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[USAFgolferVol]

I also work with a colleague that had two sons go thru Sewanee. I got first hand stories. They may be very good academically. But, that is not what my post was about. Pure ignorance in your reply.

I have a niece and nephew who graduated from there. Since we live 25 miles from there, they would often come for visits, meals, etc. That's about as first hand as it gets. Yes, there are great parties there.

 

[GVF]

I have a niece and nephew who graduated from there. Since we live 25 miles from there, they would often come for visits, meals, etc. That's about as first hand as it gets. Yes, there are great parties there.

The extreme drinking there was a side bar. The post was referring to the ability in circles around Nashville where all you have to do is say I went to Sewanee, and you have a nice job, even if you were one of those that didn't remember a whole lot about your 4 years there. Much like the Ivy League. But hey, your first hand trumps mine. I yield.

 

[USAFgolferVol]

The extreme drinking there was a side bar. The post was referring to the ability in circles around Nashville where all you have to do is say I went to Sewanee, and you have a nice job, even if you were one of those that didn't remember a whole lot about your 4 years there. Much like the Ivy League. But hey, your first hand trumps mine. I yield.

No, you're exactly right about the name recognition in relation to landing jobs

 

[GVF]

No, you're exactly right about the name recognition in relation to landing jobs

My co-worker has been around Nashville for along time. It seems to be a thing if your looking into construction or business/finance. There's apparently a pretty decent sized circle of alum in the Nashville area. One of his went there and transferred out, but he went there, and it still got him in those circles. I don't have the money for mine to go there, and I'd be hesitant because of the heavy drinking. It has as good a reputation as the academics. But, from a career future perspective, if I could foot private schools and connections, and post graduate professional degree acceptances (law school, med-school, engineering, etc., networking) I'd have him looking at Sewanee, Freed-Hardeman (My Alma Mater), Milligan (they actually have engineering), and TTU. His interest has swayed 180 degrees from Computer engineering/Cyber Security type degree to Ag Science. He's doing the free two years at Vol State, and my wife just got back on at TnTech, so he will finish there with a total collegiate bill of probably under $16 grand. And TTU has the second highest average starting salaries in the state behind Vandy. I can't complain about the good fortune of her landing a job back at Tech. He's been a good kid and well disciplined, and he and his friends appear to have avoided the party scenes.

Back in the mid-80's if you were pre-med at FHU, you most likely were headed to Memphis to finish out. The med school admissions lady then all but said point blank that the first thing she did with an application was look to see where you did your undergrad. If it was FHU, it was automatic admittance. In those days FHU had about a 97% post professional acceptance rate.

 

[GVF]

I have a niece and nephew who graduated from there. Since we live 25 miles from there, they would often come for visits, meals, etc. That's about as first hand as it gets. Yes, there are great parties there.

My first wife was from down the highway at South Pitt. I ventured off the exit a couple times to see the campus. It's always had quite the rep as a campus. However, I am not one that fancies the drive over Monteagle. Especially in winter. Or anywhere near a semi coming down from the top.

 

[RockyTop85]

Just a minute there, Sparky and let's recall your initial post:


Obviously, Shilts - gay reporter & historian, friend, and biographer of Milk - is none of those things. So, not only is the case of 16 y.o. MD runaway Jack McKinley not an "unsubstantiated accusation", no one takes umbrage with it or his writings re: Milk's preoccupation with teenagers and young men. McKinley alone fills the prescription for Milk as pederast. Full stop.

"McKinley had lived with O’Horgan for only a few weeks when he came in one day to announce that a handsome businessman twice his age was vying for his affection.

O’Horgan dismissed the news, thinking Jack was trying to make him jealous. He was relieved when the suitor materialized, since he was already worried that the sixteen-year-old McKinley was looking for some kind of father figure. If Jack was indeed dangling the new boyfriend merely to tempt O’Horgan’s devotion, Jack had vastly underestimated his new pursuer’s tenacity.

