long. School loyalty is gone forever. Now it’s all about how much will I make.
 
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Unfortunately it boils down to $$. If TN wants to be better and keep players it will have to spend more than what is currently being spent. For nie anyway. Saw a graphic the other day that indicated we aren't near the top.
 
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utchs81 said:
That certainly could explain why the Vols left their Alpha back in Knoxville. I hope that the culture and buy-in Josh speaks of isn't just coach-speak.
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I miss some of the stuff discussed on this forum. Who is the Alpha referred to?
 
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The Original Fade said:
Yeah, but no one stopped to think maybe it was a bad idea to combine million dollar paydays with unlimited transfer rules for 18 year olds but here we are
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I agree. This isn’t what college football was meant to be, but it also wasn’t meant to be a multibillion dollar industry. As long as schools are making 100’s of millions of dollars and coaches are making 10’s of millions of dollars it only makes sense that the athletes who are putting their bodies on the line should be allowed to be compensated. This is definitely a conundrum, but I don’t think anybody really knows what the best solution is. As far as the transfer portal it would be nice if they could limit an athlete to one transfer before having to sit out a year, but I think somebody else in here posted that that would violate anti-trust law.
 
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BigOrangeTrain said:
You sure we have the resources to do whatever we need to? I honestly don’t think we do. Do we have the big money people that will open up the checkbook and say go get what you need? If we do, why haven’t they? If we don’t, how do we get them?

I am not convinced we have top 10 money to spend.
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Maybe we don't but all I heard is that we can compete with anyone with nil. I can guarantee they have 20 million. The question is are they serious enough about winning.
 
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I am not sure how much of the OP info is correct. Harrison is going to the portal but I am not sure who else.

And this may not be a popular opinion, but if a guy is leaving and wants to go out with his teammates one last time, and he is there to play for those teammates, that doesn't bother me. Most players know whether they are ready to go or whether they want to be with their teamamtes on the national stage one last time, and those guys know whether thay are invested for the game or not. Some are ready to bail and some want one more battle.
 
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The Original Fade said:
But everybody said pay the players. Isn’t it awesome?
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Been arguing against it whole time on here. Don't agree with it at all. Especially how it has unfolded. I prob could have been on board with a well designed system. I'm old. I still view a full ride degree for your services is payment enough. That plus a suitable monthly spending account would have sat well with me. But, no college player (QB) has earned anything that affords a Lambo. Not a good message to send. That's worth $80K plus at most schools, plus all the satellite expenses they don't incur. A full football ride prob worth $150K plus. NIL is the only thing in the world that took down Saban to where he was willing to walk away. And he's becoming more vocal about about it as the College Game Days go by. Not hard to read between the lines on how he feels about the portal and NIL and that he walked away because of that. It wasn't to retire and be at home.
 
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Volinnooga said:
I am not sure how much of the OP info is correct. Harrison is going to the portal but I am not sure who else.

And this may not be a popular opinion, but if a guy is leaving and wants to go out with his teammates one last time, and he is there to play for those teammates, that doesn't bother me. Most players know whether they are ready to go or whether they want to be with their teamamtes on the national stage one last time, and those guys know whether thay are invested for the game or not. Some are ready to bail and some want one more battle.
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I’m with you. The calendar being what it is, puts everyone is a very tough position. I have a hard time believing that anyone that played in a CFP game would not play with their best effort to show out against high level competition in the biggest game of the season. Playing in a CFP game is another opportunity for good tape.
 
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RDU VOL#14 said:
I’m with you. The calendar being what it is, puts everyone is a very tough position. I have a hard time believing that anyone that played in a CFP game would not play with their best effort to show out against high level competition in the biggest game of the season. Playing in a CFP game is another opportunity for good tape.
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Of course it is. Maybe some guys got demoralized after the slow start, but I don’t believe for a second that anybody that stuck around would do anything but give 100%.
 
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GAVol said:
Of course it is. Maybe some guys got demoralized after the slow start, but I don’t believe for a second that anybody that stuck around would do anything but give 100%.
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I meant guys that were going to the portal . I didn’t mean the team as a whole .
 
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GVF said:
Been arguing against it whole time on here. Don't agree with it at all. Especially how it has unfolded. I prob could have been on board with a well designed system. I'm old. I still view a full ride degree for your services is payment enough. That plus a suitable monthly spending account would have sat well with me. But, no college player (QB) has earned anything that affords a Lambo. Not a good message to send. That's worth $80K plus at most schools, plus all the satellite expenses they don't incur. A full football ride prob worth $150K plus. NIL is the only thing in the world that took down Saban to where he was willing to walk away. And he's becoming more vocal about about it as the College Game Days go by. Not hard to read between the lines on how he feels about the portal and NIL and that he walked away because of that. It wasn't to retire and be at home.
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The world has changed in many ways since covid. We can argue for good or for bad. One of the things that came out of it was that additional year. That seemed to be the first domino.

I attend UT sporting events less and less because it is becoming so dang expensive yet if you want to compete with the Joneses then you gotta help pay.

I think real changes will be made if fans stop watching but it would have to be college football fans collectively. One or two fan bases aren't going to risk their school falling behind to other schools.

I'm not against guys making money but I said years ago these would lead to disastrous consequences if/when you started basically bidding on players. Add to the the mess the portal has created in recent years, then it really isn't about amateur athletics or "student" athlete at all anymore.
 
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GVF said:
Been arguing against it whole time on here. Don't agree with it at all. Especially how it has unfolded. I prob could have been on board with a well designed system. I'm old. I still view a full ride degree for your services is payment enough. That plus a suitable monthly spending account would have sat well with me. But, no college player (QB) has earned anything that affords a Lambo. Not a good message to send. That's worth $80K plus at most schools, plus all the satellite expenses they don't incur. A full football ride prob worth $150K plus. NIL is the only thing in the world that took down Saban to where he was willing to walk away. And he's becoming more vocal about about it as the College Game Days go by. Not hard to read between the lines on how he feels about the portal and NIL and that he walked away because of that. It wasn't to retire and be at home.
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Like any other endeavor, what people will pay is what it's worth. It's not like these players CREATED this market that pays them big money to play, it's been going on for decades and decades.

That the market exploded when it became legal is what markets sometimes do. It'll probably "bust" at some point but it's hard to fault players for taking what's offered.

Is it good for the sport? Not at all. Is it wrong for them to get paid? Not at all. It's how America has always worked. People pay some people a lot of money for some services. I can't help but say good for them and God Bless America.
 
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