Peyton Manning

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#28
With respect to the Peyton vs. Eli argument, Eli has become an exceptional clutch player. However, he does not elevate the overall play of his teammates to the extent that Peyton does.

The regular season performance of the two Giants teams that won Super Bowls was almost laughable. Didn't they finish 9-7 and enter the playoffs as a wildcard both times? They simply got hot at the right time and, in the process, beat the Patriots. Were Eli and the Giants better than Brady and the Patriots? No and no. They won the games when they were played, however.

Under Eli's leadership, the Giants have never demonstrated anything like the consistency that Peyton did with the Colts and is beginning to do with the Broncos. The Giants don't appear likely anytime soon to put together a 14-2 or 15-1 regular season. Peyton, on the other hand, could become the first quarterback in NFL history to lead two different franchises to Super Bowl victories. Not as great as Montana, Young, or Brady? I don't buy it or the theory that measures QBs exclusively by the number of championship rings they win. Those quarterbacks have historically had a better supporting cast on defense. Even Marino couldn't singlehandedly win a Super Bowl.
 
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Big Orange Junky said:
Peyton only played them 3 times, not 4 like his detractors like to claim.

He can't help other peoples turnovers/fumbles etc.

Peyton usually played good enough to win, he just didn't have a defense that could stop Florida and during that time Florida did get some very fluke turnovers that helped them.

One was a batted pass that didn't land on the ground, it landed in the belly of a Florida Dlineman who had just been pancake blocked. No kiddin. Just fell out of the sky into the arms of a guy that had gotten his butt kicked. Jay started the flood one year just dropping the ball for no reason after he had a first down. No hit on the ball, just dropped it after he was 5 yards past the LOS and making a cut, it bounced up to a defender streaking the other way for a TD. Things like that happened almost every UF game. Turnovers not from great plays/good hits etc but just plain old dumb luck. They had some from good plays too but man did they ever have some strange good luck bounces.

I think Peyton had one game that wasn't as good, but I am pretty sure his stats in 2 of them were more than good enough to win. His defense was just giving up 60 points a game LOL.
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To those remarks, I would add that Spurrier's true period of dominance coincided with Danny Wuerffel's tenure as quarterback. Wuerffel was an absolutely perfect fit for Spurrier's system. After he departed, Florida remained a most formidable foe but they were no longer the nearly invincible machine that they had been during the Wuerffel era.
 
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My reasoning is free-agency and salary caps! The season following the Colts Superbowl victory the team was split up with only a core remaining and then your draft status is at the bottom. As stated earlier the D was not up to par. The days of players staying their whole career as a team is over, and that is one thing I don't like about the NFL. Imagine television if every few seasons all the actors had to be scrambled to different roles on different shows?! Hard to watch.
 
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Peyton had two problems in college. First he was a great QB but he really didn't come out of his shell as an elite QB until he got into the NFL. Second, his senior year our DEF was not the caliber DEF it was the year after he left.

In the NFL the biggest problem has always been the Colts never had the Dominate DEF they needed to be awesome. Only a year or two have they ever had a decent DEF. Thats all Peyton ever really needed.
 
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Titans4Vols said:
He's great.

Not on the Montana/Young/Brady level, but great none the less.
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You're on crack. Peyton is twice the qb Brady is. Brady benefits from the system he plays in and the D of the Pats.

Peyton was not surrounded by a quality D with the Colts. They had a few good players but little else. Their secondary, with the exception of Sanders for a short time, was awful. If he had had a quality D when he was in his prime, he would probably would have 1-2 more rings.

Peyton's numbers put him right up there with Montana and Young. Nostalgia greatly helps Montana and Young, which is why some put them above Peyton. I'd put Peyton's career stats against theirs any time. SB Rings don't measure the greatness of a QB. Lest we forget, football is a team sport. If your QB is great and your D sucks, that's not on the QB.
 