Within a few weeks, McKinley moved into Harvey Milk’s Upper West Side apartment. They bought a dog they named Trick, a cat they called Trade, and settled into a middle-class domestic marriage. At thirty-three, Milk was launching a new life, though he could hardly have imagined the unlikely direction toward which his new lover would pull him." -- Again, Milk - 33 yo; McKinley - 16 yo. The Mayor of Castro Street: The Life and Times of Harvey Milk by Randy Shilts Pdf Read Online

Dols talks about his association with Milk here: Gerard Dols, self-proclaimed "Boy from Minnesota" in Milk biopic, weighs in on Rev. Ryan Muehlhauser pray-away-gay sex assaults - Bluestem Prairie (about 60% down the page) I don't see that he ever met Milk but states he spoke with Milk a handful of times and was sent a plane ticket 10 days before his 18th birthday. He says Anne Kronenberg called him and told him not to come because Jack Lira, Milk's current boyfriend had just killed himself the night before; Dols says he had spoken with him that night. He flew to LA instead and was put up by gay activist and Milk friend Don Amador. Months later, Milk was killed.

Please, don't relent pretending on my account. Again, where did I "tacitly endorse murder"? Right; you leapt to that conclusion, and that I'm a neo-Nazi subscribing homophobe. Atta' boy, slugger. I'd bet "Objection! - wild-eyed speculation" and "Sustained" haunt your sleep, don't they?

That’s a lot of bluster that boils down to this: you misrepresented the Dols situation to imply a relationship or at least a motive that never even existed; and
your belief that he deserved to be killed is based on just one allegation.

You’re a regular Buzz Lightyear, faceplanting with style.

 

[Rasputin_Vol]

Morons...we are literally being led by morons

That's not moronic. It's just mendacious.

 

[AM64]

My co-worker has been around Nashville for along time. It seems to be a thing if your looking into construction or business/finance. There's apparently a pretty decent sized circle of alum in the Nashville area. One of his went there and transferred out, but he went there, and it still got him in those circles. I don't have the money for mine to go there, and I'd be hesitant because of the heavy drinking. It has as good a reputation as the academics. But, from a career future perspective, if I could foot private schools and connections, and post graduate professional degree acceptances (law school, med-school, engineering, etc., networking) I'd have him looking at Sewanee, Freed-Hardeman (My Alma Mater), Milligan (they actually have engineering), and TTU. His interest has swayed 180 degrees from Computer engineering/Cyber Security type degree to Ag Science. He's doing the free two years at Vol State, and my wife just got back on at TnTech, so he will finish there with a total collegiate bill of probably under $16 grand. And TTU has the second highest average starting salaries in the state behind Vandy. I can't complain about the good fortune of her landing a job back at Tech. He's been a good kid and well disciplined, and he and his friends appear to have avoided the party scenes.

Back in the mid-80's if you were pre-med at FHU, you most likely were headed to Memphis to finish out. The med school admissions lady then all but said point blank that the first thing she did with an application was look to see where you did your undergrad. If it was FHU, it was automatic admittance. In those days FHU had about a 97% post professional acceptance rate.

My younger son is a TnTech grad; he wasn't interested in a larger school like UT where his brother and I graduated. TnTech has a good coop program, he took advantage, and had a job waiting at graduation. All in all, he's probably done better in the job and at less real cost than most people graduating from more prestigious schools.

 

[VolStrom]

My younger son is a TnTech grad; he wasn't interested in a larger school like UT where his brother and I graduated. TnTech has a good coop program, he took advantage, and had a job waiting at graduation. All in all, he's probably done better in the job and at less real cost than most people graduating from more prestigious schools.

My last supervisor was a TN Tech grad and the only one that I know that my company ever hired. He was an excellent mechanical engineer and very detailed about every job he did, but absolutely sucked at being a boss and I can't stand the man to this day. In fact he was one of the reasons myself and a couple of others retired when we did.

 

[GVF]

My last supervisor was a TN Tech grad and the only one that I know that my company ever hired. He was an excellent mechanical engineer and very detailed about every job he did, but absolutely sucked at being a boss and I can't stand the man to this day. In fact he was one of the reasons myself and a couple of others retired when we did.

Unfortunately a school can only educate a person. If it's not an inherent trait that needs developing, then yes, many will suck at managing.

 

[GVF]

That's not moronic. It's just mendacious.

