Persecution of Christianity is becoming overt instead of covert.

[ClearwaterVol]

So imposing a belief system on others is wrong? Very conservative of you to say that under the current environment of social issues.

I haven’t asked you to live by my beliefs. I’ve simply asked you to refrain from forcing me to live by yours

 

[ClearwaterVol]

I was thinking a similar thing. They can censor us, but we still win. They know it, and they cannot stand that.

We don’t care what you believe.

 

[hog88]

We don’t care what you believe.

Ehh, I wouldn't go that far. I understand that (or at least think) your "we" is in reference to established and recognized religions but several political/social movements are practically religions now and oh boy those practitioners absolutely care what others believe.

 

[SpaceCoastVol]

We don’t care what you believe.

Oh yes you do. You're obsessed with it.

 

[McDad]

I was thinking a similar thing. They can censor us, but we still win. They know it, and they cannot stand that.

Many believers have a corrupted view of our lives. It's a vapor. We get all bent out of shape on the things of this world when our treasures should be elsewhere. The things of this world don't really matter.

What matters (I think):
Love God with all I have.
Love others as I love myself.
Share the King of Kings with others.
Serve others.
Help those who cannot help themselves.

 

[McDad]

We don’t care what you believe.

Who is the "we" for whom you have been appointed spokesman?

 

[BernardKingGOAT]

I was thinking a similar thing. They can censor us, but we still win. They know it, and they cannot stand that.

When have you been censored?

 

[McDad]

When have you been censored?

I wonder the reaction if a pilot was to say a prayer over the PA system after they introduce themselves the passengers.

 

[GVF]

My best friend goes to church every Sunday. I joke to him about how Sundays are best spent hungover in the woods, but we'll never agree on that one.

Historically, I'm an every Sunday person. Growing up it was morning, evening and mid-week. Not so much lately. Nothing wrong at all with the congregation we were attending. Just wasn't for us after mom and dad passed. We've been slow to find somewhere else. Not changing "brands". Just a different congregation. Never been one to try and slap people with a bible, but willing to chit chat if desired, accepting ahead of time we may have different views.

Personally, I feel alot of the sentiments on here are tied to "religion" and the establishments. I feel the same. Trying to live and be an example more in tune with basic biblical teachings is much more palatable. And understanding God said to spread the good news, not cram it down others throats and judge them. I also don't feel it's wrong if you and I had a beer together and shared some laughs. I've never been one to over indulge anyways personally. But, I'm a bit older than you, so it'd probably be like feeding gramps.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Oh yes you do. You're obsessed with it.

Nope, I only get interested when your side attempts to pass laws governing me based upon your beliefs.

 

[hog88]

Nope, I only get interested when your side attempts to pass laws governing me based upon your beliefs.

Do you believe in man caused/made global warming?

 

[ClearwaterVol]

Do you believe in man caused/made global warming?

I believe that humanity has had an impact on the environment and climate. Whether it is primarily responsible or to some lesser degree, I do not know.

 

[EasternVol]

Christians have been obsessed with pushing their nonsense on people all over the world for centuries--and it is nonsense. The only
people "persecuted" are those who face this endless "god" BS. Look at a couple of conservative states are now trying to do--get taxpayers
to fund religious schools. It's outrageous.

So now you're pushing your nonsense. It's funny how that happens.
Those in power tend to push their beliefs on the masses. It happens in places dominated by a religion and, get this, it happens in places controlled by atheists. How many thousand churches, mosques, and temples did the Soviets destroy? Look at PRC and their 'worship Xi and the CCP above all or we'll put you and all your family in the gulag' program.
You live in a country with among the very best guarantees of freedom of religion and freedom from religion, which we need to vigilantly uphold. Your complaint about Cristian tyranny in this context is misplaced.

 

[Majors]

I haven’t asked you to live by my beliefs. I’ve simply asked you to refrain from forcing me to live by yours

nice bumper sticker. Please regale us with the story of how we have forced beliefs upon you to live by in the name of religion.

 

[McDad]

Do you believe in man caused/made global warming?

Unfortunately for CWV and the rest of us, there are A LOT of laws passed which govern us based on belief systems. And even more decisions to spend obscene amounts of money without passing new laws which also affect us.

 

[hog88]

Unfortunately for CWV and the rest of us, there is A LOT of laws passed which govern us based on belief systems. And even more decisions to spend obscene amounts of money without passing new laws which also affect us.

That was the point I was trying to make with him.

 

[ClearwaterVol]

nice bumper sticker. Please regale us with the story of how we have forced beliefs upon you to live by in the name of religion.

Blue laws

People of faith used religion to justify

discrimination against gays
- prohibiting same sex marriage
- denying the right to adopt for same sex couples
- denying tax and estate benefits to same sex couples

segregation
slavery
anti-miscegenation laws
laws that deprived women of rights
- vote (1920)
- permitted to keep wages (1900)
- permitted to own property (1900)
- obtain financing to purchase property (1970s)
- obtain a credit card (1970s) before that they needed a husband to cosign.
- Comstock Laws

The religious right in this country have a long and distinguished history of weaponizing religious beliefs against marginalized minorities.

 

[McDad]

Blue laws

People of faith used religion to justify

discrimination against gays
- prohibiting same sex marriage
- denying the right to adopt for same sex couples
- denying tax and estate benefits to same sex couples

segregation
slavery
anti-miscegenation laws
laws that deprived women of rights
- vote (1920)
- permitted to keep wages (1900)
- permitted to own property (1900)
- obtain financing to purchase property (1970s)
- obtain a credit card (1970s) before that they needed a husband to cosign.
- Comstock Laws

The religious right in this country have a long and distinguished history of weaponizing religious beliefs against marginalized minorities.

Weren't abolitionists against slavery for religious reasons? If so, that one is a "push" at least.

 

[hog88]

Weren't abolitionists against slavery for religious reasons? If so, that one is a "push" at least.

Christians were at the forefront of the civil rights movement also.

Edit: But now I see he's gone to "religious right".

 

[Majors]

Blue laws

People of faith used religion to justify

discrimination against gays
- prohibiting same sex marriage
- denying the right to adopt for same sex couples
- denying tax and estate benefits to same sex couples

segregation
slavery
anti-miscegenation laws
laws that deprived women of rights
- vote (1920)
- permitted to keep wages (1900)
- permitted to own property (1900)
- obtain financing to purchase property (1970s)
- obtain a credit card (1970s) before that they needed a husband to cosign.
- Comstock Laws

The religious right in this country have a long and distinguished history of weaponizing religious beliefs against marginalized minorities.

Good news for you in our nations roughly 250 years we don’t have slavery and haven’t in my lifetime of 45 years. And we have open borders to move within the US to be gay and adopt. So, what’s the problem?

And for the record, the religious left has also played ball by those same rules until recently when they needed votes.

 

[McDad]

Christians were at the forefront of the civil rights movement also.

Edit: But now I see he's gone to "religious right".

The Federal government required the people of Utah to change their marriage beliefs before admitting them into the Union.

 

[McDad]

...and anytime a topic about "helping" the poor through government, Jesus (and being a good Christian) is thrown in our face if we are against the policy.

 

[hog88]

Susan B Anthony was a devote Quaker.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Susan B Anthony was a devote Quaker.

Damn! She was fine back in the day.

 

[McDad]

Damn! She was fine back in the day.

QILF??