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jakez4ut said:
Peyton was great. Except against florida. Played tight and turned the ball over too much. I was spoiled. I was at ut from 94-97....we just showed up knowing we were going to win 10 every year...this decade not so nice to you youngsters.....
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Manning played against Florida 3 times (95-97).
The scores of those games are as follows:
'95: 37-62.
'96: 29-35.
'97: 20-33

1995 (in Gainesville), Manning would have had to score 63 points to win. Clearly, Florida simply had a better team.

1996, The Manning-led offense scored 29 points on a defense that won the national championship. Can't ask for more than that. This is also the year Wuerffel won the Heisman.

1997 (in Gainesville) is really the only year Manning can be blamed, yet he still would have had to lead the offense to 34 points on the #1 ranked team at the time.

The defense is clearly the biggest reason for their losses. Yet despite the fact that they gave up an average of over 43 points per game, people always blame Manning.

In 1998, UT won 20-17. If the defense held Florida to 17 points during ANY of the 3 years Manning faced them, they would have won. UT's defense was simply a higher caliber in 1998 than any of the 3 years that Manning faced Florida.
 
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thehardknoxlife said:
I'll give you 5 reasons why Manning never won a NC.

'95 Florida (played in bowl vs NC Nebraska)
'96 Florida (NC)/Memphis
'97 Nebraska/Michigan (Co NC)

When a game is down to one possession, I'll take Peyton over anyone. There is a reason he has more game winning drives than anyone else.
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In 1995, UT played against (and beat) Ohio State/Heisman Trophy Winner Eddie George in the Citrus Bowl.

UT played Nebraska (and got stomped) in the 1997 Orange Bowl.
 
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Big Orange Junky said:
Peyton only played them 3 times, not 4 like his detractors like to claim.

He can't help other peoples turnovers/fumbles etc.

Peyton usually played good enough to win, he just didn't have a defense that could stop Florida and during that time Florida did get some very fluke turnovers that helped them.

One was a batted pass that didn't land on the ground, it landed in the belly of a Florida Dlineman who had just been pancake blocked. No kiddin. Just fell out of the sky into the arms of a guy that had gotten his butt kicked. Jay started the flood one year just dropping the ball for no reason after he had a first down. No hit on the ball, just dropped it after he was 5 yards past the LOS and making a cut, it bounced up to a defender streaking the other way for a TD. Things like that happened almost every UF game. Turnovers not from great plays/good hits etc but just plain old dumb luck. They had some from good plays too but man did they ever have some strange good luck bounces.

I think Peyton had one game that wasn't as good, but I am pretty sure his stats in 2 of them were more than good enough to win. His defense was just giving up 60 points a game LOL.
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I also distinctly remember a game (I believe in '95 during the downpour) when Manning threw a pass that hit his receiver in the head because he didn't get his head around. Care to guess the result? That's right, an INT.

Looking at stat sheets rarely tell the true story of a game. Manning played f'n great. Other people choked, and he gets the blame. God forbid they actually watch the games to see what really happened.
 
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give_him 6 said:
If Jim Caldwell had not been the coach for the 2nd Super Bowl and Tony Dungy was still there, he would have had 2. Caldwell was a lousy HC in college and had no business being the Colts HC. Peyton might still get another. Anything can happen in the playoffs.
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Caldwell screwed up pulling Peyton in the third quarter of their next to last regular season game. Screwed up any chance of an undefeated season...which IMO mattered to Peyton, and Caldwell should have realized that. Peyton doesn't EVER want to come out of the game. Didn't want to at UT even.
 
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ChattanoogaVols said:
In 1998, UT won 20-17. If the defense held Florida to 17 points during ANY of the 3 years Manning faced them, they would have won. UT's defense was simply a higher caliber in 1998 than any of the 3 years that Manning faced Florida.
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Chavis finally figured out not to rush just 3 down linemen on 3rd and long against Florida in 1998, but it was a few years too late.
 
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Peyton was good, but man, did he ever turn the ball over alot. Especially against Florida. But he was a Good college qb. IMHO, Heath Shuler was the best qb I ever saw at UT(remember I go back to Maxwell). I also liked Jimmy Colquitt as well, NCAA really screwed that guy, he should have been given another year of eligability.