OMG !! Don't be a wanna be. Leave those fancy words to Septic. That's his territory.

Besides, when accusing someone of being mendacious, don't sugar coat it. Lay it out there in proper southern terms.

 

[hog88]

My younger son is a TnTech grad; he wasn't interested in a larger school like UT where his brother and I graduated. TnTech has a good coop program, he took advantage, and had a job waiting at graduation. All in all, he's probably done better in the job and at less real cost than most people graduating from more prestigious schools.

TN Tech was the perfect school for our son, he had his pick of job offers when he graduated. Dear daughter was bound and determined to go to UT.

 

[VolStrom]

OMG !! Don't be a wanna be. Leave those fancy words to Septic. That's his territory.

Besides, when accusing someone of being mendacious, don't sugar coat it. Lay it out there in proper southern terms.

I saw that word and didn't know what it meant and didn't have a desire to look it up. Since you commented on it, I was forced to spend 2 minutes of my life searching this word's meaning, reading the meaning and writing this comment.

 

[AM64]

My last supervisor was a TN Tech grad and the only one that I know that my company ever hired. He was an excellent mechanical engineer and very detailed about every job he did, but absolutely sucked at being a boss and I can't stand the man to this day. In fact he was one of the reasons myself and a couple of others retired when we did.

I can't say that I learned anything from engineering that would have taught me how to manage people. I've always thought that liberal arts electives should be stripped and replaced with business courses if you have to take courses outside the School of Engineering. When UT wouldn't let me substitute business courses for non-technical electives, I took economics - a lot of economics - more than enough for a minor if engineering had such a thing. It was as close as you could get to understanding the business world without being allowed to count business courses - I did manage a 5000 level accounting and business law course while in grad school though.

However, if what universities have managed to do in teaching people how to teach is any indicator, they have no business teaching people how to lead and manage either - which may be behind the lack of interest people have in working right now. I've always had the feeling that teaching and leading are something you have intuitively or not and perhaps hone from mentors, and not really something you can teach someone without the inborn instincts. I guess I just don't believe real leaders are made as in taught, and I don't see administrators as leaders - more just someone granted a position of authority.

 

[VolStrom]

I can't say that I learned anything from engineering that would have taught me how to manage people. I've always thought that liberal arts electives should be stripped and replaced with business courses if you have to take courses outside the School of Engineering. When UT wouldn't let me substitute business courses for non-technical electives, I took economics - a lot of economics - more than enough for a minor if engineering had such a thing. It was as close as you could get to understanding the business world without being allowed to count business courses - I did manage a 5000 level accounting and business law course while in grad school though.

However, if what universities have managed to do in teaching people how to teach is any indicator, they have no business teaching people how to lead and manage either - which may be behind the lack of interest people have in working right now. I've always had the feeling that teaching and leading are something you have intuitively or not and perhaps hone from mentors, and not really something you can teach someone without the inborn instincts. I guess I just don't believe real leaders are made as in taught, and I don't see administrators as leaders - more just someone granted a position of authority.

I probably shouldn't have said anything about my former supervisor being from TN Tech because they had nothing to do with his lack of skills of being a manager other than he probably didn't have any kind of management courses. He was rewarded for his good engineering skills with zero thought to his interpersonal skills and knowledge of how to treat people. Unfortunately he was initially placed in a rather low stress position and had it made for several years before he came to my department and got thrown to the wolves. He didn't handle pressure well and didn't think twice about berating someone, and even once called me at home after hours and chewed me out because I didn't follow his mechanical advice about an electrical problem.
Anyway, I once had a Ga Tech engineer tell me that they weren't trained to be engineers, they were trained to be managers. Well let me tell you, they suck at both. See a theme here?

 

[AM64]

I probably shouldn't have said anything about my former supervisor being from TN Tech because they had nothing to do with his lack of skills of being a manager other than he probably didn't have any kind of management courses. He was rewarded for his good engineering skills with zero thought to his interpersonal skills and knowledge of how to treat people. Unfortunately he was initially placed in a rather low stress position and had it made for several years before he came to my department and got thrown to the wolves. He didn't handle pressure well and didn't think twice about berating someone, and even once called me at home after hours and chewed me out because I didn't follow his mechanical advice about an electrical problem.
Anyway, I once had a Ga Tech engineer tell me that they weren't trained to be engineers, they were trained to be managers. Well let me tell you, they suck at both. See a theme here?

