Peyton's Last Game might be today so watch.

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jps2194 said:
He's the 3rd QB to reach the SB with two teams. Kurt Warner with Rams and Cardinals (won one, lost one) and a 70's QB that escapes me who played for Broncos and someone else (lost both).
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Craig Morton...lost for the Cowboys...and against them.
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TNnative said:
As usual, the winner during their playoff matches had home field advantage. Manning doesn't own Brady, and Brady does not own Manning. They are two great competitors on two great teams. I am proud of Peyton, and happy he can be the first QB to win a Super Bowl for two different teams. But keep it real.
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Just having a little fun. Manning is 2 for 3 in the AFC championship game against Brady. So, technically, Manning is > Brady when it counts. :)
 
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Brady is a great QB no doubt but that game just proved:

Brady without Belichick = not much IMO (together they have been pretty awesome)
Brady without awesome team around him = not much

Peyton does pretty much his own coaching at the Oline (when Talib went out, he pretty much instantly started picking apart that weakness)
Peyton on a team with a solid defense = probably 3-4 SB rings
If the Colts had ever had a defensive game to match the level of their receivers, Peyton would likely already have a record number of SB trips.
 
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Gandalf said:
Brady is a great QB no doubt but that game just proved:

Brady without Belichick = not much IMO (together they have been pretty awesome)
Brady without awesome team around him = not much

Peyton does pretty much his own coaching at the Oline (when Talib went out, he pretty much instantly started picking apart that weakness)
Peyton on a team with a solid defense = probably 3-4 SB rings
If the Colts had ever had a defensive game to match the level of their receivers, Peyton would likely already have a record number of SB trips.
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I've been on Peyton's side in this whole Brady vs. Manning debate - but I can certainly appreciate and recognize Brady is an outstanding QB. Yes, he has probably the best coach in the NFL and has been blessed with great defenses. However, you do not have the success they've had without Brady. Come on man, he is one of the all time greats. Would Peyton had his success had he played for the Pats, sure. But that doesn't take away what Brady is/has been doing for a long time. He's a fierce competitor with a great arm and a knack for savvy comebacks. To say he isn't much without Belechick is ridiculous IMHO.

They are both great QB's - but I'll take Peyton because I just love the guy. Football aside, he's a fantastic individual and is hilarious. Oh yeah, he's a former VOL too.
 
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jps2194 said:
I've been on Peyton's side in this whole Brady vs. Manning debate - but I can certainly appreciate and recognize Brady is an outstanding QB. Yes, he has probably the best coach in the NFL and has been blessed with great defenses. However, you do not have the success they've had without Brady. Come on man, he is one of the all time greats. Would Peyton had his success had he played for the Pats, sure. But that doesn't take away what Brady is/has been doing for a long time. He's a fierce competitor with a great arm and a knack for savvy comebacks. To say he isn't much without Belechick is ridiculous IMHO.

They are both great QB's - but I'll take Peyton because I just love the guy. Football aside, he's a fantastic individual and is hilarious. Oh yeah, he's a former VOL too.
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Patriots w/out Tom Brady in 2008 - 11-5
Colts w/out Peyton Manning in 2011- 2-14....
 
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jwp1223 said:
Patriots w/out Tom Brady in 2008 - 11-5
Colts w/out Peyton Manning in 2011- 2-14....
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Yep - that's been debated endlessly on here. But, does that mean Brady is not a great QB?

I get he's a product of a great system and coach, but that doesn't take away the fact he is a great QB. I'm not referring to his records only, I'm referring to the way he plays the game, throws the ball, orchestrates comebacks, etc.

IMHO, Peyton is better, but some on here act like Brady is a complete bust and isn't deserving at all of being in the HOF someday. I just think that is ridiculous.
 
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So if Peyton wins the SB how will the haters discredit it?

FTR he is now 3-1 in the AFCCG.
 
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burntorangeVOLffle said:
When he was 1-2 vs Brady in the playoffs it got mentioned plenty. Now they are tied at 2-2 with Manning taking the edge in the CG.
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He hasn't lost to Brady in the playoffs in tens years. It can also be said that Brady hasn't beat Manning in the playoffs for ten years. Brady piled up a lot of meaningless regular season wins in the early 2000's but when it matters (the AFC title game) Manning has won 2/3's of those match-ups.:hi:
 
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jps2194 said:
I've been on Peyton's side in this whole Brady vs. Manning debate - but I can certainly appreciate and recognize Brady is an outstanding QB. Yes, he has probably the best coach in the NFL and has been blessed with great defenses. However, you do not have the success they've had without Brady. Come on man, he is one of the all time greats. Would Peyton had his success had he played for the Pats, sure. But that doesn't take away what Brady is/has been doing for a long time. He's a fierce competitor with a great arm and a knack for savvy comebacks. To say he isn't much without Belechick is ridiculous IMHO.

They are both great QB's - but I'll take Peyton because I just love the guy. Football aside, he's a fantastic individual and is hilarious. Oh yeah, he's a former VOL too.
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Dont get me wrong - Brady+Belichick is one of the best QB/coach combos ever to hit the field. But Brady would never have gotten the opportunity to be where he is but for him being in the right place at the right time. Peyton would almost unquestionably have more wins if he had been on some other team than the Colts during his earlier years. You cant say that of Brady. Brady is enormously talented though and not being Peyton is no strike on him.
 
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jps2194 said:
He's the 3rd QB to reach the SB with two teams. Kurt Warner with Rams and Cardinals (won one, lost one) and Craig Morton who played for Broncos and Cowboys (lost both).
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Actually, Kurt Warner has been in three Super Bowls, winning one, loosing one with the Rams, and the one with the Cardinals.

On topic, even if this is Peyton's last season, depending on how the March physical exam goes, at least he will be going out on a somewhat high note. Being in his third Super Bowl, hopefully getting his second win, and a great improvement on his overall playing record and stats.

Even if he doesn't get a coaching job, I wonder what the odds are that the Broncos or even the Colts might offer him some office Vice President or assistant GM job or something, sort of like John Elway's current VP job with the Broncos.
 
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thebjd said:
Pot is re-stirred.
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Not at all. Peyton is the GOAT and playing for SB while gator heisman winning qb's (who played against him as well as the more recent one) are retired against their will because not good enough for NFL. They will be in the somewhere in the booth as commentators talking about Peyton during SB (if they are lucky to get that assignment).
 
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TGVol said:
Not at all. Peyton is the GOAT and playing for SB while gator heisman winning qb's (who played against him as well as the more recent one) are retired against their will because not good enough for NFL. They will be in the somewhere in the booth as commentators talking about Peyton during SB (if they are lucky to get that assignment).
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:salute:
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ChattaVoll said:
Actually, Kurt Warner has been in three Super Bowls, winning one, loosing one with the Rams, and the one with the Cardinals.

On topic, even if this is Peyton's last season, depending on how the March physical exam goes, at least he will be going out on a somewhat high note. Being in his third Super Bowl, hopefully getting his second win, and a great improvement on his overall playing record and stats.

Even if he doesn't get a coaching job, I wonder what the odds are that the Broncos or even the Colts might offer him some office Vice President or assistant GM job or something, sort of like John Elway's current VP job with the Broncos.
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*lewsing
Can we bump this thread every time Peyton plays in another game?
 
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#198
Looks like peyton's potential last game will be his worst since when lost to Florida when he played here.
 
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What a nightmare...started on the first play. never a good sign when you give up a safety on the first play of the super bowl...and downhill from there. Sad for PM and the team--too good a year to have it end like this.
 
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