Between Peyton and Eli.....Not even close....I would take Eli in a minute over Peyton. He just dont turn ball over in key situations. People can talk about what they have around them all they want. In key situations, Eli does his team less harm. That's why Eli has 2 super bowl rings, both against a team that has always givin Peyton fits, The New England Patriots. No Brainer IMHO.....
 
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Plain and simple, we (noticed I said we) couldn't beat Florida. If Peyton had the defense we had NC year, he probably would have had one too.
 
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douglas67 said:
Peyton was good, but man, did he ever turn the ball over alot. Especially against Florida. But he was a Good college qb. IMHO, Heath Shuler was the best qb I ever saw at UT(remember I go back to Maxwell). I also liked Jimmy Colquitt as well, NCAA really screwed that guy, he should have been given another year of eligability
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He has one of the lowest career int %'s ever. He threw 33 picks in his college career. That is excellent.
 
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NoCompetition2 said:
He is the greatest QB in UT history, and could be the greatest NFL QB ever when it is all said & done. I just wanted to get some opinions from Volnation about Peyton & the big games. Skip Bayless calles him the best regular season QB ever. Why do you guys think he has only won 1 ring, and never got the NC in college? I was a young kid during those days & watched UT football, but wasnt really into it like I am now mainly because of age. Sadly most of the years that I have been going to Neyland Stadium it hasnt been pretty. I have never seen us beat UGA, UF, or Bama in person. Better days are coming though, and I will be there until they do! Anyways back to the subject..Was it more about the team we had instead of him coming up short? The year after he left we won the NC. That just seems crazy to me. I have watched him dominate in the NFL. He makes it look so easy. Its really amazing. When I watch him play I just cant believe that he hasnt won about 5 rings yet. Also my brother that is on volnation and is a Vols fan says he would take Eli right now over Peyton. I have done everything I can to prove my point, but cant get it across. I applaud Eli for everything he has done, but for one game I am taking Peyton all day! Just look at the stats. Anyone else agree with me?
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Peyton Manning is without a doubt the greatest QB of all time.
 
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ChattanoogaVols said:
Manning played against Florida 3 times (95-97).
The scores of those games are as follows:
'95: 37-62.
'96: 29-35.
'97: 20-33

1995 (in Gainesville), Manning would have had to score 63 points to win. Clearly, Florida simply had a better team.

1996, The Manning-led offense scored 29 points on a defense that won the national championship. Can't ask for more than that. This is also the year Wuerffel won the Heisman.

1997 (in Gainesville) is really the only year Manning can be blamed, yet he still would have had to lead the offense to 34 points on the #1 ranked team at the time.

The defense is clearly the biggest reason for their losses. Yet despite the fact that they gave up an average of over 43 points per game, people always blame Manning.

In 1998, UT won 20-17. If the defense held Florida to 17 points during ANY of the 3 years Manning faced them, they would have won. UT's defense was simply a higher caliber in 1998 than any of the 3 years that Manning faced Florida.
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1996 Peyton threw 4 INT's against Florida, all in the first half I believe, we almost came back and won that game.

1997 Peyton threw 2 INT's which virtually put us out of that game. Not to mention that colossal goat ****ing we took in the Orange Bowl in 97.
 
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ChattanoogaVols said:
He has one of the lowest career int %'s ever. He threw 33 picks in his college career. That is excellent.
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Use the whole quote Man.....It's not how many you throw, it's when throw them. I later said Eli is better in clutch sitiuations. Peyton threw 6 int's against Florida in 96-97, all 6 int's lost us the game. He really didnt play well against Nebraska either.
 
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Wii60 said:
What do rings have to do with anything?
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EVERYTHING!! To me, you can have stats like Bradshaw, But 4 rings is where it is at. Stats like Aikmen, 3 rings, Stats Like Starr, 2 rings. You can be the greatest ever, but you better have the rings to back it up.
 
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douglas67 said:
Young has more SB rings. Young was a Beast. Greatest Left handed QB ever, Boy could run too.
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Young was the luckiest qb ever. He played with one of the moist talented teams of all time. Half the niners starters are in the hof. He should've won more. And, he never played a team worth anything in the SB. I love young but he is not comparable.
 
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