Yeah, give engineers a problem and then leave them alone; don't expect them to be social animals. Most of us can handle a fork - maybe not the correct one, and left to ourselves with a job probably won't stab you with it.

 

[Wireless1]

Just one moron of so many in this administration. He’s an incompetent fool, but it’s par for the course.

The Dems are making sure to crash and burn anyone who might be seemingly moderate and attractive as a candidate.

 

[GVF]

I saw that word and didn't know what it meant and didn't have a desire to look it up. Since you commented on it, I was forced to spend 2 minutes of my life searching this word's meaning, reading the meaning and writing this comment.

TBO, It chewed at me just enough to look it up, and when I saw what it meant (cause throwing words like that around is so Septic) it made me chuckle and I just had to throw up that reply.

 

[CagleMtnVol]

About 200,000 shipping containers stranded off California coast in supply-chain pandemic disruptions

It's a good thing that California isn't in a hurricane prone area.

 

[GVF]

I can't say that I learned anything from engineering that would have taught me how to manage people. I've always thought that liberal arts electives should be stripped and replaced with business courses if you have to take courses outside the School of Engineering. When UT wouldn't let me substitute business courses for non-technical electives, I took economics - a lot of economics - more than enough for a minor if engineering had such a thing. It was as close as you could get to understanding the business world without being allowed to count business courses - I did manage a 5000 level accounting and business law course while in grad school though.

However, if what universities have managed to do in teaching people how to teach is any indicator, they have no business teaching people how to lead and manage either - which may be behind the lack of interest people have in working right now. I've always had the feeling that teaching and leading are something you have intuitively or not and perhaps hone from mentors, and not really something you can teach someone without the inborn instincts. I guess I just don't believe real leaders are made as in taught, and I don't see administrators as leaders - more just someone granted a position of authority.

That's the kicker. there is nothing in any major that can teach you to lead. You can learn textbook scenario's and resolutions, etc. After my MBA I got a job with a textile company in my hometown. Starting as a shift supervisor in training. Didn't take long to learn how little you learn in college, and who makes things happen. I spent my first two weeks sweeping floors. I spent 10 months learning to run every job in the plant. Then it took a 5 minute talk for my boos to send me on to my shift. (we had weekly chats where he imparted wisdom about managing people, but not how to do it). His final prep..."You spent 10 months learning how long it should take someone to do their job tasks so that you will know if they're pulling the wool over you're eyes. My 8 hours are up and I'm going home. Don't call me unless the roof is already burned off. What you start learning tonight, I can't teach you. If you do something wrong, I'll fix your A** tomorrow when you come in. And one more thing. Those are my people you are looking after for me tonight. In case you think you mean something, let 2 or 3 be out and see who gets things done around here."

Didn't work for a better manager than him for another 12 years. Everything I ever learned about managing people came from him, the rest came from the only one that surpassed him.

 

[Franklin Pierce]

 

[Wireless1]

It's a good thing that California isn't in a hurricane prone area.

Just think all those ships, emptying their bilges, burning diesel to keep generators running, off the sunny beaches

 

[GVF]

TN Tech was the perfect school for our son, he had his pick of job offers when he graduated. Dear daughter was bound and determined to go to UT.

My nephew did his first year at Tech in Engineering. Didn't adjust well and went to Kennesaw State. When they came up we went to campus with them. It was January, and all the graduating seniors for the spring had already accepted offers. Companies were calling them looking for upcoming grads to interview and hire. They had none to give them. Cool thing about Tech, is if you live out of state within 250 miles of campus you get a greatly reduced out of state tuition.

 

[AM64]

It's a good thing that California isn't in a hurricane prone area.

Yeah, but CA does have a problem with oil pipelines on the seabed and container ship anchors.

 

[PEPPERJAX]

Yeah, but CA does have a problem with oil pipelines on the seabed and container ship anchors.

People in CA are destroying the environment.